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[MisterDyslexo]

Paincake1234 wrote...

According to gametrailers release date is Q1 2011. I'm just gonna assume that to be a typo?

The date is a placeholder until it get announced. This way the game gets more views and has more traffic on the websites, being listed as a game "soon to release".

[MisterDyslexo]

I find it funny that these discussions are more intense than those of people having flame-wars over religion, politics, etc elsewhere that I'm also monitoring. I guess that means gamers are more intelligent in a debate? We're at each others throats over being a little upset by an inaccurate trailer-thats says committment to BW

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[UltraBoy360]

AwesomeName wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I love how people think they know the entire story about ME3 based on just a single teaser trailer. Hell its even funnier when people start wetting their pants when they thought ME3 was a pure multiplayer game based on a split second teaser.

I don't think they think they know the whole story, but rather they're just worried it'll be entirely set around saving Earth, based not just on this teaser but the leaked description, which basically says that's the premise of the game.

Personally, I always wanted to see Earth - but I don't want the entire game to revolve around it like Independance Day...

If Earth being saved is literally just the first couple of missions and the rest of the game is focussed back on saving the galaxy then I'll be happy (that doesn't include saving Earth with the mere implication that the galaxy is saved).

I want to have the chance to break the Reaper cycle and actually take the fight to them once and for all.

I'm pretty sure the battle for Earth will be a galaxy wide 'last stand' - in the same way failure at the Battle of the Citadel in ME1 would have meant the end of all civilization  - if Earth falls, the galaxy falls. It's not going to be some random, small skirmish.

Remember Mordin's favourite nephew speech? That's why Earth makes thematic sense for the final battle. It makes it personal - it brings the epic scale of a galactic extinction to a personal level. Or at least it does for me. Or maybe that is just because I'm from London!

Also - why have the Reaper's been downgraded (as another poster said)?? It's been made very clear that the Reaper's HARVEST their victims. Earth is not Alderan and the Reaper's are not the Death Star, They have a purpose, they Harvest. Vigil talked of the long process - Indoctrination, the indoctrinated being taken in by other colonies... I know it was the whole galaxy, but it took centuries. This has all been made clear in the canon storylines of two games as well as the books. I don't understand why people are confused and disappointed.

[Pwner1323]

My thoughts on the trailer;



I never thought I'd see the day ME3 would be announced, yet alone an actual video of the reaper invasion. It seems just like yasterday that I first played ME1 and thought to myself...



"What kind of name is Shepard? Where is his first name?"



"What the hell is this thing in the Comm Room? a lizaed mutant?"



"This is the worst 3rd person combat ever"



"Why does my latino squadmate have superpowers and I don't?"



"What's a Reaper? Some kind of intergalactic Grim reaper?" (wasn't too far on that one)



Oh memories.... so many revelations and Shepard punches to annoying reporters.

[Rodney Chongo]

1) What is the time difference between ME2 and ME3? If the Reapers are already en route since ME2, how hard is it to track their movements?



2) People are harping on the fact that the Reapers attacking London are 'too small'. Are Reapers built to the same specifications? Do they all have to be the same size?



3) Why Earth? Why not. They seem to have a serious interest in Humanity based on their attacks on human colonies, their interest in Shepard, and their creation of a human reaper. To the Reapers, humans should seem like the biggest threat because a human is the only one to have exposed their plans, stopped their operations, and exposed their weakness.



4) Why only 9 million dead? How many do you think left Earth as refugees leading up to the invasion? Why would Earth NOT be ready to defend itself? How do you know the fleet hasn't engaged the Reaper armada on several occasions across the galaxy leading up to the London bit?



5) Why Space marines defending Earth again? Having played Batman, GTA, Red Dead, ME1, ME2, Gears of War 2, Fable 2 and 3, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Dead Space, Star Trek, Bully, Katamari, Ghostbusters, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 and 2, Conan, Dragon Age, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, and Borderlands...what are you guys talking about? You make it seem like every month there is a 'space marines save earth' game.

[Shaun2406]

An idea for how the endgame could play out... Which ties back to the Dark Energy thing from Haestrom...



