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[rasblak]

Surely Shepard won't fail to "bring help".

I'm underwhelmed by the video because "bring help" has a tone of same formula: recruitment, rinse, repeat. Be it of individuals, entire armies by convincing (loyalizing?) their leader. Oh well. I hope I'm wrong.

But, Alaska??... Where did Alaska come from suddenly? When did we last talk about Alaska in Mass Effect?
Heck, I didn't even know there's anybody still *alive* in Alaska man!
The Reapers are attacking Alaska?? Anchorage, of all places??

Modifié par rasblak, 14 décembre 2010 - 09:20 .

[Bio Sil]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

sliverofamoon wrote...

Any word on what "Holiday" they are talking about? Anything at all?

Generally when video game developers say "Holiday Season" they're referring to Christmas time, Mid-December to Early-January.

I'm assuming pre christmas so they can get in on all of the parents buying pesents etc. From a business point of view it'd be a bit stupid to release after christmas
That and it says 2011

[Temtimtom]

Wasn't impressed, to be honest, until I saw Shepard in the teaser.

I, too, share some "fears" with some of the former posters in this thread. In Mass Effect's universe, Earth is next to nothing when we're talking about the general importance (for all species), but I'm sure BioWare will find a way to integrate it as a location for the story.

I also like the hub-world theories here, they are credible enough to have them in the story at the end. But the one thing I'm mostly 'worried' about are the squadmates, when Garrus returned in Mass Effect 2 I was pretty much like: "...this game couldn't get any better, yeah!". I think the majority of the community here would appreciate if both veteran companions and new people join the team.

We'll see about these things in due time, I presume.

Modifié par Temtimtom, 14 décembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Vaenier]

Spuudle wrote...

solstickan wrote...

tg1413 wrote...

On a side note, this may have already been considered, but have you notice how it's only 7 million dead in 1 week? It seems like a lot, but when I think of a fleet of Reaper's attacking a planet I would expect billions to die.

It's 9 million, I believe. But remember that's in London alone. I did some math and found that it would take the reapers aproximately 25 years to kill the entire population of Earth based on this rate. HOWEVER, since we have no idea how many have been killed in total I couldn't count just how many years it would actually take them.

In any case, considering that it took the reapers centuries to wipe out the protheans I would say that 25 years is nothing and that they are wiping us out quite effectively. 

Some seem to have the impression that the Reapers are capable of wiping out planets in an instant? From what I have seen of a Reaper, they have three main tools, husks, indoctrination, and those laser beam weapons so the timescale seems correct to me. Also, I remember reading in the planet descriptions of ME1 and ME2 that the REapers also seem to enjoy Orbital Bombardment (or that some races have been wiped out by an unknown source using this method) so maybe this is to come, and will speed things up? Either way, it does appear from the minute amount of info we have at this time that there only seems to be a handful of reapers attcking Earth at this point?  I just cant wait unitl xmass 2011!!!!

Their technology and numbers mean they can kill a planet in mere minutes if they are taking their time. Orbital bombardment with mass accelerators would destroy the atmosphere, killing all life on the planet. such fire could even crack the planets crust it is so powerful.

Harvest is a slow progress, and because they need humans alive for a stupid reason, they are slowly abducting everyone instead of instant kill.

[rasblak]

Ah! Now I know what irks me with the _content_ of that trailer. Big Time!

I leave it to the 17-year old's to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better.

But who the flux by now knows Shepard, and counts on Shepard to bring help when the shat is
hitting the fan, and yet doesn't fluxing know who The Reapers are?

No.. Seriously, are we being jurked around again here? We've played through 2 parts of the trilogy
and there's still some jokers who don't know who the Reapers are? Who are banking on a previously dead Shepard for their salvation, and yet don't know she was made dead by who?

Modifié par rasblak, 14 décembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[The-Person]

Vaenier wrote...

Spuudle wrote...

solstickan wrote...

tg1413 wrote...

