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Busomjack wrote...

Yeah, but the Protheans had it even worse.  Even before they knew they were under attack all of their leaders were dead and the Reapers had the coordinates for every single one of their colonies and homeworld.


True, really both ways are pretty horrifying, and knowing the possiblilty that the Reapers don't need the Mass Relays to attack the galaxy is an even more frightening prospect, and I am very interested to know what is going on with them inbetween ME2 and ME3.

Here's to hoping that we get some news about bridging DLC soon.

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Busomjack wrote...


Yeah, but the Protheans had it even worse.  Even before they knew they were under attack all of their leaders were dead and the Reapers had the coordinates for every single one of their colonies and homeworld.


Interesting!  What if humanity's relative weakness compared to the Protheans is actually a benefit?  Humanity never had the strength to trash the galaxy and remake it in their own image, so they couldn't be boxed up and harvested like the "strong" races in past cycles?

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Well I'd say Mass Effect 3 along with ES5 Skyrim impressed me and it was a pretty good year for the VGA's. I'm a bit disappointed about Kratos being an exclusive on the PS3 version of Mortal Kombat :'(

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It could be that the Reapers are starting with the Humans. Is there any indication that the Reapers eliminated everyone at once? (Im just wondering)

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I'm a little disappointed that the focus has shifted to humanity. There's a whole galaxy full of aliens, and now everything is resting on humanity's shoulders? I feel a little... I dunno, down about this I guess. I'm sure I'll still love the game, but I always liked the idea of exploring the cultures of the aliens we've come into contact now. And "humanity is the star of the universe" is nothing new.


Not sure humanity will be the star.  At least not in Shepard's tale.  As the VO said, Shep has to bring help.  That help will most likely be way beyond earth.  My theroy is that while Shep is romaing the galaxy for help in the SP part, generic gritty space marine #37 will be defending earth w/ his "lost squad" he mentioned in the MP part of ther game.  Of course, I could be wrong. 

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cachx wrote...

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Where is ZuluDFA anyways? I am in need of conspiracy theories and my horoscope.

He hanged himself when he realized that Shep was not put on trial or whatever...

Anyways... why people seem to think that the whole game is going to be on Earth?



Meh considering my disagreement with some of Zulu's views, I still think the trial thing could happen...

Shepard could initially be blamed for this attack, the council claiming he has gone rogue like Saren (or maybe even worse, claiming it was Shepard all along)

If we're going out to get people to come help get Earth back, I think we won't be on Earth much at all. Other than near the end and maybe at the start.

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I think those nifty thanix cannons the Turians developed are going to be pretty helpful against the Reapers.



Ofcourse there's definitely going to be something big thats going to turn the tide. Perhaps there is something hidden on Earth by previous civilizations (not even Protheans necessarily,) that could do some serious **** to the Reapers...like the mass accelerator cannon that took out a Reaper and left a canyon hundreds of miles long on a planet thousands of lightyears away.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I'm a little disappointed that the focus has shifted to humanity. There's a whole galaxy full of aliens, and now everything is resting on humanity's shoulders? I feel a little... I dunno, down about this I guess. I'm sure I'll still love the game, but I always liked the idea of exploring the cultures of the aliens we've come into contact now. And "humanity is the star of the universe" is nothing new.


Not sure humanity will be the star.  At least not in Shepard's tale.  As the VO said, Shep has to bring help.  That help will most likely be way beyond earth.  My theroy is that while Shep is romaing the galaxy for help in the SP part, generic gritty space marine #37 will be defending earth w/ his "lost squad" he mentioned in the MP part of ther game.  Of course, I could be wrong. 

Like Dragon Age. The main theme is "This is it. Get everyone and prepare to survive AT ALL COSTS."

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JamieCOTC wrote...

My theroy is that while Shep is romaing the galaxy for help in the SP part, generic gritty space marine #37 will be defending earth w/ his "lost squad" he mentioned in the MP part of ther game.  Of course, I could be wrong. 


