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[The Unfallen]

GodWood wrote...

That Yellow Bastard wrote...
After watching the VGA Trailer for ME 3, I am presented with a grim thought in my mind, in which the war-torn Commander is presented with a choice, to save Humanity, or the entire Galaxy.

Entire galaxy meaning, all the other races except humanity, right?

Yerp

[CmdrKankrelat]

Related to the above, following the save humanity/save the galaxy choice, there could be two after-the-end endings:

(1) Shepard is offered humanity's seat on the Citadel Council in recognition of his/her titanic efforts. This would be a publically-spirited Paragon or rabidly pro-human Renegade Shepard's dream. In this case, however, you'd have to cut things off with your LI, since you'll be too busy attending to the galaxy's needs to raise a family. Your heart and soul, in other words, will be in public affairs.

(2) Shepard goes the Jon Grissom route (see ME: Revelation for details), retires and settles down with his/her LI (assuming they survive) to a nice colony and either have or adopt children.  Spacer Shepard could introduce his/her LI to his/her mother (assuming the Orizaba, Mama Shepard's ship, survives the events of ME3).  Extra laughs if she's shocked her son/daughter brings home an alien! 

If someone notices this post, thoughts?

Modifié par CmdrKankrelat, 12 décembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[krol146]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Related to the above, following the save humanity/save the galaxy choice, there could be two after-the-end endings:

(1) Shepard is offered humanity's seat on the Citadel Council in recognition of his/her titanic efforts. This would be a publically-spirited Paragon or rabidly pro-human Renegade Shepard's dream. In this case, however, you'd have to cut things off with your LI, since you'll be too busy attending to the galaxy's needs to raise a family. Your heart and soul, in other words, will be in public affairs.

(2) Shepard goes the Jon Grissom route (see ME: Revelation for details), retires and settles down with his/her LI (assuming they survive) to a nice colony and either have or adopt children.

If someone notices this post, thoughts?

Not bad, but youre lacking option 3. Stay Spectre and keep kicking ass. LI optional.

[CmdrKankrelat]

krol146 wrote...

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Related to the above, following the save humanity/save the galaxy choice, there could be two after-the-end endings:

(1) Shepard is offered humanity's seat on the Citadel Council in recognition of his/her titanic efforts. This would be a publically-spirited Paragon or rabidly pro-human Renegade Shepard's dream. In this case, however, you'd have to cut things off with your LI, since you'll be too busy attending to the galaxy's needs to raise a family. Your heart and soul, in other words, will be in public affairs.

(2) Shepard goes the Jon Grissom route (see ME: Revelation for details), retires and settles down with his/her LI (assuming they survive) to a nice colony and either have or adopt children.

If someone notices this post, thoughts?

Not bad, but youre lacking option 3. Stay Spectre and keep kicking ass. LI optional.

Excellent point!  That would even give us a perfect Paragon-Neutral-Renegade response set-up:

CAPTAIN ANDERSON: Shepard, now that the Reapers have been defeated, what do you want to do?
DIALOGUE WHEEL:
- Paragon: I'll serve on the Council
- Neutral: I'll raise a family
- Renegade: I'll keep being badass!

[Mr. Sniper Rifle]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Related to the above, following the save humanity/save the galaxy choice, there could be two after-the-end endings:

(1) Shepard is offered humanity's seat on the Citadel Council in recognition of his/her titanic efforts. This would be a publically-spirited Paragon or rabidly pro-human Renegade Shepard's dream. In this case, however, you'd have to cut things off with your LI, since you'll be too busy attending to the galaxy's needs to raise a family. Your heart and soul, in other words, will be in public affairs.

(2) Shepard goes the Jon Grissom route (see ME: Revelation for details), retires and settles down with his/her LI (assuming they survive) to a nice colony and either have or adopt children.

If someone notices this post, thoughts?

I don't think Shep would make a good politician.

Now before you go "Wha? Shep has more charisma in a toe than I have in my whole body!" think it through.

