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[Schwadragon]

AwesomeName wrote...

Schwadragon wrote...

If you defeat the Reapers on Earth, then you ARE saving the rest of the galaxy. It's not like the Reapers are just going to stop with Earth.

You keep saying that as if it makes the idea of making the whole game about saving Earth okay*...  How would stopping them at Earth stop them from invading elsewhere?  Do they bring their mothership that controls all the others reapers with them, which we then upload with a Jeff Goldblum taylored haxor virus to destroy?  Because that's obviously not a cliche.

I like the idea of visiting Earth, I like the idea of Earth being targeted by the Reapers, but I don't like the idea of the whole game focussing on saving Earth, even IF it's to save everyone else.  I'm hoping several planets are being hit by the Reapers from all fronts, and the final battle to stop them will take place at a location fitting the galactic stage and not Earth.  Again, happy we're dealing with Earth - it makes things a bit more personal, yes - but not liking the idea that saving the galaxy will feel supplemental to saving humanity.  Saving galactic civilisation should feel primary as it did in ME1, and I hope this won't be a step down from that.

*again, I have no idea if this is what ME3 will be about - I hope it's not - but the game description doesn't exactly give me hope.

There are a few different ways. The most simple way would be that the bulk of the Reaper fleet is on Earth, and by defeating them there* you cripple the invasion, and the rest becomes a mop-up job. Or it could be something else; I don't know yet because so far we've only had a minute-long trailer and a three-sentence synopsis,  which isn't enough information for me to even begin to start worrying.

Also, with regard to Earth not being an appropriate place for a final battle:

1. We've known since ME2 that the Reapers have a special interest in humanity, so I don't know why everyone's acting all surprised that they remain interested in humanity, or that they would want attack Earth.

2. We don't know that Earth is where the final battle takes place. I'm actually leaning towards no right now, just because if it were the final battle that would mean that Bioware seemingly spoiled the ending with the announcement trailer.

*I don't know how the Reapers will be defeated. It COULD be something lame, like uploading a virus, but I think it's goofy to go around assuming that at this point. I don't think you're assuming that, necessarily, but some others seem to have been.

[xlavaina]

Awesome. Can't wait!!!

[Pwner1323]

In ME2 we knew from the beginning where the final battle would take place, and that didn't ruin the ending. It's what takes place there, not where.

[Werrf]

AwesomeName wrote...
I like that you seem to think I don't get that.  I do, and it actually forms the basis of the point that I was making - that it's such an obvious and cliched way to write the whole thing.  And it would be silly.  Why would they send their entire fleet there?

Because, as Mass Effect 2 demonstrated, that's where their objective is.  Their purpose is to harvest humans and turn them into a Reaper.  Killing everyone else comes later to prevent the next generation from knowing about the Reapers.

AwesomeName wrote...
Why would they be that daft?  Why would they make it that simple for you to destroy them all in one fell swoop?

Because they've tried twice already, and both times humans have stopped them.  In the second game, they showed and inordinate interest in Shepard specifically, Harbinger ordering that Shepard should be preserved if possible.  Our species has the attention of those infinitely our greater, and a massive, all-out offensive to take out the heart of the one species that has stood up to them this time makes perfect sense, both in terms of their breeding strategy, and militarily, by wiping out their greatest opponents before moving on.

Honestly, story-wise, I'm not sure what a sensible alternative would be.  Splitting the Reaper fleet up will mean each body of Reapers having to be destroyed separately, each time by the actions of one commando on foot, which would utterly shred their credibility as villains.  Taking them all out at once avoids villain decay by not letting us get used to the idea of Reapers being casually destroyed.  

[The-Person]

Werrf wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...
I like that you seem to think I don't get that.  I do, and it actually forms the basis of the point that I was making - that it's such an obvious and cliched way to write the whole thing.  And it would be silly.  Why would they send their entire fleet there?

Because, as Mass Effect 2 demonstrated, that's where their objective is.  Their purpose is to harvest humans and turn them into a Reaper.  Killing everyone else comes later to prevent the next generation from knowing about the Reapers.

