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IrishGunman wrote...

Anyone got an idea of the name of the sniper?

It´s I.C. Wiener.

...or James.

JoePinasi1989 wrote...
I think it's a turian husk.


I agree.

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adam_grif wrote...

They may be able to generate their own wormholes or something. I mean, hey, they built the relays, right?


So what was the point of the first two games again?


Maybe they found a way to do so, I mean remember Sovereign claims that the cycle cannot be broken and they had done it many times... they had all means to get cocky at this point then Shepard and company come along and **** on there plans.... you'd think if they where such advance machines it would have been smart and logical to have Back up plans... otherwise they'd be pretty stupid machines

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Babli wrote...

JoePinasi1989 wrote...
I think it's a turian husk.


I agree.



No, after examining Daryst's shots as well (this one and tihs one to be more specific), I've concluded that it's actually a simple human husk. There are no spikes on the head or on the feet, and the lack of a human shape can be attributed to the simple fact that husks are drained of life.

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However they got there, i'll bet it had something to do with all the dark energy references in ME2.



It'll be funny if one of the most inconsequential things in ME2 turns out to be a major plot device for ME3.

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Another thing I noticed in the trailer.



You see two types of "aircraft". There's the standard assault-ship but there seems to be a second type of "jet-fighter" which flies by during the opening "OMG REAPERS" shot. They also seem to be present as the third Reaper descends from the sky.

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JoePinasi1989 wrote...

Babli wrote...

JoePinasi1989 wrote...
I think it's a turian husk.


I agree.



No, after examining Daryst's shots as well (this one and tihs one to be more specific), I've concluded that it's actually a simple human husk. There are no spikes on the head or on the feet, and the lack of a human shape can be attributed to the simple fact that husks are drained of life.


Actually I think the first picture you showed is just a human running away, then again I think this maybe be a race we havent seen, but whats going in my my mind is shepards visions of the reapers in ME1, you couldn't really tell what they were, but in ME2 (spolier) when Shepard got his second vision finding prothean technology, you saw a collector trying to way from something that kinda looked like that thing that the British sniper took out. So maybe its some kind of reaper "infantry" though I dont know, personally it could be a batarian or a Vorcha being mind controlled by a reaper?!?!?

Then again this could be another race that works with the reapers cause remember what Legion said that the Old Machines are getting allies.

then again that would suck because if thats a Turian then I would laugh if he accidently shot Garrus.

Modifié par Ghost lead, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:57 .


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I still can't believe this is so Earth-centered. It implies so in the synopsis of the entire game. I'm trying to get real psyched and overlook it, but I can't. What the heck did stupid Mac Walters do??? This is going to ruin the series, and I'm bummed about it.



Resistance. Halo. Independence Day. And pretty much any other alien game/movie ever made. Oh no...aliens are coming. Omg...I have to save Earth!!! A boring, stupid blue planet we live on our entire lives. Knowing I need to rescue earth takes so much away from the rest of the galaxy. Yeah, a mission or being able to explore on Earth? Legitimate. Not the main plot and objective. Yea, you saved earth guys...btw you win, invasion over. Sure, there will be more explanation, but....Halo, anybody?? It's so unbelievable and sad.



Many people cry foul by saying that we don't know enough about the game, and we need to be patient. Fair enough. But have a little pride and recognition of what this beautiful story's main storyline is about:



Stop a cycle of systematic eradication by machine gods who are beyond our comprehension and views life as mere bacteria, mere crops for harvesting.



And, oh goody, you get to save Earth for the 379031793 time?



And you are mad at us for complaining, huh? Maybe you are ok with a fail of a main storyline for ME3, but me and many, many, many, many others are not.



I hope Adam Sessler points it out publicly and questions it. It is a major and serious concern for fans of this series. I love this series, absolutely love it, and I was prepared to throw any amount it cost for the uber collective edition. But unless I'm given a very clear indication this isn't earth or humanity centered, I will not even preorder this game. The first gamei didn't in this series. The makers may think "yeah right, he will", but knowing that is the probable perception, I literally, actually, in reality, will not




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As much as I like the idea of fighting to save earth, it seems a bit insignificant compared the saving the galaxy...

