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[Mage One]

AwesomeName wrote...

Most people think that the Haestrom
situation is how they'll get in.  I suspect they don't have a "2nd Death
Star", but actually Haestrom is their plan B and is a plan that is so
dangerous for the Reapers that doing it is an extreme act of desperation
for them.  Perhaps they are trying to collapse Haestrom into a black
hole and create a gateway that is far more crude, violent and perilous
than using the citadel.

I really like the idea of that.  I've never really paid attention to the discussion you reference, but to me it does seem like the Citidel played a more vital role to  them than just saving them a trip.  Viewed the other way it just makes
the end of ME seemed a bit, well, almost silly.  There has to be a  greater reason than saving an immortal race a two-year flight accross  space that they've been using the Citidel for every other invasion we're aware of, and I think this idea covers all the issues pretty well.

Also, I have nothing against there being a battle on Earth.  I don't even mind there being a big battle on Earth.  I just don't like the idea of the battle against the reapers boiling down to one gigantic battle over the Earth.  It's that notion that bothers me, in part becauseof how ridiculous it seems in the ME Universe.  I always got the impression that the reapers, while probably mad a Shepard, weren't  planning to attack humanity so much as all of advanced galactic civilization.  This entire time we've been given the impression that humanity is formidable, yes, but clearly not the spine or heart of galactic civilization.  We're just emerging on the scene, and while we have made significant advances, we're not necessarily the most advanced race or even the greatest threat.  Given that and Virgil's description, it just makes more sense to me that the invasion would be on a wider scale, striking multiple points of galactic importance, not hitting the strategically non-critical home planet of one of the galaxies advanced races with everything they have.

Mind you, I don't think it's going to come to that.  I was just commenting on the trailer and the information that got released with it.  That information suggests what I'm remarking on, but I really think, or at least I hope, Bioware won't make it that simple.  The trailer still looked very nice for a teaser trailer, and I am looking forward to the game.

EDIT:  Fixed really wierd formatting that somehow popped up.

Modifié par Mage One, 20 décembre 2010 - 08:11 .

[Mage One]

AwesomeName wrote...

I don't think this is fair really - a lot of us ARE happy to be seeing Earth - and most of us understand why the Reapers would attack: to make their (latest?) reaper and/or to stop humanity from saving the galaxy. 

That's not what most of those people I assume you're referring to are worried about.  Based on the game description, the entire game is focussed on saving Earth.  Not the galaxy.  Earth.  The first game built up the premise for the whole game - in the same way Lost established in its first episode that they had to get off the island and have an ending, ME1 established that they had to stop the Reapers from wiping out all galactic civilisation.  That's primarily what's at stake.  The whole story is about Shepard trying to stop the Reapers from doing that.  That is Shepard's raison d'etre.  It's not just about stopping them from building another reaper.

Now I know many people will argue that stopping them at Earth will mean saving the galaxy - but the problem many folk have with that is that the game will feel like we're saving Earth first, and that saving the galaxy will feel epilogueal (+100000pts for inventing new word).  I'm fine if this is just one possible playthrough of the game that's available for the renegade pro-cerberus players.  For the paragon spectres though, I think the primary, not secondary, focus should be saving the galaxy, not Earth, and that the final battle should be somewhere else, because symbolically I think this would not conflict with the original premise.  AGAIN, glad as hell that Earth is apart of it, and I completely agree that it makes it more personal - but I really hope, at LEAST for the paragon pro-galaxy players, that Earth is just an initial chapter in the game, and that saving the galaxy is the primary focus, as it was in the first game.

Or, you know, I could have just not written anything and instead waited for you to comment so I could just say, "Yes, that." 

[EverlastingBlues]

Beerfish wrote...

Reaper minoin: "Master, what earth country should we devastate first?"
Reaper Lord: "Which country invented cricket?"
Reaper minion: "England master."
Reaper Lord: "Obliterate them!"

MY FAVORITE.  

[EverlastingBlues]

thompsmt wrote...

Drodjan wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The Illusive man will be bringing Winston Churchill back for this.

Hahahaha! "WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER!" *chomps cigar*

Nah Bioware wouldn't allow that, Winston Churchill + Shepard, the game would only be 5 minutes long.

Concur!

We just might find out where Earthborn Shepard grew up.

Imagine if they brought back Teddy Roosevelt.  

[sympathy4saren]

When the Reapers do a more thorough examination of humanity, they are going to discover and learn about Reality TV. This will cause them to cry and beg for forgiveness as they scramble over each other trying to high-tail it back to dark space ASAP.

[sympathy4saren]

Haha (yes, laughing at my own awesome joke) I just holecthe story isn't about saving Earth and refocuses in saving the entire galaxy from this perpetual cycle. That, along with non-decharacterization of the Reapers and a viable reason on how the enter the galaxy (because we all knew they would....they had to), and I'm extremely satisfied, cause I know BioWare will make the rest incredible.

[IrishGunman]

sympathy4saren wrote...

When the Reapers do a more thorough examination of humanity, they are going to discover and learn about Reality TV. This will cause them to cry and beg for forgiveness as they scramble over each other trying to high-tail it back to dark space ASAP.