That is a great theory.  While ME is Shepard's story, the multiplayer aspect would probably focus on Mr. Big Ben and his squad.  Interesting...

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I'm a little disappointed that the focus has shifted to humanity. There's a whole galaxy full of aliens, and now everything is resting on humanity's shoulders? I feel a little... I dunno, down about this I guess. I'm sure I'll still love the game, but I always liked the idea of exploring the cultures of the aliens we've come into contact now. And "humanity is the star of the universe" is nothing new.


Not sure humanity will be the star.  At least not in Shepard's tale.  As the VO said, Shep has to bring help.  That help will most likely be way beyond earth.  My theroy is that while Shep is romaing the galaxy for help in the SP part, generic gritty space marine #37 will be defending earth w/ his "lost squad" he mentioned in the MP part of ther game.  Of course, I could be wrong. 


Not to mention that a lot of races don't care much for humans, so the quest does not sound that easy. The possibilities of punching the Turian councilor are rising, that makes me happy.

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I love Mass Effect to pieces, but I need to be honest. I'm extremely disappointed by what I've seen sofar. Very, and I'm actually kind of sad. Literally sad. I cannot believe that there is going to be such a focus on Earth in this final game. I know people will counter-argue that the Reapers are focusing on humanity because they perceive them as a threat (remember, we are only like bacteria to Reapers), but I was told that Reapers would darken the sky of "every world".



Maybe the Reapers were given a characterization of such power that anything would be a letdown, a testament to BioWare genius in developing characters. Because let's face it, unless you did what Martin Sheen (spoiler sidestep) wanted you to, the Reapers should be able to destroy Earth within days. Complete eradication. Any other outcome is a weak lessening of characterization, and a large letdown for a great developer who focuses on characterization. Our atomic bombs can kill more people in 15 seconds than Reapers killed in one week, and they are gods compared to us. There needs to be airtight explanations in-story.



The biggest letdown and cause of my disappointment is, as mentioned by many of my fellow fans, is the focus on Earth. Now, yes, assessing storyline, I can see an obvious focus on humanity. We are humans who discovered mass effect technology, and are discovering ourselves in a new golden age, but for the Reapers. But like many others, I have also groomed my Shepard to be seeking to make humanity an equal group among a civilization spanning the galaxy, not dominant or superior. We may be viewed as superior by the Reapers, based upon our actions, and rightfully so...I mean, yeah, we are probably the only species ever to give them fits. But the focus to Earth and humanity? It is glaring apparent. In the story of Mass Effect we players are escaping that boring blue planet we live on to explore space. We see earth every day. We work our assessing of on that planet to get by. We live and die on Earth. Earth becoming a focal point subconsciously shifts our perception of the Mass Effect IP away from the rest of the galaxy, thus consciously making the universe feel smaller and more narrow.



It looks as if I must recruit other species to help humanity. Well, since in my story I am a Citadel Council member, shouldn't I receive help automatically? Shouldn't I have at least the full force of the Turians and Salarians, crippled though they be still from Sovereign? And if I gave Cerberus Reaper technology, wouldn't their defense of Earth make any help from others sort of pointless?? Yeah, every little bit helps, but humanity's tech would far exceed, unless Cerberus hasn't had time to utilize the tech I got them. But beyond all of that, I simply do not want to recruit anymore. Mass Effect 2 was an excellent middle chapter, a fresh, action-packed...middle chapter. But I spent 90% of main-story gameplay recruiting. I now want less recruiting and more storytelling. With the initial perception among fans that we will be recruiting again, its making some of us "lukewarm".



BioWare, you are my favorite developer of games. You are excellent in every facet, and we like your games because you are innovators, you produce quality, and you know what makes a good RPG. And just so its clear, the majority of your fans despise Halo, Call of Duty and a lot of other crap holding back gaming. You are great, and im sure it sometimes feels like we are ungrateful brats. Our complaints, though, are tough love. And this is tough love. I feel that, with the way it feels Mass Effect 3 is heading for, based upon the information at hand, that this could utterly derail the entire franchise. It just has the feel of a C- ending to literally the best piece of fiction in the history of the world. And it mostly has to do with an apparent focus on humanity and decharacterization of the Reapers.



