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[rep31983]

trailer looked awesome but i better see tali's face

[Bebbe777]

This may not be strategic correct since I'm not a tactician but this is my theory.



The Reapers attack Earth since that is the stronghold for the greatest threat to their existence and also home for the one thing that seems to be able to increase their number. And based on Vigil, this culling and extermination is not over in a couple of months, the extinction of the Protheans took decades. But that time they controlled the relays, something they don't do now it seems. But this is the only time their planned as utterly failed and it's because of Shepard and humanity. So they would take out the biggest threat before launching out to the rest of the galaxy.

Or they just want to draw Shepard out, so the other Reapers can go freely about doing their business in the rest of the galaxy.

But based on this, from my standpoint it would seem better to destroy Arcturus along with humanities greatest fleet and then shut of the Charon Relay ( I bet the Reapers can deactivate local relays at will) so Earth is totally cut off. Later when the Reapers have the Citadel they can just return to Earth whenever they want.

[Had-to-say]

****Spoiler Alert****
 
I went on a small creative rant about plot ideas.

 I think what people are concerned about is the overall plot of the trilogy. Mass Effect was such a complete story with a satisfying ending and a major plot twist for a conclusion. The fans don't want a cliche ending with an invasion of planet Earth. Quite frankly we don't find Earth that interesting compared to the rest of the galaxy.

 The Reapers what are they? Are they a form of biological life that has evolved into to a diety or are they just simple machines that feed intellectually on biological matter. What do they know about the true nature of the universe?  Are they gods? Have they found the edge of the universe? Are they trying to create a big suck? Or a second big bang? Are they just trying to evolve as a species and can't evolve any more or are they seeking to assimilate all existence as a form of reproduction. Is this a Galatic harvest? Did they seed the galaxy? Are they just galactic farmers and humans are weeds in the garden that have begun to get overgrown? Are they our creator? Who is their creator? Now this is the "Mass Effect" can we truly evolve and exist in higher dimensions? Are Reapers descendents of the Geth?

Are Reapers from the fifth dimension does god exist on the sixth or higher dimensions? 

 Space is about the unknown and we know so very little about this Dark space and what else could be out there. The Reapers are coming what I really want to know is why are they coming and how do we pose a threat to them.

 What makes Mass Effect great is things like a "Quantum Entanglement Communicator" which is almost a reality. I think one of the big questions in Mass Effect is . Where the hell is Dark Space and how far is it from the edge of known space? How the hell do you get there and who else is there and what does he do for a living?

A major mistake is to make Dark space vanilla like regular space. Dark space should be like Inception on LSD while having sex for the first time cool. What happened to the creative risk taking like in Mass Effect 1.

[Mir5]

JaegerBane wrote...

Of course this all is just theories and speculations, silly. Relax and remember that  it's good for your mind to find flaws in everything.

It's not that Earth would be a bad choice in any case, I just don't think that it fits the general mood of Mass Effect. I guess they can make earth interesting, but it's going to be hard to make it rise above Noveria, Citadel, Omega, or any other cool place we already know. The other problem here is that the trailer is pretty bland. It gives absolutely nothing on the future London, nothing to draw you in. The only relateable element is Big Ben, and that exists only to make people realize that it's earth.

Now about Blade Runner (a great movie, btw),  Blade Runner was very careful to make the future feel different enough, the architechture is unfamiliar, the jobs that get attention (blade runners, genetic engineers) are unfamiliar, everything old, recognizable is left to decay or getting build on. And no bloody landmarks. (Even Deus Ex that imho didn't have that good art direction was smart enough to blow the head of the statue of liberty off)

And then there's the scale difference. I got the impression from Mass 2 that Shepard is this all-cabable superhero that has been roaming through the galaxy since the beginning of the series. Deckard was basically an average hero. A good cop, but had his flaws, and had this more everyday feeling about him.

Modifié par Mir5, 17 décembre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Had-to-say]

***Spoiler Alert***

If a sentient machine created by a human ever questioned the nature of the universe it would refer to us as his God. We said let there be light and there was light. We made it in our image and we told it how to live and how to be like us and then we gave it rules and told it about right and wrong.
We told it to be fruitful and multiply and to respect and to love. If our creation asked us, where is it that we come from? We wouldn't have all the answers. It may want to destoy It's creator and think he is superior. This ideal has become cliche.

I think Mass Effect should head into the realm of the philosohpical and metaphysical. Could we biological beings be programs trying to understand the world of our metaphysical creator. He can't relate to some of us due to the fact that we have a limited capacity to relate to the nature of the intangible. Kinda like explaining color to the color blind. When Sovereign was defining himself he sounded like a deity? But no deity needs another to sustain his own existence does he? Now the Reapers wanted to make a giant human Reaper? This is kinda lame or maybe a Reaper religious practice or custom if you will. But surely they don't find us more appealing than an Asari. Asari are humanities superior in almost ever realm.