I wonder what would happen if we showed the Geth MTV 

[PSUHammer]

AwesomeName wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

well i on hand loks foward to seeing earth in ME 3 and on the other i hope that ginat mechanivla squids of domm will cause some serious damage on it cuz sorry but it is realy making me angry how in every scifi epic battles are on earth and that earth will alway  get out almost unscathed(spelling?) and how human are poor litle people bullied by other well it is porphabyl the reason why i like B5 so much.... adn let the flaming comence..or start or whatever

LOL.

what?  i just was not sure if it is the proper spelling gee

Gee?  No, don't say gee.  Instead, be happy and laugh at yourself.  I thought it was hilariously ironic how you spelled so many words wrong in that sentence when one of the only words you spelled right was the one you were worried about

I think everyone else caught the irony here, as well.  Win!   :happy:

[Ghost lead]

Im Commander Shepard and this is my favorite fourm on Social Bioware









But on another hand, do we know when any new info will come out

[IrishGunman]

Ghost lead wrote...

Im Commander Shepard and this is my favorite fourm on Social Bioware




But on another hand, do we know when any new info will come out

I would say around April.

[Ghost lead]

alrighty, personally I hope Thane's son joins you, and Wrex and every friend that is willing to fight to the end of epicness with you in ME3

[invictus12]

They weren't kidding about the London Bridge falling down.

[joltmajor]

 I don't want to go through 75 pages of this, but aside from visuals this trailer seems seriously disappointing.  Earth invasion really?  Doesn't that plot line seem a bit trite?

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

I really hope the writers know what they are doing, because from the miniscule amount of info we have about this game so far, it looks to have devolved into every other sci-fi game/ B-movie out there storywise.


Other than that I'm sure the gameplay will be amazing, they have had 2 games to perfect it... but now they are held to higher standards, if the gameplay ISN'T amazing, people will be disappointed.

Modifié par joltmajor, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:29 .

[invictus12]

It's kind of funny that people are already judging the game when we don't know jacksh*t about it. Besides if ME3 sucks oh well it's just a video game. It aint the end of the world.

[Aidoru Kami]

joltmajor wrote...

 I don't want to go through 75 pages of this, but aside from visuals this trailer seems seriously disappointing.  Earth invasion really?  Doesn't that plot line seem a bit trite?

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

I really hope the writers know what they are doing, because from the miniscule amount of info we have about this game so far, it looks to have devolved into every other sci-fi game/ B-movie out there storywise.


Other than that I'm sure the gameplay will be amazing, they have had 2 games to perfect it... but now they are held to higher standards, if the gameplay ISN'T amazing, people will be disappointed.

Earth is still the human HOMEWORLD, and thus the world with the most humans on it. They really had no choice but to go there.

[Ghost lead]

joltmajor wrote...

 I don't want to go through 75 pages of this, but aside from visuals this trailer seems seriously disappointing.  Earth invasion really?  Doesn't that plot line seem a bit trite?

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

I really hope the writers know what they are doing, because from the miniscule amount of info we have about this game so far, it looks to have devolved into every other sci-fi game/ B-movie out there storywise.


Other than that I'm sure the gameplay will be amazing, they have had 2 games to perfect it... but now they are held to higher standards, if the gameplay ISN'T amazing, people will be disappointed.

I wont be disappointed, matter of fact, this is just a trailer, and if you haven't noticed the trailer is called Earth, which means by some people that there will be other trailers of other worlds and what is going with them.... and personally we are judging this trailer like we judged the ME2 teaser trailer omg people were acting like they ripped off their krogan testicles and screamed OMG SHEPARD is dead... ME2 will FAIL!!!!

Really I mean I think we all know here that ME3 will be different (the writers at Bioware are not stupid!), and if you played ME2 in very great detail you will notice that it kinda states who is going to get hit, and where and who will get affected first.

[RAF1940]

Aidoru Kami wrote...

joltmajor wrote...

 I don't want to go through 75 pages of this, but aside from visuals this trailer seems seriously disappointing.  Earth invasion really?  Doesn't that plot line seem a bit trite?

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

I really hope the writers know what they are doing, because from the miniscule amount of info we have about this game so far, it looks to have devolved into every other sci-fi game/ B-movie out there storywise.


Other than that I'm sure the gameplay will be amazing, they have had 2 games to perfect it... but now they are held to higher standards, if the gameplay ISN'T amazing, people will be disappointed.

Earth is still the human HOMEWORLD, and thus the world with the most humans on it. They really had no choice but to go there.

This is absolutely true. Also Harbinger said "You have the attention of those infinitely your greater."

Obviously, he is referring to the Reapers. Therefore, they are going to be focusing on humanity in their invasion.

Why? A human kicked a Reaper's ass. Twice.


The Reapers pretty much have to attack Earth in ME3.

[Ghost lead]

RAF1940 wrote...

Aidoru Kami wrote...

joltmajor wrote...

