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[Lord Jaric]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Lord Jaric wrote...

How about Africa being the final battle on Earth, the fight for the galaxy being where mankind began.

I would support this, but Bioware would be called out on it because this happened in Halo 3 (that sucktastic piece of crap).

Damn, I did not know that, not a first person shooter guy, only exprince I have with Halo is lan parties.

Do you want to involve the wrath of 20 million 8-year old fanboys <_<

I don't really like fanboys, so... bring it on.

[Lord Jaric]

pnsv wrote...

Is it me or does London look... normal. Like not futuristic like all the other planets and cities in Mass Effect? Their is a picture of Earth some where and it look like all the other Illiums and Citadels but I guess the trailer just shows the "historical" area of London. But the London Eye can be seen in the background, guess it powered by eezo too lol.

The towers in the distance look similar to the ones on Illium, I think that Parliament just stands out more then the other buildings and that is probably what is getting you confused.

[Blakes 7]

So this trailer isn't showing the very beginning of the game is it? I mean thats kinda quick - maybe midgame point - any confirmation?

[wookieeassassin]

I'll say this first: yes it is just a teaser, so everything in it may not perfectly fit with what happens in the game. I could just be one of those trailers to generate hype but nothing in the trailer actually is seen (like the British sniper). Also, please don't take anything I say to mean I hate the Mass Effect series or anything because that would be inaccurate.

What is accurate though is that while I loved the first two games, the overall plot and some of the smaller elements of that plot have made less and less sense to me as its gone on. At this point I'm still interesting in how the plot of the series will end, but I actually have more fun with just the gameplay (exploring, reading lore, talking to characters, little firefights) than what is going on with the story.

So now, here it goes.

Alright, we don't know if the Reapers just flew into the galaxy or not. If they did, then the Conduit and the Collectors and all of that didn't make much sense. If they figured out some other way to get a select few of them into the galaxy through some unknown means then fine.

I already went over this, and nobody commented on any of this at all before, but:

Reapers, or at least ones like Sovereign are dreadnoughts. http://masseffect.wi...ps#Dreadnoughts

Dreadnoughts are extremely powerful. Read about how much damage a single slug from a non-Reaper dreadnought is capable of, yes, 2.5 times the Hiroshima bombs. Earth defense from shields, etc. aside, a single Reaper like Sovereign could have just blown London to bits. The only thing that would've been able to stop a Reaper like Sovereign would likely be a dreadnought class weapon.

Second, the synopsis, whether accurate regarding the final product, says that you will rally forces to push back the Reapers from Earth and reclaim it. That makes Earth a focal point of the entire galaxy. I'm sure that Bioware won't make it all about Earth though, so I don't want to start crying foul yet. I don't see how Earth could be the start of the game though, it seems like its too important of a planet to be attacked right off. It isn't like it's Eden Prime or something, it's humanity's freakin' homeworld. That would be the most unexpected thing ever if Bioware had Earth destroyed in the first hour or two of the game. That would mean the Reapers mean **** business though.

Third, how is it that Shepard is the only one who can do anything against the Reapers? In the first game he was the only one because he received knowledge that helped at that point in time. In ME2 he shifted from being the right man in the right place to being the only one badass enough to fight the Collectors. Now, in ME3 it seems like they're making him the only badass in the galaxy who can help rally all the other species (yes, not just scattered groups of survivors or anything, but entire species) against the Reapers. I know the series is a space opera, but it just seems like its getting totally implausible (even for the game world) that Shepard is the only one that can do all this stuff that needs to be done.

I trust Bioware to not have the finale be like Independence Day, but I still can't really think of any other way for the galaxy to defeat the Reapers without a deus ex machina. Sovereign took out a large portion of the Citadel fleet (and some of the System Alliance's 5th fleet) by himself. His shields weren't even penetrated until a particular event happened (won't say it here cause its technically a spoiler, but if you haven't finished the first game by now then hurry the heck up!). Even if the Reapers don't disable the mass relays I still don't see a way it can be done with brute force.

I wish the Mass Effect series plot had been a bit more "science fiction-y", like the dark energy stuff that is going on with planet ******** in ME2 (again, spoilers, but if you've played you should know by now) and all the technology stuff that is discussed in the lore. Right now it's just "machines vs. organics in a battle to the death!"

Modifié par wookieeassassin, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Grumpy-Mcfart]

SQUEE

that is all

[Archonsg]

@Wookieassassin

Here's several reasons why the Reapers would prefer to use the Citadel as means of entry into the known universe and / or trap for sentients meant for harvesting.

First off, it is assumed / implied that every other galactic faring civilization that came before the advent of humanity found and used the Citadel as its base of power / government. This would mean the citadel also would be a very good source for the reapers to gather and get info on colonized planets and or planets with sentients. This alone would be a huge advantage to the reapers since they will *know* where concentrate their efforts on.

Second, just because the Reapers could travel from darkspace to innerspace does not mean they'd prefer to do so. Expenditure of energy and fuel for instance could have made the option of reapers traveling through "conventional" means a less preferred option but still an option none the less.