Shep's a soldier, a fighter, been through hell and high water and survived because s/he's the ultimate badass who gets things done their own way. Being a Spectre just amplifies it., making their decisions more personal, based on their own internal sense of right and wrong. Save or destroy, help or hurt, they have the choice, and that decision weighs on them (or not at all) becase of who they choosse to be. They're, for lack of a better turn of phrase, a free spirit with a gun and a moral compass.

 Now put someone like that in a political position, where they have to try and deal with "real" politicians for the rest of their lives. How long do you think the goodwill of "I saved the galaxy" would last? A while, depending on the species. Perhaps an asari or krogan lifetime, maybe one or two human, quarian, turian generations. But eventually that will fade, and people will forget what he did. Shepard would eventually snap, I think.

But I can see Shepard either:

a) retiring from active service, and starting a new life with their LI.
working for the rest of their life a Spectre, helping to repair the damage the Reapers did to the galaxy at large on the "ground floor" if you will.

[CmdrKankrelat]

Mr. Sniper Rifle wrote...

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

Related to the above, following the save humanity/save the galaxy choice, there could be two after-the-end endings:

(1) Shepard is offered humanity's seat on the Citadel Council in recognition of his/her titanic efforts. This would be a publically-spirited Paragon or rabidly pro-human Renegade Shepard's dream. In this case, however, you'd have to cut things off with your LI, since you'll be too busy attending to the galaxy's needs to raise a family. Your heart and soul, in other words, will be in public affairs.

(2) Shepard goes the Jon Grissom route (see ME: Revelation for details), retires and settles down with his/her LI (assuming they survive) to a nice colony and either have or adopt children.

If someone notices this post, thoughts?

I don't think Shep would make a good politician.

Now before you go "Wha? Shep has more charisma in a toe than I have in my whole body!" think it through.

Shep's a soldier, a fighter, been through hell and high water and survived because s/he's the ultimate badass who gets things done their own way. Being a Spectre just amplifies it., making their decisions more personal, based on their own internal sense of right and wrong. Save or destroy, help or hurt, they have the choice, and that decision weighs on them (or not at all) becase of who they choosse to be. They're, for lack of a better turn of phrase, a free spirit with a gun and a moral compass.

 Now put someone like that in a political position, where they have to try and deal with "real" politicians for the rest of their lives. How long do you think the goodwill of "I saved the galaxy" would last? A while, depending on the species. Perhaps an asari or krogan lifetime, maybe one or two human, quarian, turian generations. But eventually that will fade, and people will forget what he did. Shepard would eventually snap, I think.

But I can see Shepard either:

a) retiring from active service, and starting a new life with their LI.
working for the rest of their life a Spectre, helping to repair the damage the Reapers did to the galaxy at large on the "ground floor" if you will.

Very nice analysis there, your argument was very eloquent and I definitely see where you're coming from.  I remember that some of the greatest war heroes have made for some of the worst (or just unmemorable) political leaders.  We in the United States had Ulysses S. Grant, heroic general of the Union in the Civil War, as president, and he just got drunk.  After World War II we elected former general Dwight D. Eisenhower, and while his presidency wasn't bad, it wasn't particularly memorable. 

But when you say that the goodwill Shepard receives will last "maybe one or two human, quarian, or turian generations," that's about a century-and-a-half we're talking about here.  How long do you think Shepard will live?  He/she may be an upgraded badass, but I doubt Shepard will out-live two-to-three generations.  The goodwill he/she receives could conceivably last throughout his/her Council service, with great deference given to his/her judgment.  Whether said judgment is good or not is another story for another day. 

I'm just thinking this Council option is a good one for a Paragon or Renegade Shep, since the Paragon is interested in leaving the galaxy a better place than he/she found it in any way possible, be that blasting away another rag-tag merc band or helping a falsely accused quarian in the street.  And Renegade Shep is interested in vigorously promoting human interests, if not securing outright human dominance.  Being on the Council, or being is Chairman/Chairwoman, would be an excellent way to do those. 

Modifié par CmdrKankrelat, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[CmdrKankrelat]

^ Sorry for the wall of text there.

[Weskerr]

As I've already mentioned, I don't think it's possible to save the entire galaxy without also saving Humanity and I think it's just as impossible to only save Humanity without saving the entire galaxy.

