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[Jagri]

Inverness Moon wrote...
I dismiss that whole notion that the reaper's age automatically makes their technology beyond our comprehension.

How much time have they spent hibernating in dark space? When have they ever needed to advance their technology in order to meet a new threat?

No matter what you say, hacking by nature is not magic. If the reapers could do something that was beyond hacking, such as physically controlling the atoms in a computer somehow (magic), then the prothean's safety measure that forced Sovereign and Saren to try to open the Citadel relay manually wouldn't have worked. You have nothing to support your claim that reapers can do anything like that.

There is that short sightness often displayed by the Turian Counciler "I or we dismiss this claim". You know how foolish his dismissing had made him right?

You know hibernation doesn't mean to completely shut itself down but to conserve energy by fuctioning more slowly. I am sure the AI mind is partially active and during those times are going over data, preformances, research, etc and improving on itself.

Do you know magic is a term for science too? Its when something is far too advance to understand from our base of understanding. Seeming to completely dismiss theories and laws which we know as absolute truths. Sovereigns capabilities might not be the same as Harbingers. Didn't you notice diffirences in structures and patterns? Sovereign could be design specially for combat where Harbinger can do these things we could only dismiss as magic. Like assuming control of a organic lifes form from galaxies away.

I wouldn't make that assumption without knowing how indoctrination worked. And apparently the reaper wasn't dead enough to fall into the brown dwarf it was orbiting.

So here is a question, how much do you think Cerberus knew about indoctrination when they set up shop on the derelict reaper?

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Unless they were unable to get the reports Shepard made about Soverign's capabilities then I simply overestimated the reach and intelligence gathering of Cerberus.

Sorry, but your sayings and examples are not appropriate. You can't hack a computer wirelessly, like with an omnitool, unless that computer has a wireless port open. What you're saying is akin to claiming that you could hack a computer through a wired connection after I just cut it with some scissors.

Quantum entanglement communication cannot be intercepted. And the design that was specified for a bomb would use that to communicate with the detonator. It could not be hacked without a physical connection, and any attempt at a physical connection would detonate it.

 
Guess what Quantum entanglement is? A Theory. Like all theory's its based on contemplation and speculation. So while it may be established in the known universe that Quantum Entanglement Communication cannot be intercepted it might have been something the Reapers have mastered or learned methods or ways around it.

Modifié par Jagri, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:31 .

[Vaenier]

Jagri wrote...

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Teams were not working in shifts and when they start to learn they were sharing memories no actions was taken. Thus they they had thrown themselves on spikes and made themselves husks.

You mean the fact Bioware did all that for the sole purpose of making a level inside a Reaper? That is your argument against cerberus safety protocals, bioware hitting them with the stupid bat just for the sake of gameplay...

They have existed for a long time with numerous ops and only now when bioware is making a story for you to play in that they begin screwing up.

[Jagri]

Vaenier wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Teams were not working in shifts and when they start to learn they were sharing memories no actions was taken. Thus they they had thrown themselves on spikes and made themselves husks.

You mean the fact Bioware did all that for the sole purpose of making a level inside a Reaper? That is your argument against cerberus safety protocals, bioware hitting them with the stupid bat just for the sake of gameplay...

They have existed for a long time with numerous ops and only now when bioware is making a story for you to play in that they begin screwing up.

Within two years I can name several incidents in which Cerberus given lack of planning or safety measures lead to the death of over half if not more the total number EDI stated of 150 operatives. Project Overlord nearly sent the galaxy into chaos with a VI Virus that acted alot like Skynet from a Terminator movie. A virus so strong it would have overwhelmed EDI who is a AI.

Perhaps they had a purpose on fuction but now they are playing with technology well beyond their capability to handle or control.

Modifié par Jagri, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Inverness Moon]

Jagri wrote...

There is that short sightness often displayed by the Turian Counciler "I or we dismiss this claim". You know how foolish his dismissing had made him right?

Are you trying to compare me to him in order to get some sort of reaction?

Jagri wrote...

You know hibernation doesn't mean to completely shut itself down but to conserve energy by fuctioning more slowly. I am sure the AI mind is partially active and during those times are going over data, preformances, research, etc and improving on itself.

No, you're not sure. We don't know exactly what that reapers are going when they hibernate. Whether or not reaper minds bother to stay active during those times and go over data depends on what has changed from the previous time. The more they perfect their cycle the less they need to review each one. See the law of large numbers.

