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[TRISTAN WERBE]

this will give a sastufying conculsion but will shepard live or die in me2 u could die so idk

[Had-to-say]

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Just a thought,

In the trailer it's from the perspective of a soldier fighting in London. Do you really think there's going to be a clear line of information across the stars to other worlds, and he would hear the reports from other worlds to find out what's going on there? News isn't reliable at the best of times, especially when you have giant sentient machines attacking every major city on the globe. Who knows what's going on elsewhere in the galaxy?

We don't know how many Reapers there are, and for all we know, they started off with the Citadel, as before, to find out where all the major planets are and we're just seeing one out of the many Reaper groups. Remember Virgil, Prothean VI? He more or less told us the Reapers take centuries to extinguish life in the galaxy. This is why the death tolls would be so low, as well as others have pointed out, the Reapers are harvesting as many people as they can as opposed to killing them outright. Compare it between soldiers clearing a building verses police, police try to arrest people and avoid killing, soldiers are trained to use lethal force on contact. Which one do you think takes longer to do?

Bioware also makes trailers to bring out emotions. Notice how in the ME2 trailer, Jack broke out of the room full of soldiers and killed them all by herself instead of their being mechs? Or how Grunt was pretty much eaten by the thresher maw and killed it from the inside out with the 'nuke gun' (where as in the game, you break Jack out and she pushes a hole through the mechs so she can escape, and Grunt never uses heavy weapons and the thresher maw certainly never jumps out of the ground to land on people as a snack in either ME1 or ME2). Then we end up on a planet I assume is Horizon, where we first deal with the Collectors on foot. We don't have Thane at that point, and the Collector ship certainly wasn't several Kilometers away for Shepard and crew to see the size of the thing before they had to run to the city to save it.

My point is for that, the trailers aren't necessarily accurate to what we're going to see in the game, and as I said, it's about raising emotion in the viewer. Would any of you care as much if it were Illium or Omega being attacked in the trailer? Nothing hits us like seeing landmarks we've seen in real life being devastated by something we all know what it's capable of, as opposed to something we've seen for a few hours in a game. It's home we're seeing attacked. And until we see the Reapers (and for some, the heat sink), many people who didn't know it was Mass Effect 3 already could be wondering what exactly it was. I think under the circumstances Bioware did a great job hiding the what the game was until the 'OH GOD, IT'S A REAPER DRINKING OUT OF THE THAMES RIVER!' moment.

So, really people, stop criticizing a game that is a year away from a trailer that is based on evoking emotions on content we are unsure of at this time.

 Good point about the trailers but what about the written game description?  If you have any reservations speak now or forever hold your peace. I think we are fighting the royal rumble on planet Earth.  Are you ok with that? If I had the power to change it,  I wouldn't  want to if it's really what was planned all along. I guess I just have to wait an see how it turns out.

[Had-to-say]

AwesomeName wrote...

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

Earth is the center of the universe....in sci fi, we are told that. Thought ME broke that mold. One reason why it was so awesome.

Mass Effect is amazing.  The way it blends real science with fiction is top notch. I'm upset about the Earth invasion bit but I'm sure it won't ruin the game or anything. I've read your post you make a compelling argument.  People like you need to speak up so we don't get a another human Reaper. I try my best to express my concerns yet it's good to see someone else try to right this ship. All the space in the galaxy they want to nuke in the backyard.

Please refer to my entire last post. That is all.

Have you read the game description?  That's where the concern comes from. 

Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth.
— Official Plot Summary

[Pericles1210]

You can't figure out whats going on in the 3rd game from a teaser trailer. Remember the first trailer for ME2? Everyone thought Shepard was dead lol.



Things to remember about the series though, the Protheans messed up the signal that was supposed to bring the reapers. That was supposed to happen way before Shepard became a Spectre, It was supposed to happen even before the Rachni Wars. The reapers leave one of their own behind after every genocide (Sovereign) to keep an eye on the universe's progression and to signal the keepers when ready. When the signals were never sent, Sovereign started the Rachni wars. In the book Mass Effect Revelation, when Saren met Anderson, Sovereign began indoctrinating people (including Saren). Sovereign was doing all this behind the scenes because it knew that it would be outnumbered and destroyed. Then ME2 starts and Shepard is saving humans. In the 2 years in between, the idea of a "reaper" is squashed by the council so no one is worried about preparing for anything. Shepard stops the collectors and you see the Reapers not too far off from the galaxy.