On a side note, this may have already been considered, but have you notice how it's only 7 million dead in 1 week? It seems like a lot, but when I think of a fleet of Reaper's attacking a planet I would expect billions to die.

It's 9 million, I believe. But remember that's in London alone. I did some math and found that it would take the reapers aproximately 25 years to kill the entire population of Earth based on this rate. HOWEVER, since we have no idea how many have been killed in total I couldn't count just how many years it would actually take them.

In any case, considering that it took the reapers centuries to wipe out the protheans I would say that 25 years is nothing and that they are wiping us out quite effectively. 

Some seem to have the impression that the Reapers are capable of wiping out planets in an instant? From what I have seen of a Reaper, they have three main tools, husks, indoctrination, and those laser beam weapons so the timescale seems correct to me. Also, I remember reading in the planet descriptions of ME1 and ME2 that the REapers also seem to enjoy Orbital Bombardment (or that some races have been wiped out by an unknown source using this method) so maybe this is to come, and will speed things up? Either way, it does appear from the minute amount of info we have at this time that there only seems to be a handful of reapers attcking Earth at this point?  I just cant wait unitl xmass 2011!!!!

Their technology and numbers mean they can kill a planet in mere minutes if they are taking their time. Orbital bombardment with mass accelerators would destroy the atmosphere, killing all life on the planet. such fire could even crack the planets crust it is so powerful.

Harvest is a slow progress, and because they need humans alive for a stupid reason, they are slowly abducting everyone instead of instant kill.

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

[Elcirith]

rasblak wrote...

Ah! Now I know what irks me with the _content_ of that trailer. Big Time!

I leave it to the 17-year old's to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better.

But who the flux by now knows Shepard, and counts on Shepard to bring help when the shat is
hitting the fan, and yet doesn't fluxing know who The Reapers are?

No.. Seriously, are we being jurked around again here? We've played through 2 parts of the trilogy
and there's still some jokers who don't know who the Reapers are? Who are banking on a previously dead Shepard for their salvation, and yet don't know she was made dead by who?

Hey! Im 17 and I had the same reaction as you! But, I guess maybe the Council just did a really good job at covering up. Still extremely excited though.

[badmammajamma04]

The-Person wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Their technology and numbers mean they can kill a planet in mere minutes if they are taking their time. Orbital bombardment with mass accelerators would destroy the atmosphere, killing all life on the planet. such fire could even crack the planets crust it is so powerful.

Harvest is a slow progress, and because they need humans alive for a stupid reason, they are slowly abducting everyone instead of instant kill.

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

I'm pretty sure he was incorrect in his statement for just the reason you mentioned.  If we remember everything we've learned through the game events, dialog, and codex then it's easy to piece together that the logistics involved in wiping out one species of sentient life, let alone all of them, is an insurmountable task that would take time.  ..A long time by our standards, but nonetheless a short time for the Reapers.  They would have a system in place.  When to take out communications, how to systematically eliminate all of the colonies, which major planets to hit first...

I think it was an awesome trailer!  Obviously it was meant to introduce this larger-than-life conflict as seen from a narrow perspective:  A random soldier on Earth, just one planet of many, just one species of many.  He has no clue about the big picture that we're familiar with from the first two games.  

On a side note, I'm still against any idea of multiplayer in ME3, but the way they showed this trailer makes me definately believe that this could be a good setting for a separate multiplayer title in the ME universe.  Something separated from Shepard and the galactic struggle and focused more on Earth and our personal struggle against a huge foe.

[edited]...and I have a boner.

Modifié par badmammajamma04, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Vaenier]

The-Person wrote...

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

Killing a planet is super easy, finding all the planets with people on them is hard. there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars, each have any number of planets. do the math. technically, it should be impossible.

Modifié par Vaenier, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[catabuca]

rasblak wrote...

Ah! Now I know what irks me with the _content_ of that trailer. Big Time!

I leave it to the 17-year old's to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better.

But who the flux by now knows Shepard, and counts on Shepard to bring help when the shat is
hitting the fan, and yet doesn't fluxing know who The Reapers are?