Makes sense for renegade pro-human shep, not so much for paragon pro-all-species shep.

Still, bioware is awesome and prolly have a really good reason for the earth taking priority.

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Commandant Bob wrote...

There are so many possible ways for the game to end badly...
1. OMGZ DUDZ I FOUND THIS KEWL ANTI-REAPER VIRUS!
2. The Reapers canibalized themselves to get to the Milky way so they are weak enough to be beaten by the combined species.
3. Shepard finds some dark magic-I mean energy weapon that even the Reapers can't resist.
It must be hard to have to come up with a GOOD ending.


Honestly. I'd prefer to see any of these plot devices rather than simply seeing a recycled version of DA: Origins' "Gather an Army" plot. I loved it in DA, but I don't want to do it again in another Bioware game. Considering what we know about the Reapers, I doubt gathering a fleet would make much sense anyway, since it took three fleets to destroy one Reaper (Sovereign, ME1) and the total number of Reapers is very likely in the thousands. So three fleets per Reaper * 1000 * n (n - the number of thousands of Reapers) = total number of fleets needed. Sounds a bit far fetched, doesn't it? I'd much rather discover the origin of the Reapers and by doing that find a weakness/weapon/killswitch/whatever that could help defeat them.

Modifié par DrIggy, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .


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Could be interesting if one of the big decisions was "do you save Earth, or sacrifice it to save the rest of the galaxy?"

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Terror_K wrote...

Could be interesting if one of the big decisions was "do you save Earth, or sacrifice it to save the rest of the galaxy?"


or the options to let a entire race be eliminated to save certian things or other races

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you but sorry,



these reapers, from which emerge now? from the base of the collectors saved?



eh... is the choice to save the base, so no need for the technology of the collectors, rather to give an excuse not to destroy the portal of omega-4.



Yes, if one has decided to destroy the base of collectors, why not also destroy the omega-4 single portal access to space dark?

the citadel, is no longer a problem because blocked in the previous chapter? whence came the reapers? took the long way?



I sincerely hope that this third chapter does not spoil the whole saga....already are falling increasingly on the trivial, obvious, and without prospects.




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ShamieGTX wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

They may be able to generate their own wormholes or something. I mean, hey, they built the relays, right?


So what was the point of the first two games again?


Maybe they found a way to do so, I mean remember Sovereign claims that the cycle cannot be broken and they had done it many times... they had all means to get cocky at this point then Shepard and company come along and **** on there plans.... you'd think if they where such advance machines it would have been smart and logical to have Back up plans... otherwise they'd be pretty stupid machines


Remember Tali's recruitment mission and th star that was experiencing a build up of dark energy? That will open up the wormhole allowing the Reapers through. That or  the Collector base if you kept it.

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sympathy4saren wrote...

I still can't believe this is so Earth-centered. It implies so in the synopsis of the entire game. I'm trying to get real psyched and overlook it, but I can't. What the heck did stupid Mac Walters do??? This is going to ruin the series, and I'm bummed about it.

Resistance. Halo. Independence Day. And pretty much any other alien game/movie ever made. Oh no...aliens are coming. Omg...I have to save Earth!!! A boring, stupid blue planet we live on our entire lives. Knowing I need to rescue earth takes so much away from the rest of the galaxy. Yeah, a mission or being able to explore on Earth? Legitimate. Not the main plot and objective. Yea, you saved earth guys...btw you win, invasion over. Sure, there will be more explanation, but....Halo, anybody?? It's so unbelievable and sad.

Many people cry foul by saying that we don't know enough about the game, and we need to be patient. Fair enough. But have a little pride and recognition of what this beautiful story's main storyline is about:

Stop a cycle of systematic eradication by machine gods who are beyond our comprehension and views life as mere bacteria, mere crops for harvesting.

And, oh goody, you get to save Earth for the 379031793 time?

And you are mad at us for complaining, huh? Maybe you are ok with a fail of a main storyline for ME3, but me and many, many, many, many others are not.