For all we know, the Reapers could've started traveling after the signal didn't come before the Rachni wars or when Shepard beat Sovereign. Once they made an enemy of Shepard, thats when they focused on him and humans. Maybe they will be more vulnerable after traveling for so long? Time will tell!

[sympathy4saren]

@ Had-to-say



Haha I know man, its almost as if it is an appeasement to the new group of fans joining from PS3 and/or first person shooters. The stop-Earth-from-aliens theme in video games is as "redundant" as zombie killing. There is a market for those games...not something I expected at all from Mass Effect. I understand where humanity fits into all of it, most certainly. Sure, I absolutely know BioWare will present excellent characterization, tremendous dialogue and an airtight, detailed yet simple user interface and controls/gameplay. Music will be fantastic. I can even bet that they'll tie in how the galaxy has avoided the threat of the Reapers. I know that an epic story must ever evolve....but this shift in the plot towards a more focus and centralization of humanity (and now Earth) takes so much away from the Mass Effect universe. Humanity and humanity's rise has always been a major subplot in the story...one I initially viewed as an element supplemental to the plot and was an example demonstrative of the IP's massive depth. Now, in the third installment, we see just how drastically the focus has shifted to humanity. People claim, maybe secretly pessimistic themselves, that we don't know enough to make a fair assessment. I can understand their point. But it comes to the game's description...ONE FINAL BATTLE TO RETAKE THE EARTH. There is no denying what is in store. We must not only visit Earth, we must fight a battle to take it back.



I was just expecting more, that is all. I was expecting something original and epic. I, along with many others, perceived the focus of Mass Effect up until now to be about stopping a perpetual cycle of systematic eradiation and harvesting of the Milky Way galaxy from a truly, fully awe-inspiring and characterized race of god-like machines.



Not about retaking Earth.



Sure, Earth has a proper role, no doubt. And until now, that role itself has been minimized. Closest you got was pulling it up on your screen and reading info or landing on Luna.



Now, the climax of Mass Effect 3, and the entire trilogy, is going to occur on the planet we live on.



I was so pumped for ME3. I am just sad now. So are many others. Checking out other blogging sites and forums, I see that my perspective is wide-spread.

[gammle]

Ohhh my dear im crying of joy Me3 is coming,

I have been waiting for this day finally i can take my 30 avatars true me3 sone...cant wait i hope i made all the things right in me1 and 2..

Thank you bioware.

[Sturmwulfe]

I actually hadn't seen the game description up until now, so I can see where concerns for that arise.



I have no doubts a good chunk of the game, maybe even the finale, will take place on Earth, but Mass Effect has always been about exploring the Galaxy and seeing other worlds, and I doubt Earth is going to be the only focus of the game. Yes, the description does say to save mankind for a final mission to save the Earth. Could be to gain the support of other species you have to help them with their Reaper problems first, or if the Reapers are entirely focused on Humanity (at this time), it probably has more to do with their obsession with Shepard and finding out what made humanity figure out how to break their cycle.



I'm remaining optimistic, as usually game descriptions aren't nearly as detailed as the actual product and they do their best to avoid spoilers. I know there's going to be quite a few surprises and incredible sights to see along the way, Just taking a random game off the shelf, Gears of War 2, the description on the back says "Winter approaches. War rages on. Entire cities are sinking, swallowed by a new threat from below. Soon humanity will have nothing left to defend. Only one option remains: an all-out attack on the Locust Horde." Using that as an example, the 'sinking' bit was resolved in the second chapter of the game, and the 'all out attack' ended up being mostly defensive by the end of the game, with only a few groups like Delta Squad venturing back out when Jacinto became under siege after the attack on the Hollow. I know it's an entirely different, unrelated game, but I'm using it to illustrate that there's a lot that we'll find different or unexpected when Mass Effect 3 comes out. I seriously doubt the entirety of the game is going to take place on Earth, as the entirety of the second game wasn't the suicide mission (which was only a very short bit of game play, I may add).