If dark energy causes a star to age unusually rapidly, a sufficient injection of dark energy into a star could concievably cause it to go supernova (OK OK, I know, the process of going supernova is a slow one, the star blows off mass as iron builds up etc etc but this is a space opera where they brought the main character back from the dead so using dark energy to 'detonate' a star doesn't seem like toooo much of stretch right?).



The reapers transform Earth into a reaper construct/factory, Earths gone, dead. Shephard takes a fleet in system that rallies around the sun while using some sort of newly developed vessel to inject dark energy into Sol (yes, Sol lacks the mass to go supernova, ideally this endgame would play out in another system with a far larger/older star with more galactic significance, but Bioware's picked Earth as the focus of ME3, so I'm going to extend my 'space opera' logic a bit here... And maybe dark energy could make the Sun go supernova... I don't really understand the concept of it!), at the same time Shepard leads a ground team to shut down something vital on Earth, perhaps a mass relay, etc, to trap the Reaper fleet, which has concentrated in system to engage the Shepards fleet, within the solar system... The dark energy causes the sun to go supernova, the reapers in system (the vast majority of the overall reaper fleet) are wiped out, along with Shepards fleet, and Shepards ground team...



It seems an appropriately bittersweet ending (though obviously there should be a 'perfect' ending where everyone survives and one where everyone dies etc, this is just one scenario)...



And as for the supernova thing... Well it does seem like the one plausible non deus ex machina way of killing a lot of reapers at once I can think of... And does tie back to that dark energy (though as mentioned before a larger and older sun than the star would make more sense)...



(not saying a supernova is the only sensible way to kill a reaper! I'm sure there are plenty of others, and Bioware will come up with a good one... Just saying it was the only one I could think of!)



What do you guys think?

[MyryaSzataria]

Okay, a few notes from my perspective. If you listen carefully to what he says in the beginning of the trailer, he doesn't specify a location at all. However, basic logic says he would be talking about london, since it's his area of operations. For those who'd question this, ask yourself this. If you're a soldier stationed in one city in Iraq, how much do you know about the specifics of operations going on in, say, Africa? Not a lot I'd bet. You'd know your AO and leave the rest to folks in that area. So, I would say it is a fairly safe and logical bet he is referring to London casualtis only. He does refer to attacks in other cities, but please note, other than the fact the attacks were effective, he relays no information.

The ejection of a heat clip would seem to indicate the 'ammo' system of ME 2 will be retained in some way, if not just passed straight over as a copy-paste.

Also, the fact a foot soldier on Earth knows Sheppard has even fought the Reapers means no one's buying the lies passed off in ME2 about the Citadel attack being the Geth. Therefore, I'd say at least part of the truth is now well known. The council, with their idiotic reations to date, would probably not take any of this well. They have, in each game, fought Sheppard every step of the way on everything he or she tries to do. I cannot see that stopping when their worst fears come to roost on everyone's doorstep.

Also, the clip shows multiple Reapers in London. It would be safe to say they are hitting every major city on Earth with equal force, it would just be sound tactics. So there are, most likely, at least 100 Reapers curb stomping the planet I would guess.

What I am curious about is where Cerberus fits into all of this, and how the Collector Base would fit into this considering the vast difference such a treasure trove of hyper-advanced technology would have on the state of, well, everything. Also, in ME2, Sheppard was, I believe, labeled a potential terrorist by the council because of his affiliation with Cerberus, and was only given his Specter Status back if he stayed out of sight in the Terminus systems. If he made a public break with Cerberus (Paragon ending) That might fix his PR problem, but if he didn't (Renegade ending) then his legal situation would be precarious to say the least.

It is known that the Normandy SR2 can kill Reaper-Tech ships (The Collector Ship was obviously Reaper-Tech) so the question becomes, what effect would guns like are on the SR2 have on a full-blown Reaper. The capability to do things the hard way, instead of with a 'McGuffin" is possibly there, but how they work it remains to be seen since the number of guns necessary to do much would need a lot of people to crew them and the ships they are in.

