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masterthehero wrote...

Betrayal as in squad mates? Because Shepard has been betrayed by Udina when he was put under house arrest. Then you had Captain Ventralis in the Hot Labs, I really don't see how a betrayal of your own squadmates would really fit with the Mass Effect story. Maybe if they were mind controlled sure, or if they strongly disagreed with Renegade Shepard. But honestly, none of the squad mates except for Zaeed or Kasumi struck me as people who would betray you.


Well only a few of the squadmates could potentially be dangerous or even have a reason to betray you. And any one of them could be dead. I mean it has to be a character that is still, definitely alive. Virmire Survivor is one (i are a reaper agent mwahahaha), another is Liara (doubt that though). Anderson, Udina (again <_<), The Council (either one of them), The Alliance, Cerberus/TIM, any nation of aliens such as quarians/geth or salarians/krogan.

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Damn it!!! Now I have to get into my time machine and go into November and December 2011 to get the game.

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Acturas wrote...

Whats to say that all of the species homeworlds are'nt under attack as well.........that would be cool, as you wouldnt be able to save em all....


Ah yes, "big choices".

Oh wait a second... Goodie! Big choices! :)

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Newnation wrote...

Damn it!!! Now I have to get into my time machine and go into November and December 2011 to get the game.


Time traveling for a videogame never works. Eric Cartman proved that. We could try slowing your metabolism though, so that it seems to you all the time lasted only a very short amount of time.

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ME2, at the end of the collector base the reaper told the collector general: "We'll find another way .... releasing control"





ME3, Reapers arrived at earth, forcing shepard to unite all organics species (Krogans, Batarians, Asaris, Turians, Rachnis?, Salarians, Quarians) against the reapers to save Humanity and the earth.... dont know where the geths are counting to...



but something tells me Ilos will play a role how the reapers have come so far into the me galaxy





so, until next year, we need a lot of DLC's or a ME 2.5 to continue the story...

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By the way, just remembered. If you've followed Cerberus Daily News, there was a thing about some ships being attacked by some "unidentified ships", near the quarian flotilla.

Entry follows:

Earlier today, the Migrant Fleet rescued an Eldfell-Ashland Energy
employee drifting through the Nubian Expanse in a lifepod. Navigator
Camilla Gutierrez, the only survivor of the MSV Stanislaw, says that
quarians had nothing to do with the attack that stranded her: “The
ship’s silhouette was just massive. There’s no way the quarians had that
monster in their Flotilla. I’ve never seen anything like it.” Asked
about the attack itself, Gutierrez reported, “They blew out our engines
before we knew what hit us. Smoke was everywhere. I heard the captain
yell something about boarders before he ordered us to the lifepods.”
Eldfell-Ashland says it is relieved Gutierrez was recovered, but that
the Citadel investigation should continue “until all parties involved
are satisfied.



Time to go make a timeline...

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .


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Too bad that they still use heat clips, I wouldn't have minded a completely unexplained return to ME1's weapon cooldown. Still, of all the debut trailers I've seen lately, this one has me the most excited.

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Schwadragon wrote...

...Are people really surprised that the Reapers are attacking Earth? Honestly, they've been building towards that since Mass Effect 1. I would have been shocked if there was no attack on Earth, and you just know people would have been furious.

The only thing I'm surprised by is that the attack happens early enough that Bioware can put it in a trailer.


TBH I think most people who're really dreading the human-centric story are against the final and ultimate confrontation taking place on Earth... EA's synopsis of the game states that the final battle involves "taking back the Earth".

It's weird, because up until this point Mass Effect has stayed away from the Earth for the very reason that it's somewhere we've been before. Bioware has been trying to flesh out their universe over the course of the past two games, avoiding taking us to present-day Earth, partly because they didn't want to retread old ground and partly because they didn't feel that they could show it in a way that would satisfy the fans. Up until now, we've gotten accustomed to the Citadel, the Normandy, places like Virmire, Ilos, Omega, Ilium, etc... and now, at the end of the series, we're apparently going to end Shepard's fight at or on Earth. For a lot of people, after Bioware has taken us all around the galaxy and to so many awe-inspiring places, taking us back to Earth for the final showdown seems... hey, I'll admit it! It seems kind of cliche and somewhat disappointing.