No.. Seriously, are we being jurked around again here? We've played through 2 parts of the trilogy
and there's still some jokers who don't know who the Reapers are? Who are banking on a previously dead Shepard for their salvation, and yet don't know she was made dead by who?

Well this 32 yr old thought it was epic too, so why don't you try to not use such emotive language when telling us your opinion and make it about the game and not those who are expressing their happiness.

[vargatom]

Er... starting the trailer with a line like "the Reapers are finally here" would kinda diminish the reveal in the last shot...

[Bio Sil]

Vaenier wrote...

The-Person wrote...

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

Killing a planet is super easy, finding all the planets with people on them is hard. there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars, each have any number of planets. do the math. technically, it should be impossible.

Maybe the Reapers are just a chilled out bunch who like to take their time.
Whats the rush? the galaxy's population aint going anywhere

On a more serious note, I have a question which i'm probably gonna get torn a new one for asking but; Why does the Reaper inside the collector base look like a human when all the others look like weird beatle things?
I know its created by harvesting humans but did I miss something else, why don't the others look different to one another?

[Bio Sil]

rasblak wrote...

Ah! Now I know what irks me with the _content_ of that trailer. Big Time!

I leave it to the 17-year old's to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better.

But who the flux by now knows Shepard, and counts on Shepard to bring help when the shat is
hitting the fan, and yet doesn't fluxing know who The Reapers are?

No.. Seriously, are we being jurked around again here? We've played through 2 parts of the trilogy
and there's still some jokers who don't know who the Reapers are? Who are banking on a previously dead Shepard for their salvation, and yet don't know she was made dead by who?

The collectors are the ones who killed Shep at the beginning of ME2, the council acknoledge that, they just don't believe in the reapers.
And at what point did you have an interview saying it was the reapers who killed you, if i remember right you don't tell anyone but your death except cerberus/council and your crew

[Tyrant Wrex]

A few humble observations: I think some people are reading way too much into certain aspects of the trailer; it was a cinematic teaser which debuted at an overproduced cable awards show where the assumption was many people would see it who had never played Mass Effect before, and didn't know what the hell a Reaper was. It was just a very stylish, very impressive cinematic designed to set the tone and the stage for a game a year away, take it for what it is and calm down. I agree that random gruff Brit marine completely out of the loop on the whole xenocidal transgalactic sentient dreadnought conspiracy shouldn't be the main character of ME3, fortunately I think we can safely insinuate that there isn't any chance of that. It was a framing device to build suspense for an advert, Sheperd's appearance at the end confirmed the locus of the narrative, as if there was any doubt. Its a teaser for a game a ways off, relax, these guys know what they're doing.

The only thing I'll say content ways about ME3 at this point is this; there's a lot of chatter that there's going to be some kind of multiplayer component. The inclusion of some kind of auxiliary online competitive utility is frankly negligible to me, I don't care either way if its part of the package. I only ask that it isn't in any way incorporated into the core, primary story experience. Mass Effect is fundamentally at its crux an old-school single-player role-playing game by an old-school single-player role-playing game developer. It has the aesthetics and mechanical trappings of a shooter, and certainly it has catered in some respects to a larger audience in recent developments, which I have embraced and defended. But if they turn the core experience of Sheperd's last hurrah into some kind of CoD or L4D vehicle, Bioware will have crossed the line for me. As I said though, I think these guys are too smart and have come too far to lapse into absurdity and disgrace in the final act.

Modifié par Tyrant Wrex, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[Vaenier]

Bio Sil wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

The-Person wrote...

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

Killing a planet is super easy, finding all the planets with people on them is hard. there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars, each have any number of planets. do the math. technically, it should be impossible.

Maybe the Reapers are just a chilled out bunch who like to take their time.
Whats the rush? the galaxy's population aint going anywhere

On a more serious note, I have a question which i'm probably gonna get torn a new one for asking but; Why does the Reaper inside the collector base look like a human when all the others look like weird beatle things?
I know its created by harvesting humans but did I miss something else, why don't the others look different to one another?