[knight5923]

Here's some wallpapers:

Reaper Attack

Shepard Back

Shepard Front

Hope you like 'em^_^

[MasterSolo]

AwesomeName wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I'm pretty sure the battle for Earth will be a galaxy wide 'last stand' - in the same way failure at the Battle of the Citadel in ME1 would have meant the end of all civilization  - if Earth falls, the galaxy falls. It's not going to be some random, small skirmish.

Remember Mordin's favourite nephew speech? That's why Earth makes thematic sense for the final battle. It makes it personal - it brings the epic scale of a galactic extinction to a personal level. Or at least it does for me. Or maybe that is just because I'm from London!

Also - why have the Reaper's been downgraded (as another poster said)?? It's been made very clear that the Reaper's HARVEST their victims. Earth is not Alderan and the Reaper's are not the Death Star, They have a purpose, they Harvest. Vigil talked of the long process - Indoctrination, the indoctrinated being taken in by other colonies... I know it was the whole galaxy, but it took centuries. This has all been made clear in the canon storylines of two games as well as the books. I don't understand why people are confused and disappointed.

And this is what I'm afraid of... Earth being the last stand just makes me think of every cliched alien invasion movie ever been made.   I don't like the idea of an Independance Day style ending where it all took place in 'Merica and then we see a few fleeting cutscenes reminding us that the entire world was at stake... It might make it seem personal to some, but for others it could feel like a downgrade from Galaxy vs. the Reapers to Earth vs. the Reapers.

The Galaxy is the stage, it always has - not Earth... And while I'm sure the Galaxy will still be at stake, I'm worried that it'll no longer feel at the forefront of the mission, and that we'll be so focussed on saving Earth, and when we do save it, we'll merely get a little cutscene saying "oh and while  you were busy doing that, the rest of the galaxy was saved too"

I hope I'm wrong, and that Earth will just be the start, and not what the whole game is about.

I think it'll be about saving Earth as we can clearly see, the Earthern Fleetwas destroyed(as the MI6 guy stated) and everything is in ruins, however that guy knew that Shepard was supposed to get "help" meaning that at the moment when Shepard was looking over Earth, he probably has an enormous fleet of quarians, geth, krogans, rachni, turians, asari etc etc all based on your choices, in ME1 and ME2. And I'm actually thinking, since everyone knew the Reapers are coming they were ready for them, and for an entire human army to be destroyed....awesome.

P.S. Does anyone else think the voice for the MI6 guy is Jonathan Cake?

[Pwner1323]

AwesomeName wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

I'm pretty sure the battle for Earth will be a galaxy wide 'last stand' - in the same way failure at the Battle of the Citadel in ME1 would have meant the end of all civilization  - if Earth falls, the galaxy falls. It's not going to be some random, small skirmish.

Remember Mordin's favourite nephew speech? That's why Earth makes thematic sense for the final battle. It makes it personal - it brings the epic scale of a galactic extinction to a personal level. Or at least it does for me. Or maybe that is just because I'm from London!

Also - why have the Reaper's been downgraded (as another poster said)?? It's been made very clear that the Reaper's HARVEST their victims. Earth is not Alderan and the Reaper's are not the Death Star, They have a purpose, they Harvest. Vigil talked of the long process - Indoctrination, the indoctrinated being taken in by other colonies... I know it was the whole galaxy, but it took centuries. This has all been made clear in the canon storylines of two games as well as the books. I don't understand why people are confused and disappointed.

And this is what I'm afraid of... Earth being the last stand just makes me think of every cliched alien invasion movie ever been made.   I don't like the idea of an Independance Day style ending where it all took place in 'Merica and then we see a few fleeting cutscenes reminding us that the entire world was at stake... It might make it seem personal to some, but for others it could feel like a downgrade from Galaxy vs. the Reapers to Earth vs. the Reapers.

The Galaxy is the stage, it always has - not Earth... And while I'm sure the Galaxy will still be at stake, I'm worried that it'll no longer feel at the forefront of the mission, and that we'll be so focussed on saving Earth, and when we do save it, we'll merely get a little cutscene saying "oh and while  you were busy doing that, the rest of the galaxy was saved too"

I hope I'm wrong, and that Earth will just be the start, and not what the whole game is about.

