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[ReveurIngenu]

levannar wrote...

All right, to all the people complaining about Earth being in the trailer. As you say, you have the right to form an opinion. But please do consider that this is the first teaser trailer, and we have an entire year to go before the game comes out. Saying 'OMG They RUINED it I won't buy this crap!!!!' at this point is pretty ridiculous. Don't tell me you didn't expect Earth to be crucial in the endgame. Or if you did, perhaps take a look at the first two games again. We did not play as a turian, asari, salarian, elcor, volus, quarian, etc. We played as a HUMAN. Meaning, Earth holds a greater emotional value in the story than any other planet, whether you like it or not. Also, what's this about 'humans suddenly became the focus of the series'?

When we first set out in ME1, we were hunting a rogue Spectre who was supposedly trying to wipe out humanity. Then, as the story progressed, we learned that the entire galaxy was at stake. In ME2, we were trying to stop the Collectors, who were abducting HUMAN colonists. Not asari, not turian. Yet again, we later learned about their true motives and that they were a danger to the entire galaxy. Notice a pattern? It has always been about humans.

Also, I hate to break this to all those who claim that they're making the game better by complaining, but that is not true. What you do when jumping to the conclusion that the game's a piece of crap after seeing a one-minute footage that, judging by the tendency so far, probably isn't even taken directly from the game, is NOT constructive criticism. It is called flaming. The devs won't learn anything new when they read that--they already know they can't appeal to everyone.

And don't tell me that you hate that Earth will be the focus of the game until you know for a fact that it's really so. If I showed you a Star Wars trailer that has only footage from Tattooine, will you conclude that the entire 2+ hours of the movie take place there? If I showed you some Eden Prime footage from ME1 would you think the entire game is only about defending some no-name human colony? Do try to be just a little more reasonable.

And before anyone accuses me of blindly worshiping Bioware, I do not. There were things I didn't like in ME2, there are things I don't like in the news about DA2. But I reserve judgement until I start playing the game, and that method has payed off so far. It also helpes if you have realistic expectations. Saves you a lot of disappointment in life.

And again, we're not just going on from the trailer, but also EA's description of the game, which frankly, leaves little doubt as to how the game and trilogy will end.  Here's the description again, just so I can point out certain details:

"Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying
machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander
Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to
rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to
take back the Earth."

So what?  Are you going to rally the galaxy to launch one final mission to take back Earth, then keep playing and launch yet another mission to save the galaxy or other planets?  I really don't see how the game could not end with saving Earth after such a clear and precise description of the game!

Meaning yes, EA most likely has taken the decision to make Earth the central focus of ME3, even if you do have to go around the galaxy "rallying" the other races leading up to the Earth-centered conclusion!

I think the reason I really hope I am wrong is that I really feel that saving Earth really should not be the main, final mission.  I mean, what is so special about Earth?  And why do the Reaper's seem so weak?  One Reaper almost took out the Citedal.  The entire Citadel forces and Shepard had to all work together just to stop one single Reaper at the end of ME1 (which still resulted in large casualties), and now, we have so many reapers in the trailer and they can't even take out one puny planet (for a race that's been capable of annihilating so many advanced species in the past, that just doesn't make any sense)?

Of course I'll wait to see more before making a final judgement.  But I feel that waiting to see more is almost going to be synonymous with disappointment.  I strongly feel that based on what we have seen so far, that the game will be primarily centered around (saving) humans and Earth (even if the Reapers plan to destroy the other races after destroying the humans, it still means that humans will be the only ones threatened in ME3, and I just don't see what reasoning could have made the Reapers only focus on the humans).

[Raptorman]

AwesomeName wrote...

Simon Pegg says it isn't him.

p.s. no love for the Will Ferrel clip??  Lame.

Ah i didnt know that. Anyway why is Will Ferrel only wearing underwear??   
Funny tho

[sympathy4saren]

Here is what still gives me chills. The first game had a "story trailer" voiced by David Keith. Thus it begins:



"The scope of organic life is unimaginable. An astronomical civilization spans the galaxy. But as we reach for the farthest of stars, total annihilation is upon us."



The focus? All organic life.

[sympathy4saren]

ReveurIngenu....



I agree 100%

[m deezy]

i agree with reveur completly. if the entire focus is just to save earth it'll be stupid. theres so many races in mass effect to focus on the homeworld of one wouldnt be right.



but on a happyer note, the trailer was badass and i cnt wait to kick some ass!!!