But who knows? I for one am pretty stoked for Mass Effect 3. All of the fans have been asking to return to Earth at some point in the trilogy, and now we finally get to see Bioware's vision of our planet's future. Cool. B)

I really want my squadmates to be very talkative during my mission on Earth, though. I want to hear their opinions on the old architecture of London (if we go there, that is), I want them to comment on the smell of Earth's atmosphere, I want my alien squadmates (and my human ones, providing they've never been to Earth) to seem interested in the homeworld of the humans, just like I'd be interested in their own if I went to visit it.

Seriously, as cliche as the whole thing sounds, this presents Bioware with some very golden opportunities. We're disconnected from the Earth because we've spent the entire trilogy far away from it. Two out of three Shepards aren't even from Earth, so it's likely that we'll be looking at the attack on the Earth from the outside, with a focus not on Earth, but on the bigger picture. In most games where Earth is attacked, it's always about fighting to the last man to protect your planet. In Mass Effect 3, Shepard is somewhat disconnected from all that, because as much as he wants his species to survive, he also needs to think about the stability of the galaxy and the fate of all these other species he's come to know (and I can see some cool instances where your alien squadmates will make a choice between fighting the Reapers with Shepard or returning to their own home planets to help prepare for the Reaper invasion there).

On one hand, this is just a cliche plot point; on the other hand, though, you have some interesting dynamics that could make Mass Effect 3's plot really emotional and fulfilling.

Here are some cool dynamics that could give the whole thing weight:

1. Shepard most likely isn't Earthian, and he works for a galactic government (if he reprises his role as a Spectre). He's a foreigner to his own home planet (if he's a Spacer or a Colonist), so for him, an attack on Earth is like an attack on an ally; he doesn't necessarily have a personal stake in it. This could make for some pretty cool moments of Shepard deciding whether to do what's best for his species, or doing what's best for galactic survival.

2. An attack on Earth would make humans the new victims, and incredibly vulnerable; our position in galactic government would instantly be called into question. Also, if the Reaper attack turns out to be at the beginning of the game, and they merely cut off travel through the Charon Mass Relay and harvest the Sol System, that would mean that humanity's population would be severely crippled. Our strength would be reduced to little more than nothing. With maybe a few hundred colonies, and ousted from our home planet, we'd be little more than vagabonds.

3. Your squadmates may be antsy about the Reapers striking their home planet, therefore making their loyalty hinge on their respect for Shepard (or something like that).

4. If Shepard destroyed the base despite TIM's arguments to keep it intact, Cerberus could really throw that in Shepard's face with a, "Hey ***hole! We sure could use that base now, huh? Bet you feel really stupid about throwing it away, you stupid self-righteous blowhard!"


Anways, I suspect that the attack does come pretty early on in the game, and that the Sol System becomes somewhat of a No-Flying Zone. The galactic government will try to keep a handle on the situation, the economy and political landscape will be in chaos, etc... with Shepard trying to find a way to stop the Reapers, as always.

It can be cliche, as long as it's the fresh kind of cliche.

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I just watched it... I think I wet myself.

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Purge the heathens wrote...

Too bad that they still use heat clips, I wouldn't have minded a completely unexplained return to ME1's weapon cooldown.

No, screw that broken untactical system. Heatsinks are better.

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Skilled Seeker wrote...

Purge the heathens wrote...

Too bad that they still use heat clips, I wouldn't have minded a completely unexplained return to ME1's weapon cooldown.

No, screw that broken untactical system. Heatsinks are better.


Agreed, lore-wise they might be a bit weird, but I'll gladly sacrifice that for the better mechanics of them in combat (maybe even make ammo more rare to find in the field).

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For all the people who whine about earth being attacked and low death count:



- Why would Reapers not attack Earth first ? What would be the point of attacking other homeworlds first or all at once full scale attack? Reapers only want humans ... other races will get destroyed. We are a resource to them. A resource that they can use to battle the rest of the galaxy. And Earth is the most ''resource'' rich planet in the galaxy for them ...



- That is why the death count is gonna be low (And I assume that 9 million died only in London), because they want to harvest us to make more of themselves not to wipe us out like they will do with other species.



- Establishing a Reaper base of some sorts on earth is a logical point too. They must have lost a lot of energy using FTL travel to get to the Milky Way so they will want to replenish it. It is only logical that they will want to set up a base where they can restore their energy and establish a reaper factory to make human reapers and have a base of operations, It will take many years for them to finish the cycle.