[Lotion Soronarr]

sympathy4saren wrote...

A final battle in darkspace would be awesome. To visit this so-called "realm of existence so far beyond (my) own" that I "could not even imagine" would be completely fascinating. I wonder what epicness BioWare could come up with for it.

Meh. Darkspace is jsut space between two galaxies. There's nothing there.
Reapers are full of BS methinks.

Earlier someone made a comparison to what if the fight took place on
Palaven. Yes, it would be lame, but not as lame as on earth. Why?
Because earth has the loss of being familiar, makes it predictable,
boring.

I never understood such talk. What exactly makes planet X superior to future Earth? What? The novelty? Making something "new" for the sake of making something new. A planet is a planet. It's not like there is any inherent superiority in planet X. There is none. It's just subjective BS.
This reminds me of pople claiming Dragon Age will suck because there were only humans, elves and dwarves, and they are old stuff.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sympathy4saren wrote...
I wish so much they would just destroy Earth. It has ruined this series now. Seriously.

I wish so muhc tehy destroyed all the homeworlds except of Earth. They have ruined the series now. Seriously.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Had-to-say wrote...

 I think what people are concerned about is the overall plot of the trilogy. Mass Effect was such a complete story with a satisfying ending and a major plot twist for a conclusion. The fans don't want a cliche ending with an invasion of planet Earth. Quite frankly we don't find Earth that interesting compared to the rest of the galaxy.

Who is the "we" you speak of?
Speaking on behalf of all the fans is not something you should do lightly...obviously, there's plenty of them who disagree.

[darknoon5]

I don't see how everybody concludes from 1 description that Earth is the only planet being targeted and so are humans. Even though the focus has been on humans since ME1, Bioware have always tied the rest of the galaxy in-playing ME2 again, I'm pretty sure Shepard makes a comment saying that they need to destroy the collector base for the rest of the galaxy.





Anyway, 90% of people are excited for ME3 and honestly don't care about the other 10% who are having a heart attack over a trailer and a leaked description...at least wait until gameplay and a further trailer have been released beyond the initial one to pass judgment.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sympathy4saren wrote...
There are people who say...."people whine so much. They're so negative."

I say: "people's minds are too dull. They need the center of the universe...Earth, to be the center of everything, at all times.

Those people are right.

You are reading waaay too much into this. Why do peopel always look for simbolysm, hidden messages and deepr meanings? There doesn't necessarily have to be one. And to thonk thjis makes Earth the center of the universe? By what logic?

[sympathy4saren]

It was a pun...science fiction loves the planet I live on. Wonder what Earth is like? Wait...ill just look out my window.



Hoping they destroy all other planets but earth? Methinks you are a halo fanboy

[sympathy4saren]

And there are many who agree. Simplified for you, take a look at the posts on here.

[Warlock Angel22]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Had-to-say wrote...

 I think what people are concerned about is the overall plot of the trilogy. Mass Effect was such a complete story with a satisfying ending and a major plot twist for a conclusion. The fans don't want a cliche ending with an invasion of planet Earth. Quite frankly we don't find Earth that interesting compared to the rest of the galaxy.

Who is the "we" you speak of?
Speaking on behalf of all the fans is not something you should do lightly...obviously, there's plenty of them who disagree.

Agreed. I find it funny when people act like they speak for everyone or think their views are shared by everyone. I guess all these people will not be buying this game since they don't want the "cliche ending". Nothing is going to change about this game at this point. So sitting back and whining about it now will not matter. The only thing you can do is not buy the game. But I know that will not happen.

Modifié par Warlock Angel22, 17 décembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[Getorex]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Earth is the center of the universe....in sci fi, we are told that. Thought ME broke that mold. One reason why it was so awesome.

Not really but...Earth IS the "center" of the universe for humans. That's just the way it is because it is the heart/soul/home of humanity. It is where humans evolved, developed, etc. It IS the "center" of the universe from that perspective. I daresay that this would be true of ANY alien race too: their homeland is the "center" of the universe as far as they are concerned.