[chucktheduck]

Perhaps it will be like ME1? Where it only tells the first thing, but it goes deeper...

[AusShep]

People complaining about Earth in ME3 seem to have not really thought this through.

As a dev said (I think maybe Chris?), we have seen 1 minute of a trailer, that is all. And yes, the EA listing does seem to center around earth, but when you try to distill a 30+ hour experience into about 5 lines, you're going to leave a LOT out.

Also, for all the (IMO unnecessary) negativity toward ME2's plot, Bioware are bloody good writers and story tellers. The series has been building up to this from the get go. The first shot of ME1 is of Shep looking at Earth. Saren is originally considered a threat because he is targeting humans, who have proven to be infamous in their rapid rise in status and power since joining the council. On Eletania (spelling) we uncover proof of Prothean observation and study of humans, suggesting the possibility of their intervention in our evolution.

In ME2, the Collectors are attacking remote human colonies, are planning to attack Earth, and hope to construct a human Reaper. Notice a pattern here?

Sorry to seem blunt, but from a narrative standpoint, the Reapers attacking Earth is a logical choice for ME3. Quit your whining, at least till we know more.

[Annihilator27]

Im confused, I thought the Turian Counselor dissmissed these guys. How are they here?

[sympathy4saren]

Do people who become frustrated at fans terrified and sad about the focus of Mass Effect 3 honestly believe those individuals, which includes myself, have no idea about where humanity fits into all of this? Furthermore, do these defenders of the Earth-centric plot believe we have no grasp of the story?

First of all, the story itself is molded and tailored in many different directions, based upon the action the player takes. Obviously. But the main plot of the story is clear, and is revealed on Virmire when talking to Sovereign for the first time. That plot?

That there is a realm of existence far beyond our own, and we cannot comprehend it. A race of synthetic machines, so powerful in their being, so magnificent in their evolution, so knowing in their intellect, have been coming into the Milky Way galaxy from a realm known only as darkspace every 50,000 years to harvest the galaxy of all advanced organic life. This cycle has occurred more times than we can fathom, and we know that any life at all, let alone humanity in our own little system of the galaxy, exists only because they allow it.
We can infer here that: A.) they want us to develope certain kinds of technology based on mass effect and B.) Galactic civilizations much, much, much, much more advanced than ours have been utterly obliterated. (Protheans)

In Mass Effect 2, we learn more about the Reapers. We learn that the Reapers were using the Collectors (thought-to-be extinct Protheans, a nuance proving Saren wrong when he claimed that slavery was preferable to certain extinction) to abduct entire human colonies, a method of harvesting as best they could from darkspace. They are fascinated in and respect humans, and obviously see potential in humanity, since they (seemingly) tried to reproduce with them. They are stuck in darkspace with zero Reapers inside, since the vanguard, Sovereign, underestimated Shepard and released its power into a redundant husk, a dead Saren, and lost in the confines of the husk. Shepard thwarts the Collectors and Harbinger, and destroys the Collectors. Harbinger claims that Shepard has changed nothing, and then we learn that they will find another way.

Another way for what? To make humanity a Reaper. Yes, maybe. But it is implied that they are trying to find another way into the galaxy. They want to begin the harvest again, but are analyzing other races as well.

To this point, the plot has been to stop this perpetual cycle of harvesting by creatures who are beyond the scope of our mind. All species are in peril. And the cycle must be stopped, because they are hell-bent at gettting the cycle back on track. They have an interest in us, and probably view us as their top crop this cycle. They even appease with claims we are to ascend to their level. An awesome plot change.

Now its ME3....and we must...wait for it.... launch one final mission to take back...Earth?

Says so in the description of the game itself.

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[piemanz]

AusShep wrote...

People complaining about Earth in ME3 seem to have not really thought this through.
As a dev said (I think maybe Chris?), we have seen 1 minute of a trailer, that is all. And yes, the EA listing does seem to center around earth, but when you try to distill a 30+ hour experience into about 5 lines, you're going to leave a LOT out.
Also, for all the (IMO unnecessary) negativity toward ME2's plot, Bioware are bloody good writers and story tellers. The series has been building up to this from the get go. The first shot of ME1 is of Shep looking at Earth. Saren is originally considered a threat because he is targeting humans, who have proven to be infamous in their rapid rise in status and power since joining the council. On Eletania (spelling) we uncover proof of Prothean observation and study of humans, suggesting the possibility of their intervention in our evolution.
In ME2, the Collectors are attacking remote human colonies, are planning to attack Earth, and hope to construct a human Reaper. Notice a pattern here?
Sorry to seem blunt, but from a narrative standpoint, the Reapers attacking Earth is a logical choice for ME3. Quit your whining, at least till we know more.