I hope Adam Sessler points it out publicly and questions it. It is a major and serious concern for fans of this series. I love this series, absolutely love it, and I was prepared to throw any amount it cost for the uber collective edition. But unless I'm given a very clear indication this isn't earth or humanity centered, I will not even preorder this game. The first gamei didn't in this series. The makers may think "yeah right, he will", but knowing that is the probable perception, I literally, actually, in reality, will not



Yes, this is exactly how I feel.  After being disappointed with ME2 where you spent the entire game recruiting team members for one final mission, I'm really feeling ME3 will be just as disappointing.  Already, the EA description of says that you have to "rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth."  ME2 much (the part about spending the whole game for one final mission)? 

Then there's the whole plot being centered around Earth and humans.

I liked 1 enough, but I sure as heck am not an inconditionnal fan.  I criticize, I analyze, and I allow myself to have an opinion.  If it does turn out the game will center solely on saving humankind and Earth, it'll be without me.  I am not some blind fan who will buy everything and anything Bioware puts out.

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ReveurIngenu wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

I still can't believe this is so Earth-centered. It implies so in the synopsis of the entire game. I'm trying to get real psyched and overlook it, but I can't. What the heck did stupid Mac Walters do??? This is going to ruin the series, and I'm bummed about it.

Resistance. Halo. Independence Day. And pretty much any other alien game/movie ever made. Oh no...aliens are coming. Omg...I have to save Earth!!! A boring, stupid blue planet we live on our entire lives. Knowing I need to rescue earth takes so much away from the rest of the galaxy. Yeah, a mission or being able to explore on Earth? Legitimate. Not the main plot and objective. Yea, you saved earth guys...btw you win, invasion over. Sure, there will be more explanation, but....Halo, anybody?? It's so unbelievable and sad.

Many people cry foul by saying that we don't know enough about the game, and we need to be patient. Fair enough. But have a little pride and recognition of what this beautiful story's main storyline is about:

Stop a cycle of systematic eradication by machine gods who are beyond our comprehension and views life as mere bacteria, mere crops for harvesting.

And, oh goody, you get to save Earth for the 379031793 time?

And you are mad at us for complaining, huh? Maybe you are ok with a fail of a main storyline for ME3, but me and many, many, many, many others are not.

I hope Adam Sessler points it out publicly and questions it. It is a major and serious concern for fans of this series. I love this series, absolutely love it, and I was prepared to throw any amount it cost for the uber collective edition. But unless I'm given a very clear indication this isn't earth or humanity centered, I will not even preorder this game. The first gamei didn't in this series. The makers may think "yeah right, he will", but knowing that is the probable perception, I literally, actually, in reality, will not



Yes, this is exactly how I feel.  After being disappointed with ME2 where you spent the entire game recruiting team members for one final mission, I'm really feeling ME3 will be just as disappointing.  Already, the EA description of says that you have to "rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth."  ME2 much (the part about spending the whole game for one final mission)? 

Then there's the whole plot being centered around Earth and humans.

I liked 1 enough, but I sure as heck am not an inconditionnal fan.  I criticize, I analyze, and I allow myself to have an opinion.  If it does turn out the game will center solely on saving humankind and Earth, it'll be without me.  I am not some blind fan who will buy everything and anything Bioware puts out.


Ya, ME1 had alot more plot and meat to how things unfolded. MeE2 was ike: "Oh no, evil mysterious race of aliens" then "OH, it turns out the used to be protheans" then "Hey, their base is in the center of the galaxy. It was all a build up to the ending mission. ME 1 gave you strands of the story to uncover over that led to a big mission. But that wasn't the final mission.

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If this whole Universe (never mind the Milky Way) only contains one planet with life on it, then you're living on it.

Stop bleating about Earth being the focus of ME3, it's the only non-fictional location, which gives the fantasy more credibility and believability.

"runs"

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Em23 wrote...

As much as I like the idea of fighting to save earth, it seems a bit insignificant compared the saving the galaxy...
Makes sense for renegade pro-human shep, not so much for paragon pro-all-species shep.
Still, bioware is awesome and prolly have a really good reason for the earth taking priority.


If you defeat the Reapers on Earth, then you ARE saving the rest of the galaxy. It's not like the Reapers are just going to stop with Earth.

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sympathy4saren wrote...

I still can't believe this is so Earth-centered. It implies so in the synopsis of the entire game. I'm trying to get real psyched and overlook it, but I can't. What the heck did stupid Mac Walters do??? This is going to ruin the series, and I'm bummed about it.