Humans are THE focus of the Reapers. We are all humans here so we can only give a **** about humans first and foremost. They are the only things we can truly relate to, feel for, understand. Hell, all the aliens in all vid games are "human" in all but form (and even then they are all but human). ALL scifi is about humans even when it isn't. It is ALL either human-focused directly OR is specifically about the only thing we understand: the human condition.

It is no mystery that the core of the story is humanity and, as the game player playing only ONE representative of humanity, Shepard. We couldn't give a crap if it was all about some Salarian somewhere with some unpronounceable name.

The Reapers have been written to be focused on humans (because ALL the players of this game are human nat). Being focused on humans, they are also first focused on Shepard because he alone (thus far) has caused them real grief. In the previous epoc, the focus was on the Protheans (and no, they would not have been the ONLY alien race at that time). This time, it is humans. Even if they throw in a equal focus on "galactic civilization" it will STILL be about humans, just with a side story.

It is no mystery here. You can only write what you know (humans), you can only understand and relate to what you know (humans and the human condition). The rest is just filler.

[Getorex]

sympathy4saren wrote...

@ Had-to-say



Haha I know man, its almost as if it is an appeasement to the new group of fans joining from PS3 and/or first person shooters. The stop-Earth-from-aliens theme in video games is as "redundant" as zombie killing. There is a market for those games...not something I expected at all from Mass Effect. I understand where humanity fits into all of it, most certainly. Sure, I absolutely know BioWare will present excellent characterization, tremendous dialogue and an airtight, detailed yet simple user interface and controls/gameplay. Music will be fantastic. I can even bet that they'll tie in how the galaxy has avoided the threat of the Reapers. I know that an epic story must ever evolve....but this shift in the plot towards a more focus and centralization of humanity (and now Earth) takes so much away from the Mass Effect universe. Humanity and humanity's rise has always been a major subplot in the story...one I initially viewed as an element supplemental to the plot and was an example demonstrative of the IP's massive depth. Now, in the third installment, we see just how drastically the focus has shifted to humanity. People claim, maybe secretly pessimistic themselves, that we don't know enough to make a fair assessment. I can understand their point. But it comes to the game's description...ONE FINAL BATTLE TO RETAKE THE EARTH. There is no denying what is in store. We must not only visit Earth, we must fight a battle to take it back.



I was just expecting more, that is all. I was expecting something original and epic. I, along with many others, perceived the focus of Mass Effect up until now to be about stopping a perpetual cycle of systematic eradiation and harvesting of the Milky Way galaxy from a truly, fully awe-inspiring and characterized race of god-like machines.



Not about retaking Earth.



Sure, Earth has a proper role, no doubt. And until now, that role itself has been minimized. Closest you got was pulling it up on your screen and reading info or landing on Luna.



Now, the climax of Mass Effect 3, and the entire trilogy, is going to occur on the planet we live on.



I was so pumped for ME3. I am just sad now. So are many others. Checking out other blogging sites and forums, I see that my perspective is wide-spread.

Earth and its humans have THE role. C'mon! Depending on how you played the game up to 3, humans either ARE the entire council or they are a very new upstart, unique among the races (or are you calling Samara a liar?) who have aqquired a seat on the council before their time. Either way, humans are a key (the key) in the story. You ARE playing a human, by the way. Does that ruin the game too? Can't play as something you aren't? A Krogan (which is merely an aspect of human in a Krogan avatar), a Salarian (a human in an amphibian avatar), a Turian (human in a reptilian/avian avatar), etc. You are a HUMAN Shepard commanding a HUMAN ship. The entire ultimate focus is human. This is as it must be since the buying public is 100% human. The writers of the game, the owners/funders of the games are human. It can't be anything BUT human-focused.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sympathy4saren wrote...
Wonder what Earth is like? Wait...ill just look out my window.

What is Earth like in the years ME3 is taking place, in the Me universe' Can your look out of hte window tell you that?

Hoping they destroy all other planets but earth? Methinks you are a halo fanboy

Never played any of them. I'm stricly a PC player and I avoid console ports.

[Atilius the Hun]

sympathy4saren wrote...