This...

There are a few good reasons they would attack earth first.Firstly their biggest thorn in their side is human (shepard), they've also made it pretty clear that humans are prime candidates for their reproduction, going as far as to actually attempt to make a human reaper.they've also just travelled a hell of long way to get here because they could not use they're usual method of coming through the citadel so they've lost the element of suprise and may even be in a weakened state from the journey here, so it would make sense that they would attack their perceived biggest threat first while they are at their strongest.Who knows, they may even be harvestiing humans on earth.

I think ME3 will probably be centered around saving earth but lets not forget that the main goal will be to stop the reapers.We know from history that their ultimate goal is to destroy all sentient life in the galaxy and that is still the case, it's just at this particualr time earth is being attacked first.

When you talk to vigil on ilos he says it took the reapers 200 years to kill off  just the protheans so it's not like they come along and it's all over in a matter of a few days, and they have to start somwhere.

Modifié par piemanz, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:00 .

[Ghost lead]

youtube.com/watch this is what I want to do when it comes to choices on planets about to fall

Modifié par Ghost lead, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[DrGordanFreeman]

I noticed some people have been asking who did the voice over in the trailer, has any dev stepped forward to say who it is?



To me it sounded a lot like Sean Bean. (AKA Boromir from Lord of the Rings)

[SnowHeart1]

 I just wanted to give a shout out and big "thumbs up" to those offering constructive criticism.  It reminds me of the folks who offered criticism about the ME2 teaser trailer, too, going, "OMG, Shepard is dead, everything from ME1 is lost, game suxors, what a cop out, not buying."  Really, 100% aces on your not-jumping-to-conclusions constructive-criticism-that-isn't-flaming-because-they'll-change-the-game-because-I-whined.  Seriously.  Oh wait... Maybe that "thumbs up" was actually a "middle finger".  Oh well.  

Awesome teaser trailer.  Completely psyched!  

[DrGordanFreeman]

Ghost lead wrote...

youtube.com/watch this is what I want to do when it comes to choices on planets about to fall

Hm, I forgot about that trailer. Still really great, and your 100% right. Choices like that in ME 3 would be awesone.
I say awesome, yet I know I would sit in front of my TV for 10 minutes with my jaw on the floor trying to decide which planet to save.
And then have a pang of guilt for choosing one planet over the other and then I would have a small bout of anger that they forced me to make a choice like that. haha

[Ghost lead]

DrGordanFreeman wrote...

Ghost lead wrote...

youtube.com/watch this is what I want to do when it comes to choices on planets about to fall

Hm, I forgot about that trailer. Still really great, and your 100% right. Choices like that in ME 3 would be awesone.
I say awesome, yet I know I would sit in front of my TV for 10 minutes with my jaw on the floor trying to decide which planet to save.
And then have a pang of guilt for choosing one planet over the other and then I would have a small bout of anger that they forced me to make a choice like that. haha

well personally I would let Noveria fall if they gave me that choice, unless that planet offered any tatical advantage that will assist me in fighting the enemy in other bloody battles

[piemanz]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Now its ME3....and we must...wait for it.... launch one final mission to take back...Earth?

You're reading way to much into this.Think about it for a second, it's a trailer and thats a pretty good line to sell the game.

Also remeber you're playing shepard, a human, i think it's fair to assume that this will be his final mission,.He's either going to save earth or die trying, or both.The only way he can save earth is to kill off the reaper threat once and for all meaning the rest of the galaxy is saved too and If he fails that does not mean that the reapers will not carry on with the mass exstinction of the galaxy it just means YOU, as commander shepard, won't be there to see it.

Modifié par piemanz, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:15 .

[Werrf]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Do people who become frustrated at fans terrified and sad about the focus of Mass Effect 3 honestly believe those individuals, which includes myself, have no idea about where humanity fits into all of this? Furthermore, do these defenders of the Earth-centric plot believe we have no grasp of the story?