And of course, just the shock value of a fleet of monstrous ai non-biological beings hell bent on your destruction just popping up at your doorstep, would I think be of some tactical value apparent even to AI constructs.

As for why attack Earth?
Hell, I don't know. They probably did it all for the wookies.



ps:
GREAT TEASER!
Now, bring on the other good stuff, like ....companion character bio vids!

Modifié par Archonsg, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Ezohiguma]

Want. Now. Don't want to wait. Want. Now.



@Wookieassassin: 2.5 times the Hiroshima bomb isn't really much. Even by today's firepower.

[Britishpride]

HELL YES, been waiting for this for a long time. Shame London is getting obliterated, but for Queen and Country if there is a level set to save london i will be thanking bioware endlessly until the end lol.

Bring it on, just hope they can pull it off, Bioware have set them selves a high standard

[Daryst]

I second the above comment. Earth is important because you are human, but it should never be centered around them. All the actions sofar have been about the Galaxy. Choices in the end of ME1 in particulair and the relations you made in ME2 as well. Though choices you made along the way in both games may picture you as human centric or have an open mind about inter species relations. But the fate of the galaxy still rests in the inhabitants of said galaxy. Though certain people have more effect. Like TIM said in ME2. He could have made an entire army with the funds he used to bring Shepard back from the dead. He didn't do that because you are a symbol. Or to quote Miranda "A bloody Icon". And that is a very powerful tool. And that could be the reason why that Soldier in the teaser is refering to Shepard. A symbol of hope against the reapers.



Speaking of the teaser, I had a closer look at the moment he shot that creature (husk?) and it was not clear, but if you look closely at its hand, it almost seems like its missing fingers, though they have no bended knees (Turian and Quarian). Could they be home brewed shocktroops to fight and capture people? I dont see reapers using baskets like the Tri-pods from War of the Worlds. (Teaser reminded me of it though) Would be funny if they got defeated by a micro organism

[levannar]

To throw my two cents in about Earth's and the humans' importance to the Reapers: we might not be the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy, and one might argue that other species have just as good (if not better) genetic makeup (redundant Krogan organs, etc.). However, I'd say that we're developing the most dynamically. Throughout the games, it's always about humanity pushing its boundaries, getting an embassy on the Citadel faster than everyone else, getting a seat (if not four) in the Council a mere generation after joining Citadel space, and so on. That might make us better candidates to 'ascend', though I will say this is mostly speculation on my part as I can't remember the game elaborating on this. But think of it this way: if it truly takes centuries for the Reapers to wipe out the galaxy, it's only logical to start with the species that develops and adapts the quickest, and that's humanity (or at least humanity's the most powerful and significant of them, and therefore the most dangerous.)



Another reason for their interest is Shepard him/herself. It was Shepard who drew the Reapers' attention in the first game by defeating Saren and Sovereign--the Reapers did not go after humanity by default, at least that's not how I interpreted Sovereign's monologue. Whether you like it or not, it all comes down to this one person. As for why everyone's expecting Shepard to solve this new crisis, he/she /is/ known for fighting the Reapers for a long time, not to mention having a pretty impressive track record of overcoming near-impossible odds. It's pretty natural to turn to him/her in such a situation, as he/she is arguably the greatest expert on Reapers in the galaxy. Besides, as others have stated before me, Shepard's a symbol.



On another note, I don't think we know anything about just how fast Reapers can go. Or do we? Because, I for one don't see their 'sudden' arrival as such a big issue. According to Vigil, centuries might've passed since Sovereign first tried to activate the Citadel relay. Do you think the Reaper fleet was sitting around in dark space since then, waiting for something to happen? Of course, this was never directly stated in the game, but logic dictates they figured something was wrong (since they knew full well when Sovereign was supposed to let them in) and decided to set out using their own drive cores (spoiler: as seen at the end of ME2 when they're flying towards the galaxy). So no, they didn't reach the galaxy in one or two years, they were well on their way by ME2 and even ME1. Why there's a need for the Citadel relay then? Because even though they're technically immortal, I think it matters to them if they reach the galaxy in a hundred years or a few minutes. They might be low on energy by the time they arrive, and the element of surprise is also gone: they can't paralyze the entire galaxy by a quick strike on the Citadel, they might not even be able to shut down the relays without controlling the station. This gives us a much-needed fighting chance.



Anyway, I'm mostly speculating like everyone else. Sorry if someone already mentioned these points, I didn't have the energy to browse through the entire thread.

[Broxigar]

The creature that sniper killed, was collector ?

[Arua Shepard]

Broxigar wrote...

The creature that sniper killed, was collector ?

Husk perhaps?

[Daryst]

It is probably not a collector, :spoiler: they were taken care of at the end of ME2.



Reapers are probably able to communicate with each other. And Sovereign might have send out somekind of signal which got picked up by Harbringer, or it could have been send through the collectors them selves. How else would the Reapers get any information at all? It has been two years since the start of ME2. They were betting on there collectors to get them through this time, they failed so now they have to think of another way to get here. But it is save the say that they have been on the move since Sovereign started his quest to get to the Citadel. Because that was the moment they knew something was not right.