It's aweasome how people, after a single trailer (a teaser no less) jump to conclusions as if they just read the game's prima guide. Earth (according to me, myself and I) is just a starting point, the first attack. If you put all the pieces together, you can tell that the it's just the first week of the Reaper's invasion on the galaxy.

Earth is, in other words, Eden Prime. After it, we'll play the game like the two others. Taking missions and visiting planets.

I doubt it will end with just a simple "final battle for Earth". ME is above that. The ME3 features thread says that vehicle exploration will return, so that gives hope.

[1Man army]

I wouldn't have anything against a final fight around earth. To me as a player it becomes much more personal, earth is my home after all. But it would be nice if you can choose where to fight, you probably have to make some hard choices regarding that; can't be at all places at once.

[tktomma]

MyryaSzataria wrote...

Also, the fact a foot soldier on Earth knows Sheppard has even fought the Reapers means no one's buying the lies passed off in ME2 about the Citadel attack being the Geth. Therefore, I'd say at least part of the truth is now well known. The council, with their idiotic reations to date, would probably not take any of this well. They have, in each game, fought Sheppard every step of the way on everything he or she tries to do. I cannot see that stopping when their worst fears come to roost on everyone's doorstep.

I wouldn't be so sure.  Shepard is merely known as a super inspiring leader who defies all odds and saved the Citadel from a giant spaceship.  The guy even says he doesn't know what the hell the things are that are attacking them, when they're clearly Reapers.  It doesn't mean that cat's out of the bag with the Reapers, but not everyone is aware, and certainly not the sniper.

[UltraBoy360]

AwesomeName wrote...

MasterSolo wrote...

I think it'll be about saving Earth as we can clearly see, the Earthern Fleetwas destroyed(as the MI6 guy stated) and everything is in ruins, however that guy knew that Shepard was supposed to get "help" meaning that at the moment when Shepard was looking over Earth, he probably has an enormous fleet of quarians, geth, krogans, rachni, turians, asari etc etc all based on your choices, in ME1 and ME2. And I'm actually thinking, since everyone knew the Reapers are coming they were ready for them, and for an entire human army to be destroyed....awesome.

P.S. Does anyone else think the voice for the MI6 guy is Jonathan Cake?

IF and only if it's all about saving Earth from a reaper fleet - what about the rest of the Reapers?  Would seem kind of lame to build everything up just to fight one fleet of reapers attacking Earth.

No, I really hope the leaked game description was wrong and that taking Earth back is just an early chapter in the game, because it's the Galaxy that's at stake, not just Earth.  That's been the premise from the start, and unless Shep's a renegade, that's what she's fighting for.  

I get what you're saying, and I agree with your fears to a degree - I think it will be the END set on Earth, not the beginning. But that doesn't mean the Galaxy isnt at stake. The final levels of the game have to be set somewhere. It's not gonna be a RTS where you're moving fleets across the galactic map. They've already had the Battle for the Citadel in ME1, no point in going over that old ground. At the end of the day, whether Paragon or Renegade, Colonist or Earth-born - Earth is the home of Humanity, OUR race - the race whose destiny the series has always been about. If I'm going to save the galaxy one last time as Shepard - don't you think it'll be more emotionally impactful that the final hours will take place on Earth rather than Illium, or Palaven or Tuchanka?

I have not a shadow of a doubt that as well as some cool Earth time we'll be doing a ton of awesome missions on beautiful designed and art-directed worlds all across the galaxy.

[R3MUS]

Awesome trailer! I really hope we get to know EVERYTHING about the REAPERS. They are easily top 3 most badass villains ever in any videogame or movie! ****ing badass!



I cant wait for this game! Lets hope we get to know how the Reapers first came to be, and why they are doing this and.... everything!

[Shadedclan]

How will Shepard save Earth?! That's a monumental task for him. And I see him in the trailer and he still so cool. Still calm with death in his face. I'm just wondering how will they defeat the Reapers? I haven't actually played ME1 because I didn't knew the game before and when I try to buy one, I can't find any, anyway I know Sovereign was a tough **** to kill so how will the kill over 1000 or a million ****es?