 I don't want to go through 75 pages of this, but aside from visuals this trailer seems seriously disappointing.  Earth invasion really?  Doesn't that plot line seem a bit trite?

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

I really hope the writers know what they are doing, because from the miniscule amount of info we have about this game so far, it looks to have devolved into every other sci-fi game/ B-movie out there storywise.


Other than that I'm sure the gameplay will be amazing, they have had 2 games to perfect it... but now they are held to higher standards, if the gameplay ISN'T amazing, people will be disappointed.

Earth is still the human HOMEWORLD, and thus the world with the most humans on it. They really had no choice but to go there.

This is absolutely true. Also Harbinger said "You have the attention of those infinitely your greater."

Obviously, he is referring to the Reapers. Therefore, they are going to be focusing on humanity in their invasion.

Why? A human kicked a Reaper's ass. Twice.


The Reapers pretty much have to attack Earth in ME3.

Indeed but remember there maybe be more to the repears then before, we do not know what they are capable of and all.... I can accept that Earth is the main target, but also the repears want Shepard not just humans they rather would trade shepard then anything, but don't forget the cycle is still moving and is stil on time so its up to Shepard to either defend the galaxy or defend humanity s, but this ME3 anything can happen

Modifié par Ghost lead, 21 décembre 2010 - 06:00 .

[RAF1940]

joltmajor wrote...

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

Also, this isn't true. Being the human homeworld, it will obviously have more humans than any other planet. It would be like the number of asari on a planet that is basically theirs like Illium. Or the vorcha on Omega (That was a joke).

Either way, Earth is very important. For both sentimental and unemotional reasons.

[Daryst]

The only cure against these Reapers are Cowbells, I gotta have more Cowbells!

[Sith Reaper]

RAF1940 wrote...

joltmajor wrote...

Not to mention in the setting of ME humanity has moved on to different worlds, and expanded it's civilization, there is really no more urgency to save Earth over any other world, besides for sentimental reasons...

Also, this isn't true. Being the human homeworld, it will obviously have more humans than any other planet. It would be like the number of asari on a planet that is basically theirs like Illium. Or the vorcha on Omega (That was a joke).

Either way, Earth is very important. For both sentimental and unemotional reasons.

Right. 11.5 billion people on Earth, according to the codex. Most of them being native, I would assume? In comparison to colonies like Eden Prime and Tera Nova with around five million people each, Earth is an enormous target. Furthermore, it is the capital of the Alliance, which means it is the crown of Alliance infrastructure. It is a huge target, as taking Earth destroys the power system in place, and causes widespread panic as well. 

That is not to say there aren't other important worlds, such as the other alien homeworlds, large colonies, and the Citadel, but with humanity being the leading race in recent years (repelling two Reaper attempts at wiping out their civilization, and gaining a large influence over politics and military, social, and economic power in the galaxy), and Earth being the heart of humanity, it is understandably a big target.

Not to mention, they have been building this up since the beginning ("Even Earth isn't safe!", "Earth. They are going after Earth.", "I have a small house on the hills back on Earth."). The rise of humanity, the expansion of their dominance, the Reapers becoming more and more interested in them, the high regard for Earth shown in conversations. Anyway, destroying humanity will weaken the entire galaxy, in the Reapers eyes, so it is their biggest target. 

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:18 .

[joltmajor]

^ Touché.

[Sith Reaper]

joltmajor wrote...

^ Touché.

I edited my post to go even further. 

Anyway, I also think that the buildup to Earth is only a part of ME3. As said by Chris Priestly and others on these very forums, just because they only showed Earth in the trailer doesn't mean Earth is the only planet in the game, or is the only focus. Exploration of the galaxy and relationships with species across many worlds has always been a huge theme in Mass Effect, the galaxy map being a huge game interface in itself. They wouldn't remove that. You also don't have to be on Earth the entire game to save it, right?

Logically, there are other conclusions, too, against that argument. They have been building up hints that you will be uniting certain races and so on in ME3, like the quarians and geth, for example; if this is true, then there will obviously be more to the game than saving Earth. Similarly, a Reaper invasion towards Earth only would not be logical. There are hundreds of Reapers, and it would be odd to think they would attack only one planet in the game. For the other races to become involved, you could also assume the invasion stems farther than one planet, and across more than one race. Otherwise, the Collectors would have been noticed by the Council, no? I know BioWare is logical, and they have most likely thought about these arguments when developing the plot for Mass Effect 3.

Furthermore, it is simply a trailer. Earth is only part of the Mass Effect universe, this is not a shift towards Earth being the majority of the game, etc. It only shows that they have finally hit home, and that the stakes are raised to stop them. 

(this isn't really directed towards your post, jolt, just me saying things )

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:31 .

[Daryst]

I still find it funny that some people are quite short sighted. If ME3 centered only on Earth, why would you go out all over the galaxy and involve yourself in some of the biggest problems.

Geth and Quarians have already been mentioned, but how about your influence on Tuchanka? Your choices there can also have quite the impression on the next game.

Or all the factions those legal or illegal that you have been running into, those will not just dissapear and your relation it self to the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Daryst, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:18 .