The rules are set all existence conforms to the laws of nature. But who wrote the rules? Certainly not the Reapers. 

Humans are just biological computers. But who is writting the code? We shouldn't write a new code for ourselves define our own parameters, execute our own twisted logic? When will man have offspring with a machine? What is it like to be a ghost in a shell, or a ghost without a shell? Is this what it means to be a Reaper?!?!

Modifié par Had-to-say, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[Daryst]

Landmarks like Big Ben, Eifeltower or the Brandenburg Gate make the it a unique place. These are Cultural pieces of our History. Earth would not be Earth without them. And a movie like Blade Runner is a neo-noir setting. Which is totally different then Mass Effect.

I found it greate to see that our history is preserved in the future. Do note that our tech was jumpstarted 200 years with the found of that prothean data cache.

I do wonder if they will give other planets the same feeling.

[DJBare]

I'm having a problem wrapping my head around people's objections to earth being the center of attention, it has a population of 11.4 billion, we know the reapers are out to destroy all life in the galaxy but they also use resources to do this, they have an interest in humanity and 11.4 billion is a huge resource!, I for one certainly don't want ME3 to be completely about earth, but it most definitely should be the major part of the story, even if Shepard is a colonist or spacer earth is still his/her roots, it makes it personal.

[JaegerBane]

Mir5 wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

Of course this all is just theories and speculations, silly. Relax and remember that  it's good for your mind to find flaws in everything.

And it's an act of stupidity to take a stance on something when you are fully aware that you have virtually no info. I don't begrudge people disliking the game, or having a poor initial impression of it - I draw the line, however, when people start making sweeping judgements and declarations on no more than their own arbitrary ideas about what constitutes good and bad storytelling.

It's not that Earth would be a bad choice in any case, I just don't think that it fits the general mood of Mass Effect.

I recognise that. My point is that there is no good, justifable reasoning to hold such a rigid viewpoint. Earth is the homeworld of humanity. It's already been in both games so far. To say that it 'doesn't fit the general mood' is effectively meaningless - you might as well say that you think that it should be called a different title or that Shepard should have an indian accent. Fine to hold that opinion, but insufficient to use it as a basis for claiming that it is a disappointment and expect to be taken seriously.

I guess they can make earth interesting, but it's going to be hard to make it rise above Noveria, Citadel, Omega, or any other cool place we already know. The other problem here is that the trailer is pretty bland. It gives absolutely nothing on the future London, nothing to draw you in. The only relateable element is Big Ben, and that exists only to make people realize that it's earth.

It's a minute long trailer. What are you expecting to hear in it that fits the above criteria? This is the core of my point. You've approached this trailer with expectations that were never going to be met no matter how good it was. The point behind the trailer is to set the basic premise of what ME3 will be about. It isn't intended to 'draw you in' and explain everything about future london.

Compare it to the ME2's trailer, where we got treated to a bit of text telling us stuff we already know, a cryptic comment about shep being dead and Legion apparently headbutting the the camera. What you're expecting cannot be provided in teaser trailer and simply claiming that it is a disappointment on that basis is just being silly.

Now about Blade Runner (a great movie, btw),  Blade Runner was very careful to make the future feel different enough, the architechture is unfamiliar, the jobs that get attention (blade runners, genetic engineers) are unfamiliar, everything old, recognizable is left to decay or getting build on. And no bloody landmarks. (Even Deus Ex that imho didn't have that good art direction was smart enough to blow the head of the statue of liberty off)

I'm afraid this is nonsense. Aside from the Tyrell building the architecture wasn't radically different to what we have today, aside from size - hell, Scott himself said he drew inspiration from Tokyo, an existing city, so the assertion that it was 'fictional' enough while the London in the trailer was both 'too familiar' but also didn't have enough to make it relatable is essentially, incoherent rambling. It can't physically be both and you haven't really explained why it's either one.
I mean, what on earth is the problem with having recognisable landmarks?

And then there's the scale difference. I got the impression from Mass 2 that Shepard is this all-cabable superhero that has been roaming through the galaxy since the beginning of the series. Deckard was basically an average hero. A good cop, but had his flaws, and had this more everyday feeling about him.

This isn't relevant. I'm not arguing Deckard and Shep are similar characters, my point about Blade Runner was to illustrate how nonsensical it is to harp on about certain settings being rendered good or bad based purely on where they're located or whether you recognise them.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:33 .

[JaegerBane]

DJBare wrote...

I'm having a problem wrapping my head around people's objections to earth being the center of attention, it has a population of 11.4 billion, we know the reapers are out to destroy all life in the galaxy but they also use resources to do this, they have an interest in humanity and 11.4 billion is a huge resource!, I for one certainly don't want ME3 to be completely about earth, but it most definitely should be the major part of the story, even if Shepard is a colonist or spacer earth is still his/her roots, it makes it personal.