It is not known how big the gap is between ME2 and ME3 timewise, and I cannot remember to total time it took for Shepard to wakeup, till the end of ME2, but that was not done in the 40 hours that we played it... I think

[trelongxferris]

Bioware has done it again...can't wait for ME3.

in the mean time i have to actually play Dragon Age (Origins & Awakening), AND DAII in march...

[Arua Shepard]

Ghost lead wrote...

Can we give up the fact that Earth will be the whole main point of the game... geez we know that bioware wouldn't do that to make over 95% of the game based on just only Earth I mean for all we know that the whole galaxy gets pushed so far that Earth is the last place to hide and fight against the Reapers, for all we know that these invasions the reapers are doing is a all frontal attack creating multiple fonts for the galaxy to make careful and risky choices. But can we just accept the fact that Bioware wouldn't be stupid enough to make ME3 only about Earth and humanity

Wel Earth is going to be the final centerstage if i read the introduction correctly. Makes me curious what we have to do/explore before this batlle.

One thing is too important for me towards ME3, and thats ME1 and ME2. I hope Saren, the Geth and the Collectors battle wasn't for nothing. I mean how lame would it be if the Reapers found a easy way to innerspace while our Shepard did great heroic jobs during ME1 and 2, to prevent the Reapers from coming.

Achievements made in ME1 and 2 and the storylines from the books (David Anderson and teaming up with Kahlee Sanders to investigate Reaper technology) should have impact on how to battle the Reapers....

[Phaedon]

Notice how the teaser is called 'Earth'. I wouldn't be surprised if the next videos would be named 'Palaven' or 'Thessia'.

[Daryst]

Phaedon wrote...

Notice how the teaser is called 'Earth'. I wouldn't be surprised if the next videos would be named 'Palaven' or 'Thessia'.

Where did you saw that? I checked the ME3 sites from Bioware, but it justs talks about the new Trailer, not a specific title. I could be missing it though.

And what you said would be pretty sweet. To see the planets of other council races burning and there own struggles in surviving the onslaught of the Reapers.  Will sure make into a much grander theme.

[Werrf]

Phaedon wrote...

Notice how the teaser is called 'Earth'. I wouldn't be surprised if the next videos would be named 'Palaven' or 'Thessia'.

:: Shudder:: Dear god, I hope not...Shepard may be brilliant, but she's still essentially an infantry soldier, not a ship commander.  Having the Reapers spread out throughout the galaxy would have to massively increase the probability of having the whole thing resolved by a deus ex machina "Kill all Reapers" button.

OTOH, a stand-up battle between the assembled fleets of the sentient races of the galaxy and the Reapers that just happens to take place at Earth while the Reapers are busy Reaping...that would be Epic, and give Shepard a chance to actually affect the outcome.

Oh, and as for why the Reapers are landing, not nuking Earth from orbit, it's probably for the same reason farmers don't generally call in a saturation artillery bombardment to slaughter their cattle - they're not there to exterminate us, they're there to reap the harvest they've sown.  Destroying every trace of life on Earth would make it a little difficult for them to build a new Reaper from us, don't you think?

[lRavenl]

Why only earth though? it says: >

Don't get me wrong finally seeing earth is great, but if the main mission is going to be save earth. period. that won't be satisfying, hope they put in a grand battle between all worlds and the reapers. They reapers are supose to destroy everything in the galaxy, not just earth... and if sheppards stops them after they only attack earth, i meen come on, millions of years of older civilizations have failed, at what hes has done is one fight.
Anyways maybe i'm expressing myself poorly, but i just hope they put in a fight in which you see all of the galaxy.



lol just saw that you guys posted similar ideas >.<, o well

Modifié par lRavenl, 14 décembre 2010 - 01:41 .

[Broxigar]

Arua Shepard wrote...

Broxigar wrote...

The creature that sniper killed, was collector ?

Husk perhaps?

I don't know. maybe.

It's lokk like husk more than collector. what do you think ?

[Daryst]

Like I said before, my bet is on somekind of husk. Maybe they are indoctrinated people it self, but I dont think so. Takes to long to indoctrinate people.



The collectors are done. That was part of ME2. Husks have always been around. Its reaper tech. Also the way it moved in the trailer was a bit of a zombie like motion. Just like the husks. And colleactors always had weapons with them.

[Phaedon]

Daryst wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Notice how the teaser is called 'Earth'. I wouldn't be surprised if the next videos would be named 'Palaven' or 'Thessia'.

Where did you saw that? I checked the ME3 sites from Bioware, but it justs talks about the new Trailer, not a specific title. I could be missing it though.

And what you said would be pretty sweet. To see the planets of other council races burning and there own struggles in surviving the onslaught of the Reapers.  Will sure make into a much grander theme.

masseffect.bioware.com

[Hasse0]

I hope Bioware get Faunts back to do the credit song again. Though looks promising I just hope we don't spend to much time on earth. I know it's a main thing but I do like the sci fi aspect of going to other planets and places we are not all familiar with in Mass Effect