Honestly?  Based on most of what's been said?  Yeah, that's how it comes across.

Here's the points as I see them that have never been addressed, and whose lack of answers makes me think they're just being ignored.

Mass Effect has 1) an epic scope, and 2) a hero who fights things in person.  The finale of Mass Effect was based around a fleet taking on Sovereign, but what really decided the battle?  Shepard's defeat of Saren in a gunfight.  Epic scope, intimate personal scale.  The same in Mass Effect 2 - hundreds of thousands of humans, taken from planets all over the galaxy by a species that's been working towards their goal for 50,000 years, all coming down to...a soldier with a gun shooting the weak spot.  Epic scope, intimate scale.

And that's going to pretty much require a single final, climactic battle.  A final climactic battle has to take place in one location.  So far so good?

Next, a running subplot has always been the rise of humanity, and humans being special.  Humans gained a citadel embassy faster than anyone ever has, gained council membership within a generation when other species have waited thousands of years, and our hero, the only person to defeat the Reapers, is human.  The Reapers have shown special interest in humanity in general, and Shepard in particular.

So, a final battle is a must; humanity's specialness has been a running plotline.  Where else would you expect the final battle to take place?  

As I said earlier - I don't see this being the battle for Earth.  It will be the Battle of Earth, a battle to stop the Reapers from reaching deeper into the galaxy, a battle of epic scope, fought in Earth orbit, and it will most likely once again come down to a very intimate scale to finish it off.

[sympathy4saren]

Seriously...who gives people the middle finger over a video game?

[sympathy4saren]

@ Werrf

I'm glad that you pointed out to all of us "unknowing fans" that Mass Effect is A. epic and B. fought in person.

Mostly third person, actually.

Of course humanity had a massive subplot the whole time sofar. It's a main aspect of the overall story. Story, not plot. To discover Mass Effect technology, becomming the first human spectre, to either be a council member or run the council entirely, to the elements of Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

What about Garrus? He's been battling beside you. Tali? Liara? Wrex? Thane? Sure...they've done nothing to help the fight...you could just do it all alone. Shouldn't have bothered with recruiting and loyalty...just form the Omega 4, Cerberus?

I know how Reapers view other races. I also know that if Reapers attacked Earth, they would guard the Charon Relay with as many Reapers as necessary as to prevent anybody from coming through, under any circumstance

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Werrf]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I'm glad that you pointed out to all of us "unknowing fans" that Mass Effect is A. epic and B. fought in person.

Mostly third person, actually.

Of course humanity had a massive subplot the whole time sofar. It's a main aspect of the overall story. Story, not plot. To discover Mass Effect technology, becomming the first human spectre, to either be a council member or run the council entirely, to the elements of Cerberus and the Illusive Man.

What about Garrus? He's been battling beside you. Tali? Liara? Wrex? Thane? Sure...they've done nothing to help the fight...you could just do it all alone. Shouldn't have bothered with recruiting and loyalty...just form the Omega 4, Cerberus?

Any chance of, uh...addressing the point?  That there has to be a final battle, which has to take place somewhere, so what's wrong with Earth being that somewhere?

[Uszi]

DrGordanFreeman wrote...

I noticed some people have been asking who did the voice over in the trailer, has any dev stepped forward to say who it is?

To me it sounded a lot like Sean Bean. (AKA Boromir from Lord of the Rings)

According to the fan twitter site, not him:
http://twitter.com/seanbeanonline

How about this guy:


Craig Fairbrass, AKA Ghost from MW2.

[MisterDyslexo]

Uszi wrote...

DrGordanFreeman wrote...

I noticed some people have been asking who did the voice over in the trailer, has any dev stepped forward to say who it is?

To me it sounded a lot like Sean Bean. (AKA Boromir from Lord of the Rings)

According to the fan twitter site, not him:
http://twitter.com/seanbeanonline

How about this guy:


Craig Fairbrass, AKA Ghost Gaz from MW2.

Fixed.

It would be awesome if it was him, but it doesn't sound like him IMO. We're gonna be at this for months...

[sympathy4saren]

Besides the fact a good characterized Reaper is a Reaper that has an unbeatable defense of the Charon Relay, as I said? You going to warp to Earth?



I live on Earth. I will die on Earth. I can open my window and see features of Earth's biosphere and atmosphere. Ive seen futuristic Earth 2513893 different times.



Just words portraying my objectivism.