Modifié par Weskerr, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Zulu_DFA]

ME3 ending



Shepard to LI/Legion:



No, there is one more chip. [touches his head.] Here, hold this. You must lower me to the steel...

[CmdrKankrelat]

Weskerr wrote...

As I've already mentioned, I don't think it's possible to save the entire galaxy without also saving Humanity, and I think it's just as impossible to only save Humanity and not the whole galaxy.

Agreed, I hope there's a way to do both.  Knowing BioWare though, if we make the right choices, should be manageable!

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Jzadek72 wrote...
                                  The destruction is localised. Is this cinematic liberty, or trying to tell us something. Perhaps Earth is more special than we thought, and they're searching for something in that area.

Well, if they are looking for something, it may be related to the Eletania vision. The vision described the experiences of a "cro-magnon" (which are pretty much physically identical to modern humans) individual. Later on in the vision, it describes the individual experiencing harsh winters. Well, harsh winters probably aren't gonna be happening in Africa or the Middle East, where "cro-magnon" went before Europe. But mid-northern Europe? Yeah, there can be some pretty nasty winters there. America wouldn't have been populated yet, and I believe that human expansion in Asia first spread along the mid-southern potions of the contintent where again winters aren't that harsh in most areas. So if the person from the vision was from mid-northern Europe, it might indicate the Proteans had some interest in that site as well. Maybe the Reapers are looking for the same thing.

Maybe they're looking for the All-Spark. :-P

[ReiSilver]

guys, I'm so worried about this coming out too soon! I mean as a fan I'm happy to get the next instalment quickly but... holidays 2011? What happened to 2012? I just really want this game to be everything it can be, to tie up everything all our different Sheps have done and give justice to all the side characters personal plot lines

so worried o___o

But... wow so excited too, London? Man if anyone can survive a Reaper pounding it's the brits XP

[GottvonHoff]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...


Well, if they are looking for something, it may be related to the Eletania vision. The vision described the experiences of a "cro-magnon" (which are pretty much physically identical to modern humans) individual. Later on in the vision, it describes the individual experiencing harsh winters. Well, harsh winters probably aren't gonna be happening in Africa or the Middle East, where "cro-magnon" went before Europe. But mid-northern Europe? Yeah, there can be some pretty nasty winters there. America wouldn't have been populated yet, and I believe that human expansion in Asia first spread along the mid-southern potions of the contintent where again winters aren't that harsh in most areas. So if the person from the vision was from mid-northern Europe, it might indicate the Proteans had some interest in that site as well. Maybe the Reapers are looking for the same thing.

Maybe they're looking for the All-Spark. :-P

You may have a point. I think I've read somewhere that that particular beacon you've encountered in ME1 is tagged in the save transfer from ME1 or ME2. Maybe the info of you activating it would pass over to ME3?

[GnusmasTHX]

Obviously they want the game out before the world ends.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ME3 ending

Shepard to LI/Legion:

No, there is one more chip. [touches his head.] Here, hold this. You must lower me to the steel...

Sheppard to a tearful LI/Legion:

*Gives a thumb up as the molten steel rises above his head*

Cue Terminator theme:

de-ne-ne-neh, de-neh... de-ne-ne-neh, de-NEH...

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:37 .

[Snowraptor]

@Jzadek72 it was already adressed on the mass effect 3 cover art on ea store section that the game is about uniting the galaxy to fight back for earth, so no, it is not going to take place in london, its just a video to catch our eyes of the reapers first attack on our galaxy, and they seem to want humans out of the way first.

[TuringPoint]

Saving humanity vs saving all the other races is, sadly, a tough choice. Although I think there would still be a few left of a given race that died off, so they could rebuild - but it would take a long time. I also don't think the Reapers could work quickly enough to make us have to choose between our race and all the others, but eh... still an interesting concept.

Also, that destruction covers an entire continent.  In spots, probably the big cities mentioned in the trailer.  Keep in mind that most of the world is ocean.  So if that's North America... maybe we're just not seeing the other half of the world at the right angle.