@ Had-to-say

Haha I know man, its almost as if it is an appeasement to the new group of fans joining from PS3 and/or first person shooters. The stop-Earth-from-aliens theme in video games is as "redundant" as zombie killing. There is a market for those games...not something I expected at all from Mass Effect. I understand where humanity fits into all of it, most certainly. Sure, I absolutely know BioWare will present excellent characterization, tremendous dialogue and an airtight, detailed yet simple user interface and controls/gameplay. Music will be fantastic. I can even bet that they'll tie in how the galaxy has avoided the threat of the Reapers. I know that an epic story must ever evolve....but this shift in the plot towards a more focus and centralization of humanity (and now Earth) takes so much away from the Mass Effect universe. Humanity and humanity's rise has always been a major subplot in the story...one I initially viewed as an element supplemental to the plot and was an example demonstrative of the IP's massive depth. Now, in the third installment, we see just how drastically the focus has shifted to humanity. People claim, maybe secretly pessimistic themselves, that we don't know enough to make a fair assessment. I can understand their point. But it comes to the game's description...ONE FINAL BATTLE TO RETAKE THE EARTH. There is no denying what is in store. We must not only visit Earth, we must fight a battle to take it back.

I was just expecting more, that is all. I was expecting something original and epic. I, along with many others, perceived the focus of Mass Effect up until now to be about stopping a perpetual cycle of systematic eradiation and harvesting of the Milky Way galaxy from a truly, fully awe-inspiring and characterized race of god-like machines.

Not about retaking Earth.

Sure, Earth has a proper role, no doubt. And until now, that role itself has been minimized. Closest you got was pulling it up on your screen and reading info or landing on Luna.

Now, the climax of Mass Effect 3, and the entire trilogy, is going to occur on the planet we live on.

I was so pumped for ME3. I am just sad now. So are many others. Checking out other blogging sites and forums, I see that my perspective is wide-spread.

I really like your line of thinking even though I don't fully agree with it. 

Let me ask you something.  Would you feel more satisfied if we spent 80% of the game in the Citadel, other planets and in space only to conclude the final battle in our backyard?  That might make the game not so centralized around humanity and earth.  I ask because I suspect that's how the game will play out.  Well, I hope. :-)

[sympathy4saren]

Man, your right. In fact, let's have no other races in the game at all. I mean, since none of those alien species really exist, on those homeworlds that don't exist and therefore won't buy the game. Why have them in the game when we have humanity! And Earth! I wonder what Earth looks like? I never saw a large battle take place on or around Earth before! I wonder what it will be like? I wonder what color the atmosphere is, and what Earth's biosphere is composited of?

[King Gigglez]

Atilius the Hun wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

@ Had-to-say

Haha I know man, its almost as if it is an appeasement to the new group of fans joining from PS3 and/or first person shooters. The stop-Earth-from-aliens theme in video games is as "redundant" as zombie killing. There is a market for those games...not something I expected at all from Mass Effect. I understand where humanity fits into all of it, most certainly. Sure, I absolutely know BioWare will present excellent characterization, tremendous dialogue and an airtight, detailed yet simple user interface and controls/gameplay. Music will be fantastic. I can even bet that they'll tie in how the galaxy has avoided the threat of the Reapers. I know that an epic story must ever evolve....but this shift in the plot towards a more focus and centralization of humanity (and now Earth) takes so much away from the Mass Effect universe. Humanity and humanity's rise has always been a major subplot in the story...one I initially viewed as an element supplemental to the plot and was an example demonstrative of the IP's massive depth. Now, in the third installment, we see just how drastically the focus has shifted to humanity. People claim, maybe secretly pessimistic themselves, that we don't know enough to make a fair assessment. I can understand their point. But it comes to the game's description...ONE FINAL BATTLE TO RETAKE THE EARTH. There is no denying what is in store. We must not only visit Earth, we must fight a battle to take it back.

I was just expecting more, that is all. I was expecting something original and epic. I, along with many others, perceived the focus of Mass Effect up until now to be about stopping a perpetual cycle of systematic eradiation and harvesting of the Milky Way galaxy from a truly, fully awe-inspiring and characterized race of god-like machines.

Not about retaking Earth.

Sure, Earth has a proper role, no doubt. And until now, that role itself has been minimized. Closest you got was pulling it up on your screen and reading info or landing on Luna.