Jagri wrote...

Do you know magic is a term for science too? Its when something is far too advance to understand from our base of understanding. Seeming to completely dismiss theories and laws which we know as absolute truths. Sovereigns capabilities might not be the same as Harbingers. Didn't you notice diffirences in structures and patterns? Sovereign could be design specially for combat where Harbinger can do these things we could only dismiss as magic. Like assuming control of a organic lifes form from galaxies away.

Yes I'm familiar with that saying by Arthur C. Clarke. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that what the reapers can do can be compared to magic in any way. Harbinger's ability to control organic life from vast distances is explained in Retribution. Hint: it isn't magic.

Jagri wrote...

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Unless they were unable to get the reports Shepard made about Soverign's capabilities then I simply overestimated the reach and intelligence gathering of Cerberus.

No you're not sure what Cerberus knew, you just assume for whatever reason, most likely to perpetuate your view that Cerberus is reckless.

I doubt Cerberus has access to information restricted to the Council and its spectres. There is a greater chance of them having information from Shepard since he is also with the Alliance, but not much.

Jagri wrote...

 
Guess what Quantum entanglement is? A Theory. Like all theory's its based on contemplation and speculation. So while it may be established in the known universe that Quantum Entanglement Communication cannot be intercepted it might have been something the Reapers have mastered or learned methods or ways around it.

Quantum entanglement may be a theory in this universe but in the Mass Effect universe is NOT a theory. It is used on the Normandy to communicate with TIM, and it is used by the reapers for reasons revealed in Retribution.

Unless you can come up with a good reason for why the reapers would be able to intercept a form of communication where no medium exists to be intercepted, then I'll just consider that as likely as them being able to snap their fingers and cause the universe to implode.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[Sajuro]

Vaenier wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Teams were not working in shifts and when they start to learn they were sharing memories no actions was taken. Thus they they had thrown themselves on spikes and made themselves husks.

You mean the fact Bioware did all that for the sole purpose of making a level inside a Reaper? That is your argument against cerberus safety protocals, bioware hitting them with the stupid bat just for the sake of gameplay...

They have existed for a long time with numerous ops and only now when bioware is making a story for you to play in that they begin screwing up.

Then Bioware must have been beating them with the stupid bat since before the beginning of Mass Effect 1. Cerberus safety protocol is nonexistent, not on Pragia, not on the colony that got taken over by Thorian creepers, and not on the derelict Reaper. And we can't forget Overlord
Cerberus must have had successful operations, but since we haven't seen them succeed other than Lazerus (which went to **** shortly there after), we can't use them to judge Cerberus only what we have seen/ had more evidence of than "trust us, it happened"

[Inverness Moon]

Sajuro wrote...

Then Bioware must have been beating them with the stupid bat since before the beginning of Mass Effect 1. Cerberus safety protocol is nonexistent, not on Pragia, not on the colony that got taken over by Thorian creepers, and not on the derelict Reaper. And we can't forget Overlord
Cerberus must have had successful operations, but since we haven't seen them succeed other than Lazerus (which went to **** shortly there after), we can't use them to judge Cerberus only what we have seen/ had more evidence of than "trust us, it happened"

A Cerberus project being a failure doesn't mean safety protocol is nonexistent. That is a false dichotomy.

[Vaenier]

Sajuro wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Jagri wrote...

Oh I am sure Cerberus knew the capabilities of Sovereign and indoctrination. Yet they took little to no measure to protect themselves from it. Teams were not working in shifts and when they start to learn they were sharing memories no actions was taken. Thus they they had thrown themselves on spikes and made themselves husks.

You mean the fact Bioware did all that for the sole purpose of making a level inside a Reaper? That is your argument against cerberus safety protocals, bioware hitting them with the stupid bat just for the sake of gameplay...

They have existed for a long time with numerous ops and only now when bioware is making a story for you to play in that they begin screwing up.