AwesomeName wrote...
Why would they be that daft?  Why would they make it that simple for you to destroy them all in one fell swoop?

Because they've tried twice already, and both times humans have stopped them.  In the second game, they showed and inordinate interest in Shepard specifically, Harbinger ordering that Shepard should be preserved if possible.  Our species has the attention of those infinitely our greater, and a massive, all-out offensive to take out the heart of the one species that has stood up to them this time makes perfect sense, both in terms of their breeding strategy, and militarily, by wiping out their greatest opponents before moving on.

Honestly, story-wise, I'm not sure what a sensible alternative would be.  Splitting the Reaper fleet up will mean each body of Reapers having to be destroyed separately, each time by the actions of one commando on foot, which would utterly shred their credibility as villains.  Taking them all out at once avoids villain decay by not letting us get used to the idea of Reapers being casually destroyed.  

We don't know if that was their goal, it could be that the reapers were just making the human reaper to replace sovereign.

[Ziggy]

AwesomeName wrote...
Do you think I have a problem with the Reapers invading Earth at all?  I've said otherwise.  As I've already said - if they are attacking several planets at once, and the focus of the whole game is not on saving Earth but the whole galaxy, and we feel that it's the latter that's at stake above all else, I will be happy.

I agree with this.
So long as it's not a case of putting human lives first as in "Omg earth is being attacked! Drop everything and get over there!" I'm happy too.

[CmdrShepardsGirl]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

**** the haters, this is exactly what I needed to get pumped about ME3.

I totally agree  Roll on 2011 'tis the year for Bioware  now if you'll excuse me i'll be starting another game of ME while i wait

[wookieeassassin]

This isn't entirely on topic, but 2011 looks like it is going to rock for games. The new Batman game Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Portal 2, etc. Wow.

[MisterDyslexo]

wookieeassassin wrote...

This isn't entirely on topic, but 2011 looks like it is going to rock for games. The new Batman game Arkham City, Mass Effect 3, Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Portal 2, etc. Wow.

There's a thread for that too

http://social.biowar...index/5435194/3

[Dioryche]

Reapers are heading to earth, along the way they're reaping other planets and races. Shepard must persuade other races to come to earths aid. ( now this has to do with the choices you made with other races in ME1 and 2 ) Did you tell the Migrant Fleet to go to war with the Geth, did you save the three races on the council etc. Final battle on earth and who helps you is who you could persuade in ME3. GAME OVER!

[rennat24]

I cant help but wonder, will we be able to go hardcore renegade and side with the reapers?

[wookieeassassin]

No, because the Reapers will just end up drinking your brain through a straw.

[MisterDyslexo]

Yeah this isn't exactly like KOTOR. A line from Garrus really sums up the ME series:
"Its so easy to see the world in black and white. Gray, I don't know what to do with gray."

Pretty much everything you do is morally ambiguous. You never are the super-good guy or super-bad guy. Everything is pretty much within context of the action. A good example in the real world is the US soldier who gave "Collateral Murder" to WikiLeaks. This is far from a black-and-white issue. He didn't do it to destroy the US, or to completely abide-by the peoples' best interests. He was in emotional distress and did something that was emotionally charged, and had good intentions for the public by doing a bad thing. Does that make him an evil coward, a scumbag traitor who should be "lynched and shown up on parade around the country for wanthing to do harm to its people". Does he deserve the medal like his hometown is giving him?

Nothing's really good or bad, just charged by motivations and human emotional (or error if you like being a robot), and every major decision leaves wiggle room for both types of motivations. Its one of the things that makes Mass Effect a popular game-it reflects reality and challenges your own morality and way of thinking.

So back on topic, there is no real "good" way of siding with the reapers. Saren tried, but Bioware abandoned that, refuting that life without liberty is worse than death.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 15 décembre 2010 - 06:29 .

[wookieeassassin]

Actually, Bioware has made it pretty clear that the Reapers would only use allies for as long as they were useful and then they would probably still kill them. There is no option of being slaves or whatever and staying alive as you are.

[MisterDyslexo]

wookieeassassin wrote...