It made a "cooler looking" boss.

It was implied by fans that it would later form a shell around it, but the derelect reaper proved that wrong after you visit its core and do not find a giant alien in it.

[vargatom]

To be honest, the derelict's core was a bit too close to its outer side. One minute you're fighting husks on the edge of a platform looking at the gas giant, the next you're near the core without any indication of distance between the two places...



It might not have been the main core though, only one responsible for secondary/emergency mass effect fields and shield systems. So there might have been some weird alien thingy deeper inside that reaper

[deimosmasque]

Bio Sil wrote...


Maybe the Reapers are just a chilled out bunch who like to take their time.
Whats the rush? the galaxy's population aint going anywhere

You are being facetious but the truth is what is 100 years to the Reapers?  Or 300 years?  Or 900 years?  They are presented as nigh-immortal beings who have destroyed all sentient life in the galaxy at least twice before.  To them 300 years is basically as long as it takes me to type up this post.

Modifié par deimosmasque, 15 décembre 2010 - 12:41 .

[The-Person]

Vaenier wrote...

The-Person wrote...

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

Killing a planet is super easy, finding all the planets with people on them is hard. there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars, each have any number of planets. do the math. technically, it should be impossible.

They didn't need to look for the planets, because as vigil said, they had all of the information of where to find them through the citadel.

[lacoangeal]

Vaenier wrote...

Bio Sil wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

The-Person wrote...

If that was so, why did vigil say it too hundred of years to take care of the Protheans?

Killing a planet is super easy, finding all the planets with people on them is hard. there are between 200 and 400 BILLION stars, each have any number of planets. do the math. technically, it should be impossible.

Maybe the Reapers are just a chilled out bunch who like to take their time.
Whats the rush? the galaxy's population aint going anywhere

On a more serious note, I have a question which i'm probably gonna get torn a new one for asking but; Why does the Reaper inside the collector base look like a human when all the others look like weird beatle things?
I know its created by harvesting humans but did I miss something else, why don't the others look different to one another?

It made a "cooler looking" boss.

It was implied by fans that it would later form a shell around it, but the derelect reaper proved that wrong after you visit its core and do not find a giant alien in it.

Here is a snippet of the dialogue that preceeds the final battle in ME2.


EDI: It appears the Collectors have processed tens of thousands of humans.  Significantly more will be required to complete the Reaper.
SHEPARD: What did the Collectors gain by turning humans into this Reaper shell?
EDI: They may be facilitating the Reaper equivalent of reproduction.  Or it may serve another purpose.  I do not have the data to speculate further.  However, it is clear that the Collectors are merely pawns.  The technology and ability needed to create this Reaper is not their own.  It is likely that diferent species construct each Reaper.  In this case, the Collectors provide the labor.
SHEPARD: The Collectors are just Protheans.  Why would they help the Reapers?
EDI: The Reapers subdued the Protheans long ago.  Probability suggests they attempted to create a Prothean Reaper, and failed.  Over time, they adapted the Protheans to suit their needs--changed them, turned them into workers, tools for the Reapers.
SHEPARD: They're building it to look like a human.  Why?
EDI: It appears that a Reaper's shape is based upon the species used to create it.
SHEPARD: Reapers are machines--why do they need humans at all?
EDI: Incorrect.  Reapers are sapient constructs, a hybrid of organic and inorganic material.  The exact construction methods are unclear, but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species, utilizing it in their reproduction process.
SHEPARD: How many more humans do you think they'd try to take?
EDI: Millions.  Perhaps more.  Impossible to know for certain.  This Reaper appears to be at a very early stage of developement--an embryo in human terms.