[Tigerking]

This looks AWESOME. I seriously can't wait to learn more.
And for once, on the streets of London Town, there apparently IS a place for a Street Fighting Man (if my Shepard has anything to say about it)!
+10 cookies for if you get the reference.

Modifié par Tigerking, 13 décembre 2010 - 06:07 .

[SithLordExarKun]

AwesomeName wrote...



Who's saying that out of interest?  Since you're not naming names, it's hard not to assume that a lot of us who are offering constructive criticism/feedback are being targeted here...

I won't give names but alot of the people who "claim" to be giving "constructive critisicm" in reality are bashing the crap out of ME2 and turning a lot of the ME3 threads into "I hate ME2, it did this wrong, it did that wrong, its not an an RPG, bioware you suck balls OMGWTFBBQ J00SUXhAxXoRz!!!!1"

[demifiend]

I'm not going to read through fifty pages to see if this point has been made yet, but I will just make it here.
On the topic that the Reapers invading renders the entire point of the first story moot: In ME1, the Citadel races had no idea of any kind what Sovereign was capable of. Had it opened up the Citadel mass relay, it would have brought the entire Reaper fleet through into a galaxy that would not be able to comprehend the magnitude of the threat before they were annihilated. Defeating Sovereign did not end the Reaper threat (all four possible endings of the game blatantly inform us that the Reapers are still coming, unless Bioware suffers from collective madness and chooses not to franchise the first game), it simply bought the galaxy some time.

In the second game, several people seem aware of the danger posed by the Reapers. Beyond Cerberus, obviously, the turians seem interested in Sovereign's weaponry and surely know that "something is up". Admittedly, this is assumption on my part, but it leads into what I think was a major theme of ME2: investigation and adaptation. Several of the Normandy's major systems are reverse-engineered from Reaper technology. The game ends with you making a choice about whether or not to acquire more technology. You also acqure what I think will be the major plot element of the third game- the Reaper IFF.

It is stated (I believe by Vigil) that the Reapers take command all of the mass relays in the galaxy. What if this just means programming them to disallow any non-Reaper ship? This means that the Normandy, the only non-Reaper vessel in the galaxy, is able to use the relays, potentially copying the IFF program and allowing the other races' navies to use the relays in preparation for a final battle.

As for how the Reapers arrive in our galaxy, remember Haestrom? The star that is rapidly and abnormally decaying due to dark energy? Seeker swarms emit dark energy. Veetor said so, and Kal'Reegar confirmed it. The third novel taught us that dark energy is all but endemic to the Reapers, as Paul Grayson could suddenly use biotics upon being fused with Reaper technology. As the Citadel is described as being made of a very resilient material, perhaps they left their trump card mass relay in the core of Haestrom and the star is being destabilized as a result of the Reapers turning it on.

Give the third game a chance. I have faith that all of the questions will be answered.

Modifié par demifiend, 13 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[Atomic_Boom22]

This may have been answered already but what part of Earth is Shep looking at? I think it may be the Middle East near the Arabian Peninsula and Red Sea. Any help?

[yoomazir]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
 "I hate ME2, it did this wrong, it did that wrong, its not an an RPG, bioware you suck balls OMGWTFBBQ J00SUXhAxXoRz!!!!1"

Thank you, you couldn't have spoken more truthful than that.
Of course, I'm talking about that Bioware sucking balls and all that you 've so rightfully wrote.

Modifié par yoomazir, 13 décembre 2010 - 07:24 .

[Ghost lead]

You know maybe Earth was the first planet to be invaded by the Reapers, also yeah kinda odd since they could only use a mass relay to transport, but what about Mars? I mean yeah the Protheans built something there but remember their might be something on Mars that belonged to the Reapers, thus explaining the quick invasion, and also something that came to my mind, was that maybe the Reapers are hitting other parts of the galaxy starting from Earth and maybe possibly ending at Earth, it just depends on how we play it out in ME3.



also what surprised me was the ending of that trailer?? Shepard is in space, now if the reapers were attacking wouldn't they have full control over space or fighting in space against the alliance navy?



Also I thought they confirmed saying there will be more DLC to explain the small gap in ME2 to ME3?