Now, the climax of Mass Effect 3, and the entire trilogy, is going to occur on the planet we live on.

I was so pumped for ME3. I am just sad now. So are many others. Checking out other blogging sites and forums, I see that my perspective is wide-spread.

I really like your line of thinking even though I don't fully agree with it. 

Let me ask you something.  Would you feel more satisfied if we spent 80% of the game in the Citadel, other planets and in space only to conclude the final battle in our backyard?  That might make the game not so centralized around humanity and earth.  I ask because I suspect that's how the game will play out.  Well, I hope. :-)

I hope (though it would probibly never happen) that the game starts on Earth, Sheppard is disorganized and unprepared for a fight of this magnitude you lose Earth in the beggining. The Reapers start to take over Turian's, Asari's and other major species home worlds as well, having lost Earth (not destroyed but unprepared to deal with) you try to save the aliens as well, starting with those who have the least amount of reapers attacking and you go with your team, as well as other teams of three spread out and try to take back what is being attacked. Granted I doubt that would happen, and I probibly didn't describe that well, but I would have rather the game spent 3/4 or more on other planets, etc. then to have the majority of it be on Earth, but thats just me.

[Atilius the Hun]

King Gigglez wrote...

Atilius the Hun wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

@ Had-to-say

Haha I know man, its almost as if it is an appeasement to the new group of fans joining from PS3 and/or first person shooters. The stop-Earth-from-aliens theme in video games is as "redundant" as zombie killing. There is a market for those games...not something I expected at all from Mass Effect. I understand where humanity fits into all of it, most certainly. Sure, I absolutely know BioWare will present excellent characterization, tremendous dialogue and an airtight, detailed yet simple user interface and controls/gameplay. Music will be fantastic. I can even bet that they'll tie in how the galaxy has avoided the threat of the Reapers. I know that an epic story must ever evolve....but this shift in the plot towards a more focus and centralization of humanity (and now Earth) takes so much away from the Mass Effect universe. Humanity and humanity's rise has always been a major subplot in the story...one I initially viewed as an element supplemental to the plot and was an example demonstrative of the IP's massive depth. Now, in the third installment, we see just how drastically the focus has shifted to humanity. People claim, maybe secretly pessimistic themselves, that we don't know enough to make a fair assessment. I can understand their point. But it comes to the game's description...ONE FINAL BATTLE TO RETAKE THE EARTH. There is no denying what is in store. We must not only visit Earth, we must fight a battle to take it back.

I was just expecting more, that is all. I was expecting something original and epic. I, along with many others, perceived the focus of Mass Effect up until now to be about stopping a perpetual cycle of systematic eradiation and harvesting of the Milky Way galaxy from a truly, fully awe-inspiring and characterized race of god-like machines.

Not about retaking Earth.

Sure, Earth has a proper role, no doubt. And until now, that role itself has been minimized. Closest you got was pulling it up on your screen and reading info or landing on Luna.

Now, the climax of Mass Effect 3, and the entire trilogy, is going to occur on the planet we live on.

I was so pumped for ME3. I am just sad now. So are many others. Checking out other blogging sites and forums, I see that my perspective is wide-spread.

I really like your line of thinking even though I don't fully agree with it. 

Let me ask you something.  Would you feel more satisfied if we spent 80% of the game in the Citadel, other planets and in space only to conclude the final battle in our backyard?  That might make the game not so centralized around humanity and earth.  I ask because I suspect that's how the game will play out.  Well, I hope. :-)

I hope (though it would probibly never happen) that the game starts on Earth, Sheppard is disorganized and unprepared for a fight of this magnitude you lose Earth in the beggining. The Reapers start to take over Turian's, Asari's and other major species home worlds as well, having lost Earth (not destroyed but unprepared to deal with) you try to save the aliens as well, starting with those who have the least amount of reapers attacking and you go with your team, as well as other teams of three spread out and try to take back what is being attacked. Granted I doubt that would happen, and I probibly didn't describe that well, but I would have rather the game spent 3/4 or more on other planets, etc. then to have the majority of it be on Earth, but thats just me.

Now that scenario would make me happy.

[MonsterFish]

So now when all reapers are on earth, we could just blow it up. At least we have never seen that in sci-fi.