If EDI's guesswork is at all accurate, the answer to your question about why the Reapers don't look different from one another is that Bioware got lazy in making the ME2 closing shot and the shots of the Reapers from the ME3 trailer.  They SHOULD all look different.  There should only be a handful that share Sovereign's form, with many others being as diverse from each other as an elcor is from a batarian.  If it takes hundreds of thousands to millions of lives to make just one Reaper, it would seem that only a few new Reapers can be created every 50,000 years.  That would also explain why it takes such a long time for the Reapers to achieve their goals each time--they are NOT wiping out the galaxy's organic life, they are HARVESTING it.  What we see the Collectors doing all through ME2 is not a departure at all from the Reaper's normal modus operandi.

[rasblak]

catabuca wrote...

rasblak wrote...
Ah! Now I know what irks me with the _content_ of that trailer. Big Time!

I leave it to the 17-year old's some others to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better.
If anyone wants to go "HOLY **** THAT IS SO EPIC" on everything that's in 720p or better , then the more power to them.

But who the flux by now knows Shepard, and counts on Shepard to bring help when the shat is
hitting the fan, and yet doesn't fluxing know who The Reapers are?

No.. Seriously, are we being jurked around again here? We've played through 2 parts of the trilogy
and there's still some jokers who don't know who the Reapers are? Who are banking on a previously dead Shepard for their salvation, and yet don't know she was made dead by who?

Well this 32 yr old thought it was epic too, so why don't you try to not use such emotive language when telling us your opinion and make it about the game and not those who are expressing their happiness.

Ok.. Ok.. You're right. I've updated my post as per the quote above.

Bio Sil wrote...
The collectors are the ones who killed Shep at the beginning of ME2, the council acknoledge that, they just don't believe in the reapers. 
And at what point did you have an interview saying it was the reapers who killed you, if i remember right you don't tell anyone but your death except cerberus/council and your crew

Listen, what you're saying is all good and well. All true.

What I'm saying is that to have someone knowing Shepard well enough to be counting on Shepard to bring help
against tonnes of Reapers overhead and yet not "know" who The Reapers are is a hard pill to swallow.
Someone has asked Shepard to bring help, and yet Shepard didn't even mention about these being Reapers?

My beef really is that in ME2, BioWare milked that coverup-cow scenario for all it was worth to sell a reboot.
I mean, I'm a fan... And can we skip to the point where everyone knows about the Reapers already, and finally get on with the story.

[Moiaussi]

rasblak wrote...

Surely Shepard won't fail to "bring help".

I'm underwhelmed by the video because "bring help" has a tone of same formula: recruitment, rinse, repeat. Be it of individuals, entire armies by convincing (loyalizing?) their leader. Oh well. I hope I'm wrong.

But, Alaska??... Where did Alaska come from suddenly? When did we last talk about Alaska in Mass Effect?
Heck, I didn't even know there's anybody still *alive* in Alaska man!
The Reapers are attacking Alaska?? Anchorage, of all places??

Shep will see the reapers from Alaska and thus learn all he needs to know about interstellar diplomacy

Perhaps it is a homage to Gundam? I am pretty sure there was a major Anchorage base in Gundam....

[cutthecameras]

rasblak wrote...

What I'm saying is that to have someone knowing Shepard well enough to be counting on Shepard to bring help
against tonnes of Reapers overhead and yet not "know" who The Reapers are is a hard pill to swallow.
Someone has asked Shepard to bring help, and yet Shepard didn't even mention about these being Reapers?

My beef really is that in ME2, BioWare milked that coverup-cow scenario for all it was worth to sell a reboot.
I mean, I'm a fan... And can we skip to the point where everyone knows about the Reapers already, and finally get on with the story.

Fact is, an unthinkable crisis is in progress and everyone and their mom knows Commander Shepard is absolutely no joke. Shepard died, and then "got better". The whole world is aware of Shepards death and resurrection "I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the Citadel!" Everyone knows who Shepard is so it's logical to think everyone would rally behind a hero like that...There's really no evidence the person in the vid knows Shepard in person.

But the Reapers are still very hush hush. I'm just dying to see what the hell the council's gonna say in my file. 

Modifié par cutthecameras, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:09 .