- Why not attack the citadel first? They probably did but why would Bioware show Citadel getting attacked in a promotional trailer when it was already attacked in ME1 ...



- Last point. I don't think Earth getting attacked or even the Citadel getting attacked will be the beginning in ME3. It will probably happen somewhere close to beginning but after Shepard started gathering allies.

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What I find funny is that fans have wanted to visit Earth since ME, and now that earth play a big part, they complain about that...

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Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Schwadragon wrote...

...Are people really surprised that the Reapers are attacking Earth? Honestly, they've been building towards that since Mass Effect 1. I would have been shocked if there was no attack on Earth, and you just know people would have been furious.

The only thing I'm surprised by is that the attack happens early enough that Bioware can put it in a trailer.


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I have a question here, is it possible to use a relay to jump to a location on a one way trip? Because I believe you brought up a great point. Humanity might be on its own at a point, perhaps this is a choice? If the relay gets destroyed the humans must jump their ships to sol but be sealed in there forever or until some other kind of travel? Or perhaps shepard will have to make a choice of a head on invasion which would waste countless lives or evacuating everyone out of sol and causing a forced supernova or implosion of the sun. (this has been discussed before) Just a thought = /

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Lol question here



Didnt a picture of that guy get posted by Bioware...a picture of him from that trailer when hes aiming down his sights...and they say it was an all new game series? lol or was that just them messing with us

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you all know that if you choosed "Earthborn" in character creation, they will attack earth in ME3 ...



what happends if you choosed Spacer or Colonist??

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Im pretty sure they arent attacking Earth because of Shepard personally...they want humans in general



Im pretty sure its the same regardless of origin if thats what the trailer is..

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Dionkey wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Schwadragon wrote...

...Are people really surprised that the Reapers are attacking Earth? Honestly, they've been building towards that since Mass Effect 1. I would have been shocked if there was no attack on Earth, and you just know people would have been furious.

The only thing I'm surprised by is that the attack happens early enough that Bioware can put it in a trailer.


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I have a question here, is it possible to use a relay to jump to a location on a one way trip? Because I believe you brought up a great point. Humanity might be on its own at a point, perhaps this is a choice? If the relay gets destroyed the humans must jump their ships to sol but be sealed in there forever or until some other kind of travel? Or perhaps shepard will have to make a choice of a head on invasion which would waste countless lives or evacuating everyone out of sol and causing a forced supernova or implosion of the sun. (this has been discussed before) Just a thought = /


Well the reapers had to come in via mass relat. Basically, FTL-travel is like having a game of catch in space. Your arm (the mass relay) pushes the ball towards your buddy (the destination relay), but without your buddy there, it just keeps on traveling forever until it hits something so huge and dense it can't travel through it their speed. And the reapers can't just stop, so they need to get in via mass relay, or travel in through dark space, which would take a very long time.  I imagine that if Earth was first, they came in through dark space, and will continue on via Sol's mass relay. Whatever the way the reapers will try to preserve the relay at all costs, so I don't see ddestroying it as a viable option.

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dojocan81 wrote...

you all know that if you choosed "Earthborn" in character creation, they will attack earth in ME3 ...

what happends if you choosed Spacer or Colonist??


The exact same thing

Modifié par Cinnamon Lightning, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:42 .


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They probably wouldn't be that affected as Earthborn-Shep would. For a Spacer/Colonist, Earth is too far away to care about.

Modifié par GottvonHoff, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:43 .


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The trailer was pretty nice, but Earth... i know 99% of you want this but to me... it's like meh... I live here already.

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dojocan81 wrote...

you all know that if you choosed "Earthborn" in character creation, they will attack earth in ME3 ...

what happends if you choosed Spacer or Colonist??


I imagine the Colonist will feel just as strongly. After all, they saw their hometwon/city razed to the ground, with enslavement, rape, torture, etc along the way. Colonist, if written well, will be motivated from this. Spacer, its hard to tell, since we have extremely little insight into that background.

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Im so excited I cant shutup



Can anyone tell what that guy shoots? It looks human to me...and someone please answer my other question a few posts up.

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Looking at that trailer all I can think of is War of the Worlds

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Matchy Pointy wrote...

What I find funny is that fans have wanted to visit Earth since ME, and now that earth play a big part, they complain about that...


I think they wanted a chance to explore the futuristic cities of Earth, not see it burning from orbit as Reapers attack.