Resistance. Halo. Independence Day. And pretty much any other alien game/movie ever made. Oh no...aliens are coming. Omg...I have to save Earth!!! A boring, stupid blue planet we live on our entire lives. Knowing I need to rescue earth takes so much away from the rest of the galaxy. Yeah, a mission or being able to explore on Earth? Legitimate. Not the main plot and objective. Yea, you saved earth guys...btw you win, invasion over. Sure, there will be more explanation, but....Halo, anybody?? It's so unbelievable and sad.

Many people cry foul by saying that we don't know enough about the game, and we need to be patient. Fair enough. But have a little pride and recognition of what this beautiful story's main storyline is about:

Stop a cycle of systematic eradication by machine gods who are beyond our comprehension and views life as mere bacteria, mere crops for harvesting.

And, oh goody, you get to save Earth for the 379031793 time?

And you are mad at us for complaining, huh? Maybe you are ok with a fail of a main storyline for ME3, but me and many, many, many, many others are not.

I hope Adam Sessler points it out publicly and questions it. It is a major and serious concern for fans of this series. I love this series, absolutely love it, and I was prepared to throw any amount it cost for the uber collective edition. But unless I'm given a very clear indication this isn't earth or humanity centered, I will not even preorder this game. The first gamei didn't in this series. The makers may think "yeah right, he will", but knowing that is the probable perception, I literally, actually, in reality, will not

Bioware already planned out the serious since1, so Drew is as much at blame as Mac.

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So ME3 comes to london, stops by my university, pulls me out of cryo and I become the anti reaper plot device. hell yeah. =D

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If you defeat the Reapers on Earth, then you ARE saving the rest of the galaxy. It's not like the Reapers are just going to stop with Earth.


You keep saying that as if it makes the idea of making the whole game about saving Earth okay*...  How would stopping them at Earth stop them from invading elsewhere?  Do they bring their mothership that controls all the others reapers with them, which we then upload with a Jeff Goldblum taylored haxor virus to destroy?  Because that's obviously not a cliche.

I like the idea of visiting Earth, I like the idea of Earth being targeted by the Reapers, but I don't like the idea of the whole game focussing on saving Earth, even IF it's to save everyone else.  I'm hoping several planets are being hit by the Reapers from all fronts, and the final battle to stop them will take place at a location fitting the galactic stage and not Earth.  Again, happy we're dealing with Earth - it makes things a bit more personal, yes - but not liking the idea that saving the galaxy will feel supplemental to saving humanity.  Saving galactic civilisation should feel primary as it did in ME1, and I hope this won't be a step down from that.

*again, I have no idea if this is what ME3 will be about - I hope it's not - but the game description doesn't exactly give me hope.

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This is how I see it going down
1. Only Earth gets attacked
2. Because Earth is the only one being attacked you are able to visit other planets and recruit races
3. Once you have recruited everybody and done what you need to, the reapers spread to other planets.

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Just once I'd like to go to a human colony that wasn't enslaved/destroyed.

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I like the idea of Earth being targeted by the Reapers, too: in the first minute of the game....completely destroying it so we won't have to see it the rest of the game.






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I see two possible scenarios for how this will end:



1) Shepard wakes up in 1950 and realizes it was all one long-ass nightmare.



2) You find out that the Reapers are really just the toys of a child of a godlike species and its parents come and stop him.

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You keep saying that as if it makes the idea of making the whole game about saving Earth okay*...  How would stopping them at Earth stop them from invading elsewhere?  

Because Earth would be a place tying up the Reaper fleet.  This makes it a choke point, a single place where you can go to destroy ALL the Reapers at once.  Thus, y'know...saving the galaxy?  There's no way the final battle would be about driving the Reapers off to another world, except perhaps as a Renegade option.  It would be an anticlimactic end to the series.  It would either end with wiping them out, perhaps by finding out what it was about killing Saren that took down Sovereign's shields, or by driving them back into Dark Space, ending this cycle prematurely.  Either way, stop them at Earth because that's where they are.  The whole fleet, gathered in one place...

Unless, of course, it's not the whole Reaper fleet, in which case what's the problem??