Mass Effect is my favorite game series and story ever. Up until now, it is literally The Best Piece Of Fiction Ever. It was so awesome seeing the Reapers. But I cannot get excited, as much as I want to be. As one of your die hard fans, I feel extremely, immensely disappointed.

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JamieCOTC wrote...

Crimmsonwind wrote...

I'm a little disappointed that the focus has shifted to humanity. There's a whole galaxy full of aliens, and now everything is resting on humanity's shoulders? I feel a little... I dunno, down about this I guess. I'm sure I'll still love the game, but I always liked the idea of exploring the cultures of the aliens we've come into contact now. And "humanity is the star of the universe" is nothing new.


Not sure humanity will be the star.  At least not in Shepard's tale.  As the VO said, Shep has to bring help.  That help will most likely be way beyond earth.  My theroy is that while Shep is romaing the galaxy for help in the SP part, generic gritty space marine #37 will be defending earth w/ his "lost squad" he mentioned in the MP part of ther game.  Of course, I could be wrong. 


I hoping Shepard will go see the Turian Hierarchy, and the leaders of the other Council races governments. (Sorry, I can't remember what types of governments the Asari and the Salarians have.)

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hooahguy wrote...

It could be that the Reapers are starting with the Humans. Is there any indication that the Reapers eliminated everyone at once? (Im just wondering)


No, eliminating the Protheans took centuries as Vigil mentioned.

However, the Reapers do not destroy what they can use and it's likely that the attack on Earth is not an extermination but rather a harvesting.  The reapers are trying to collect some humans that they can repurpose to serve them much like they did with the Protheans.

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I think it absolutely makes sense humanity is being targeted--it seems Reapers have preferences for what race they indoctrinate and milkshakerate, and Shepard, through her actions, targeting humanity.

What I think is really important to remember: They can no longer manipulate the Mass Relays, so I'm going to guess they specifically attacked Earth after journeying through deep space, and that once Earth is hit, the Charon relay is going to be destroyed or shut off, and the Citadel is going to try to physically slow them down. As the game progresses, more and more planets outlying the Local Cluster are going to be hit.

I'm theorizing that the Paragon choice is going to be to strengthen the other races defenses and armies at the cost of Earth lives, and the Renegade choice is going to be to head straight to Earth and sacrifice your armies to take it back as quickly as possible.

Modifié par Saibh, 12 décembre 2010 - 05:01 .


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I hope that guy is a squadmate. As for the 2/7million figures thing, that does seem like a trailer writing fail. They could have given one more sentence of dialogue to suggest some limitations of scope/knowledge on those numbers (e.g. "and god knows how many more around the world") and all would be well.



I really hope this game isn't as simple as "gather armies for final mission DA:O style." Don't get me wrong, that'd be an awesome, EPIC mid/late game mission, the proverbial Virmire (or even Ilos) of ME3. In fact, I hope they leave us thinking that's (DA:O in space) exactly what the game is going to be until the day it hits stores.



But I want a surprise, like when we found out Saren wasn't the archvillain. I want there to be something more AFTER Earth is saved. I want the key to the Reaper's destruction to be revealed in Earth's salvation... But then Shepherd still has a race of evil space robots to destroy.

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My apologies then, saw someone earlier on making similarites to chief and shep, so it kind of threw me.

As for Sniper dude *shrugs* badass Brit, plus also I don't think he is going to be a 'hero' I doubt if he'll even be a Squadmate.


Whether or not he's actually in the game is beside the point. He's clearly in a 'hero' role in the video. And he's a dude. And that's redundant and we need to see more representation not only in gaming but in game marketing. That was my only point.

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How come is it no one noticed this whole "Humanity being the subject" Thing when ME2 came out?

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PARAGON87 wrote...