Exactly. We already know that, of all the species the Reapers have encountered since the destruction of the Prothean empire, they've chosen Humanity as the building block for new Reapers to add the one they've chose before. Earth is the largest concentration of this, as you say. So.... what is the problem here?

As I mentioned, there's a core of people on here that just complain no matter what.

[CodeMyster]

Looks like the theory of it being in London was true.

[Bebbe777]

The trailer reminds me a bit of Skyline. Though no strange light and no people getting sucked up into big bad ships.

[Had-to-say]

I can relate to the disappointment about Earth. If and only if Earth is the final place for a "climax" in Mass Effect. It is kinda sad that we can travel millions of light years to hundreds of distant worlds to have all of existence as we know it hinge right outside our back door. Seems too conveninent given the overall scope and scale of Mass Effect. I don't think it can afford to be just Earth I think EBE's have more fight in them than that. Reapers are too smart to stage a single localized assault so don't worry. Destruction will rain on most known solar systems.



I'm not saying an Earth climax can't be fun but I would find it kinda arrogant on the part of the writers if this is the case. They craft these amazing worlds and aliens and continue to make us the center of attention. Will it make it more dramatic? Me personally hell yeah!



I don't have a problem with anything in Mass Effect except that damn human Reaper.

[Getorex]

rep31983 wrote...

trailer looked awesome but i better see tali's face

Uh, dude...you did see Tali's face. It was the guy in the trailer!

YOU'VE BEEN BOINKING THAT DUDE SINCE ME2!

[Getorex]

Had-to-say wrote...

I can relate to the disappointment about Earth. If and only if Earth is the final place for a "climax" in Mass Effect. It is kinda sad that we can travel millions of light years to hundreds of distant worlds to have all of existence as we know it hinge right outside our back door. Seems too conveninent given the overall scope and scale of Mass Effect. I don't think it can afford to be just Earth I think EBE's have more fight in them than that. Reapers are too smart to stage a single localized assault so don't worry. Destruction will rain on most known solar systems.



I'm not saying an Earth climax can't be fun but I would find it kinda arrogant on the part of the writers if this is the case. They craft these amazing worlds and aliens and continue to make us the center of attention. Will it make it more dramatic? Me personally hell yeah!



I don't have a problem with anything in Mass Effect except that damn human Reaper.

I resist jumping into a discussion of the core story of ME3 based on a s single, very short, sparse data point (trailer) for a game that is one year away but...

Have you been paying attention to the game? The Reapers are focused on humanity above and beyond the other alien races. There's something (apparently) about humans (hinted at all over bejezus by the way...Samara's statement about humans in convo for instance) that is all Goldilocks perfect for the Reapers in this go-round. Sure, the rest of the galaxy gets reamed as a result BUT the core of the story line is that the Reapers really really dig humanity and WANT THEM SOOO BAD. Of course the ultimate focus of the story would have to fall to Earth. The rest of the galaxy is just an obstacle to breach to get to the gooey center (human creaminess).

[Getorex]

CodeMyster wrote...

Looks like the theory of it being in London was true.

Never got that memo but...it has to take place SOMEWHERE so why not London? Of course, Peru Indiana, a small bohunk town of nothing with a couple stop lights would, naturally, be a MUCH better choice of city for main combat operations to take place. Or maybe Limon, Kansas!

[Getorex]

I think I speak for everyone when I express the hope that ME3 will include butt-floss-and-pastie bikinis for all female crew/teammates. >:-)

[jolly_rog]

Getorex wrote...

I think I speak for everyone when I express the hope that ME3 will include butt-floss-and-pastie bikinis for all female crew/teammates. >:-)

Only if male crew/teammates end up wearing just speedos and bow ties.

Modifié par jolly_rog, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:10 .

[sympathy4saren]

The endgame will be to launch one final mission to retake Earth. Why? It says so in the game description. There is no speculation. There is no debate. It tells you. Certainly, one cannot judge the plot from a brief trailer or one line on text? Yes you can.



When it, again, specifically tells you: launch one final mission to retake the earth.



There are people who say...."people whine so much. They're so negative."



I say: "people's minds are too dull. They need the center of the universe...Earth, to be the center of everything, at all times.

[sympathy4saren]

The endgame will be to launch one final mission to retake Earth. Why? It says so in the game description. There is no speculation. There is no debate. It tells you. Certainly, one cannot judge the plot from a brief trailer or one line on text? Yes you can.



When it, again, specifically tells you: launch one final mission to retake the earth.



There are people who say...."people whine so much. They're so negative."



I say: "people's minds are too dull. They need the center of the universe...Earth...to be the center of everything, at all times.They don't care one way or the other."