Actually, Bioware has made it pretty clear that the Reapers would only use allies for as long as they were useful and then they would probably still kill them. There is no option of being slaves or whatever and staying alive as you are.

That too. But thats only if you don't look into it for a deeper meaning, aka renegade shep

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 15 décembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[Wildecker]

I'd really, really not want an armada of Turian, Salarian and Asari warships (and whomever else Shepard manages to rally) sit in high orbit and rain shipkiller missiles at Sovereign-like superdreadnoughts that are hovering above large population centres.

Modifié par Wildecker, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:19 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Resistance. Halo. Independence Day. And pretty much any other alien game/movie ever made. Oh no...aliens are coming. Omg...I have to save Earth!!! A boring, stupid blue planet we live on our entire lives. Knowing I need to rescue earth takes so much away from the rest of the galaxy. Yeah, a mission or being able to explore on Earth? Legitimate. Not the main plot and objective. Yea, you saved earth guys...btw you win, invasion over. Sure, there will be more explanation, but....Halo, anybody?? It's so unbelievable and sad.

Independance tay tok palce on Earth - there was no other planets. What the ell did you expect?
Some of these complaints is redicolous. Waht the heck is wrong with Earth? It's a planet like any other. More importantly, it's our homeworld. The economic, cultural and military nerve center of humanity. Of course it's going to be cruical.

How does the battle taking place on planet XZ-64 make hte story any better? By what virtue? Because it's alien? Bollocks. How does a different ground texture or differetn planets make the battle better? It doesn't. TI's all in your head.

Besides, this isn't the Earth you and I know. This is future Earth. So it will look different.

And, oh goody, you get to save Earth THE UNIVERSE for the 379031793 time?

fixed that for you. In how many games do you save the galaxy (or the whole known world). Thousands. So how is that any more innovative or less cliche?

I happen to like Earth...and the idea of fighting on it. Ruined forever? Yeah right...<_<

I hope Adam Sessler points it out publicly and questions it. It is a
major and serious concern for fans of this series. I love this series,
absolutely love it, and I was prepared to throw any amount it cost for
the uber collective edition. But unless I'm given a very clear
indication this isn't earth or humanity centered, I will not even
preorder this game.[

Major and serious concern? Don' make me laugh...

The huamn slurpie terminator-reaper is a serious concenr... This is nothing.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:45 .

[WrexEffex]

I'd bet that if your Shepard died at the end of ME2, you play as the British guy in the teaser.

[Orion55]

Not that I really care about any of this, but we already saved the galaxy in ME1. Maybe its time for the "Earth is doomed, and you're the only one who can save it" scenario. It has yet to be done within the ME context.

[Fancando]

After colonization and expansion, Earth is another planet of The Alliance, one with emotional value mind you, but with colonies existing, Earth's value is limited, its resources have been probably 80% used up by the date ME starts and The Reapers probably want to invade because of the emotional impact it will have on Shepard and the humans they can harvest. It is a beachhead to them, and a good one at that.

[diakrite]

London ey? Looks like the final revenge from the French-Canadians there.. (Bioware Montreal finally defeats the Brits for good....... )

Modifié par diakrite, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:11 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

No, not really.

Earth has the biggest population and 3000+ years of head start. There's no way any colony will match that. The same would hold true for the homeworld of any space-faring species.

The infrastructure, culture and industrial/ecomonical capacity will be at it's highest here, for obvious reasons - logic, practiciality, common sense.

[Orion55]

diakrite wrote...

London ey? Looks like the final revenge from the French-Canadians there..[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] (Bioware Montreal finally defeats the Brits for good..[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]..... )

OMG! Shepherd has to save the Queen!!!

Modifié par Orion55, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[Fancando]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, not really.
Earth has the biggest population and 3000+ years of head start. There's no way any colony will match that. The same would hold true for the homeworld of any space-faring species.
The infrastructure, culture and industrial/ecomonical capacity will be at it's highest here, for obvious reasons - logic, practiciality, common sense.

It is the command center by logic but I have a feeling that command has moved to safety by the time the game starts, they are always the first to leave when invasions begin.