That is a great theory.  While ME is Shepard's story, the multiplayer aspect would probably focus on Mr. Big Ben and his squad.  Interesting...


Multiplayer is still just a rumor.  The job posting was this summer, and multiplayer is not something you just "drop in" a title in full fledged production.  If you do, either the multiplayer will suck, or everything else will suck because you steal too many internal resources trying to get multiplayer to not suck.  With the date Holiday 2011 announced, I am very, very skeptical that we are going to see significant (e.g. not throwaway) multiplayer in ME3.  I will believe it when I see the gameplay videos.

EA did not say everything is going multiplayer.  They said online and connected. 

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Walker White wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

That is a great theory.  While ME is Shepard's story, the multiplayer aspect would probably focus on Mr. Big Ben and his squad.  Interesting...


Multiplayer is still just a rumor.  The job posting was this summer, and multiplayer is not something you just "drop in" a title in full fledged production.  If you do, either the multiplayer will suck, or everything else will suck because you steal too many internal resources trying to get multiplayer to not suck.  With the date Holiday 2011 announced, I am very, very skeptical that we are going to see significant (e.g. not throwaway) multiplayer in ME3.  I will believe it when I see the gameplay videos.

EA did not say everything is going multiplayer.  They said online and connected. 


Time will tell.  I personally hope ME3 will not go multiplayer, this is a tried-and-true single player story-rich experience that should be enjoyed by one person (though I would not discount 2-4 player co-op),

But again, this is EA, they look for the $$$$ more than their absorbed companies' interests...

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Busomjack wrote...

hooahguy wrote...

It could be that the Reapers are starting with the Humans. Is there any indication that the Reapers eliminated everyone at once? (Im just wondering)


No, eliminating the Protheans took centuries as Vigil mentioned.

However, the Reapers do not destroy what they can use and it's likely that the attack on Earth is not an extermination but rather a harvesting.  The reapers are trying to collect some humans that they can repurpose to serve them much like they did with the Protheans.

When I said "at once" i meant killing protheans as well as other species. So I am wondering if the Reapers are killing all humans first, then Asari, then turians, etc....

Also, to everyone else: stop saying that its gonna focus only on humans. We all know  that it wont. 

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If they are physically moving through space, it seems it will take them as long as it took the Local Cluster to reach the Serpent Nebula. It seems the Krogan DMZ is right in their path, as well. Noveria, Eden Prime, and Terra Nova are right within range as well, if they're willing to split up forces.

It seems they might need to blow up the Citadel if they want to keep it from Reaper...tentacles.

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Walker White wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

That is a great theory.  While ME is Shepard's story, the multiplayer aspect would probably focus on Mr. Big Ben and his squad.  Interesting...


Multiplayer is still just a rumor.  The job posting was this summer, and multiplayer is not something you just "drop in" a title in full fledged production.  If you do, either the multiplayer will suck, or everything else will suck because you steal too many internal resources trying to get multiplayer to not suck.  With the date Holiday 2011 announced, I am very, very skeptical that we are going to see significant (e.g. not throwaway) multiplayer in ME3.  I will believe it when I see the gameplay videos.

EA did not say everything is going multiplayer.  They said online and connected. 


I'd like to see a separate co-op mode where they let players re-do missions together (without any dialogue).  

anyways, I'd like to hope bioware will include some more RPG elements in this game (like the original mass effect). Mass effect 2 was epic, however the rpg elements were nowhere to be seen.

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I hope Mr. Big Ben is a squadmate he looks so badass. Come on Bioware I had to put up with Kaidan and Jacob, please just give me one interesting male human squadmate.

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Why has no one brought up the obvious?

The Reapers are invading London.

What alien hero loves to thwart alien attacks on Earth?

That's right, ME3 is about to get an epic "companion".

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The funny thing is, the prospect of playing Mass Effect on a Reaper invaded futuristic Earth seems more fun to me than doing fetch quests on the Citadel.

Also, how does the temperature hint fit into what we saw on the trailer?