[Had-to-say]

Would it ruin your day if you met God and he said you weren't his favorite?

Galileo was not allowed to leave his home in the 1600's because he said the Earth was not the center of all creation. Are we further trying to validate our significance in the vast ocean of billions and billions of stars by saying the strongest entity in the unvierse thinks we are special. I knew there was a Hollywood ending in there somewhere.

Now this Earth centric concept in Mass Effect isn't a big deal but I hate to think on a galactic stage with many performers we Earthlings don't think we are the best the galaxy has to offer? This is why Hollywood keeps making movies about aliens traveling thousand of lightyears. So we can drop our nukes on them.

I love Mass Effect because humanity had to do it's part. I just hope we aren't trying to steal the show. I prefered humanity as the under appreciated under dog. Yet in the context of the story with the recent events in Mass Effect 2 I can see how they would want to get rid of humanity asap.
I understand it just fine, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I don't mind a Earth finale but I would rather we just go further into Dark space or on the edge of a blackhole and drop the nuke on them. Kidding about the nukes...

Modifié par Had-to-say, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:58 .

[sympathy4saren]

Earth is the center of the universe....in sci fi, we are told that. Thought ME broke that mold. One reason why it was so awesome.

[Sturmwulfe]

Just a thought,

In the trailer it's from the perspective of a soldier fighting in London. Do you really think there's going to be a clear line of information across the stars to other worlds, and he would hear the reports from other worlds to find out what's going on there? News isn't reliable at the best of times, especially when you have giant sentient machines attacking every major city on the globe. Who knows what's going on elsewhere in the galaxy?

We don't know how many Reapers there are, and for all we know, they started off with the Citadel, as before, to find out where all the major planets are and we're just seeing one out of the many Reaper groups. Remember Virgil, Prothean VI? He more or less told us the Reapers take centuries to extinguish life in the galaxy. This is why the death tolls would be so low, as well as others have pointed out, the Reapers are harvesting as many people as they can as opposed to killing them outright. Compare it between soldiers clearing a building verses police, police try to arrest people and avoid killing, soldiers are trained to use lethal force on contact. Which one do you think takes longer to do?

Bioware also makes trailers to bring out emotions. Notice how in the ME2 trailer, Jack broke out of the room full of soldiers and killed them all by herself instead of their being mechs? Or how Grunt was pretty much eaten by the thresher maw and killed it from the inside out with the 'nuke gun' (where as in the game, you break Jack out and she pushes a hole through the mechs so she can escape, and Grunt never uses heavy weapons and the thresher maw certainly never jumps out of the ground to land on people as a snack in either ME1 or ME2). Then we end up on a planet I assume is Horizon, where we first deal with the Collectors on foot. We don't have Thane at that point, and the Collector ship certainly wasn't several Kilometers away for Shepard and crew to see the size of the thing before they had to run to the city to save it.

My point is for that, the trailers aren't necessarily accurate to what we're going to see in the game, and as I said, it's about raising emotion in the viewer. Would any of you care as much if it were Illium or Omega being attacked in the trailer? Nothing hits us like seeing landmarks we've seen in real life being devastated by something we all know what it's capable of, as opposed to something we've seen for a few hours in a game. It's home we're seeing attacked. And until we see the Reapers (and for some, the heat sink), many people who didn't know it was Mass Effect 3 already could be wondering what exactly it was. I think under the circumstances Bioware did a great job hiding the what the game was until the 'OH GOD, IT'S A REAPER DRINKING OUT OF THE THAMES RIVER!' moment.

So, really people, stop criticizing a game that is a year away from a trailer that is based on evoking emotions on content we are unsure of at this time.

Modifié par Sturmwulfe, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:40 .

[Had-to-say]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Earth is the center of the universe....in sci fi, we are told that. Thought ME broke that mold. One reason why it was so awesome.

Mass Effect is amazing.  The way it blends real science with fiction is top notch. I'm upset about the Earth invasion bit but I'm sure it won't ruin the game or anything. I've read your post you make a compelling argument.  People like you need to speak up so we don't get a another human Reaper. I try my best to express my concerns yet it's good to see someone else try to right this ship. All the space in the galaxy they want to nuke in the backyard.

[Sturmwulfe]

Had-to-say wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Earth is the center of the universe....in sci fi, we are told that. Thought ME broke that mold. One reason why it was so awesome.

Mass Effect is amazing.  The way it blends real science with fiction is top notch. I'm upset about the Earth invasion bit but I'm sure it won't ruin the game or anything. I've read your post you make a compelling argument.  People like you need to speak up so we don't get a another human Reaper. I try my best to express my concerns yet it's good to see someone else try to right this ship. All the space in the galaxy they want to nuke in the backyard.

Please refer to my entire last post. That is all.