Modifié par Alocormin, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[CmdrKankrelat]

ReiSilver wrote...

guys, I'm so worried about this coming out too soon! I mean as a fan I'm happy to get the next instalment quickly but... holidays 2011? What happened to 2012? I just really want this game to be everything it can be, to tie up everything all our different Sheps have done and give justice to all the side characters personal plot lines
so worried o___o
But... wow so excited too, London? Man if anyone can survive a Reaper pounding it's the brits XP

I've heard on these forums that ME3 has been in development since before ME2, so they've given themselves 2+ years to work on it with a late-2011 release date.  I hope that allays some of your fears.

And I agree - the British have enough pluck to soldier out a Reaper invasion!
"We shall go on to the end.  We shall fight on Thessia.  We shall fight in the air and on the ground.  We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the Attican Traverse!  We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.  We shall fight on Bekenstein.  We shall fight on the Citadel.  We shall fight on the plains of Mars, and at the mass relays.  We shall fight on Luna.  We shall never surrender!  And if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it, is indoctrinated and blendered to become Reaper chow, then our asari, turian, and salarian allies, beyond the Charon Relay, armed and guarded by the Citadel Fleets, will carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, Shepard rides forth with a hardened squad of war-forged badasses, firing a Thanix canon from the hip, with all his power and might, for the liberation of our island home." - Zombie Winston Churchill, brought back by Cerberus to make sure the British don't run out of pluck.  

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Would anyone be up for the classic ride off into the sunset ending for Shepard?



After the bloody struggle ends Commander Shepard, with or without his LI or crew, goes off to parts unknown. Depending on the ending the Normandy may go off and continue its galavanting around the galaxy doing good, or villany. Or if we lose the Normandy Shep feels compelled to attone for the sacrafice his crew made, or goes off and starts his own Merc band.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^I'd be up for some Blue Oyster Cult in ME3

I got a disease... and the only cure is more COWBELL-err.. SHEPPARD-no, uh... SUNSET!




Actually, my Shep is probably gonna settle down, get married and have lots of little blue children... either that or some bizarre misshappen bubble-born Human/Quarian spawn

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[Weskerr]

CmdrKankrelat wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

guys, I'm so worried about this coming out too soon! I mean as a fan I'm happy to get the next instalment quickly but... holidays 2011? What happened to 2012? I just really want this game to be everything it can be, to tie up everything all our different Sheps have done and give justice to all the side characters personal plot lines
so worried o___o
But... wow so excited too, London? Man if anyone can survive a Reaper pounding it's the brits XP

I've heard on these forums that ME3 has been in development since before ME2, so they've given themselves 2+ years to work on it with a late-2011 release date.  I hope that allays some of your fears.

And I agree - the British have enough pluck to soldier out a Reaper invasion!
"We shall go on to the end.  We shall fight on Thessia.  We shall fight in the air and on the ground.  We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the Attican Traverse!  We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.  We shall fight on Bekenstein.  We shall fight on the Citadel.  We shall fight on the plains of Mars, and at the mass relays.  We shall fight on Luna.  We shall never surrender!  And if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it, is indoctrinated and blendered to become Reaper chow, then our asari, turian, and salarian allies, beyond the Charon Relay, armed and guarded by the Citadel Fleets, will carry on the struggle, until in God's good time, Shepard rides forth with a hardened squad of war-forged badasses, firing a Thanix canon from the hip, with all his power and might, for the liberation of our island home." - Zombie Winston Churchill, brought back by Cerberus to make sure the British don't run out of pluck.  

Haha

[CroGamer002]

This trailer is bloody amazing!


Countdown has started to save the Earth!

[Zulu_DFA]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ME3 ending

Shepard to LI/Legion:

No, there is one more chip. [touches his head.] Here, hold this. You must lower me to the steel...

Sheppard to a tearful LI/Legion:

*Gives a thumb up as the molten steel rises above his head*

Cue Terminator theme:

de-ne-ne-neh, de-neh... de-ne-ne-neh, de-NEH...

- Please, don't go, Shepard-Commnader! Stay with us!.. We order you not to!!!

- I am sorry, Legion. I have to go.

[Players: [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]]

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:19 .

[szkasypcze]

Why the thread author says Shepard is looking at the Earth?? How do you know that??