Then Bioware must have been beating them with the stupid bat since before the beginning of Mass Effect 1. Cerberus safety protocol is nonexistent, not on Pragia, not on the colony that got taken over by Thorian creepers, and not on the derelict Reaper. And we can't forget Overlord
Cerberus must have had successful operations, but since we haven't seen them succeed other than Lazerus (which went to **** shortly there after), we can't use them to judge Cerberus only what we have seen/ had more evidence of than "trust us, it happened"

It feels dissapointing. Bioware trys to write an organisation that does what has to ben done, even when nobody likes it, doing questionable black ops, and manipulating politics. a real interesting organisation. then it just turns into the pinicle of incompitance with an evil quota. meh. I think i will give up with them. -.=.-

I still want to give the base to someone who can use it. I will park in orbit with Mordin and Legion studying it if I have to.

[Jagri]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Are you trying to compare me to him in order to get some sort of reaction?

Nope just pointing out how short sighted it is...

No, you're not sure. We don't know exactly what that reapers are going when they hibernate. Whether or not reaper minds bother to stay active during those times and go over data depends on what has changed from the previous time. The more they perfect their cycle the less they need to review each one. See the law of large numbers.

Assuming quite a bit once more about a race of beings that have been around longer then the time most sentience life was still evoling. No further comment needed...

Yes I'm familiar with that saying by Arthur C. Clarke. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe that what the reapers can do can be compared to magic in any way. Harbinger's ability to control organic life from vast distances is explained in Retribution. Hint: it isn't magic.

Aha so once you understand how something works it becomes science  good job!

No you're not sure what Cerberus knew, you just assume for whatever reason, most likely to perpetuate your view that Cerberus is reckless.

I doubt Cerberus has access to information restricted to the Council and its spectres. There is a greater chance of them having information from Shepard since he is also with the Alliance, but not much.

No Cerberus ain't wreckless its not like within the past two years in Mass Effect they didn't suffer several failed experiments and incidents which threaten the stability of the galaxy... Oh wait they did next!
 

Quantum entanglement may be a theory in this universe but in the Mass Effect universe is NOT a theory. It is used on the Normandy to communicate with TIM, and it is used by the reapers for reasons revealed in Retribution.

Unless you can come up with a good reason for why the reapers would be able to intercept a form of communication where no medium exists to be intercepted, then I'll just consider that as likely as them being able to snap their fingers and cause the universe to implode.

You said it yourself the Reapers are capable of using quantum entanglement communication. Appearently  they have been using it far longer then humanity and that would be a established fact? So based on that I would say given greater time studying and using that form of communication they may know abilities to circumvent it.
 
Underestimating a enemy potentially millions of years old is rather dangerous.

Modifié par Jagri, 17 décembre 2010 - 04:33 .

[Thompson family]

Just a very quick loose ends to tie:

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Maybe I'm not understanding your point. My point is that TIM has no one on the Normandy that is going to be on his side and he has no ablity to take control of the ship so that makes him powerless...

I'm not nearly so confident of Shepard's control.  My point though, is purely speculative and takes this debate far from the what we know and into my own very deep distrust of TIM.

EDI was still bound by programming by TIM during the time the IFF device was analyzed, installed and started transmitting until Joker threw all EDI's switches during the collector attack. My deep suspicion is that all relevant data about the IFF was sent to TIM while the IFF was being installed and tested. This would allow TIM to duplicate the IFF. That would grant him access to the Collector base through the Omega 4 relay -- without the Normandy.

[Inverness Moon]

Jagri wrote...

Assuming quite a bit once more about a race of beings that have been around longer then the time most sentience life was still evoling. No further comment needed...

How long they've been around matters little.

Jagri wrote...
Aha so once you understand how something works it becomes science  good job!

Unlike you, I never compared it to magic in the first place.

Jagri wrote...

No Cerberus ain't wreckless its not like within the past two years in Mass Effect they didn't suffer several failed experiments and incidents which threaten the stability of the galaxy... Oh wait they did next!
 

Failed experiments do not necessarily mean Cerberus was reckless for obvious reasons.

Jagri wrote...

You said it yourself the Reapers are capable of using quantum entanglement communication. Appearently  they have been using it far longer then humanity and that would be a established fact? So based on that I would say given greater time studying and using that form of communication they may know abilities to circumvent it.
 
Underestimating a enemy potentially millions of years old is rather dangerous.

Just because the reapers have been using quantum entanglement for so long does not mean they can circumvent it.

You don't seem to have very many substantive arguments when it comes to the reapers, so you rely on the idea that that their age or experience means that they can do magical things beyond our comprehension or some other nonsense. I'm sorry but that is not how it works. The reapers being millions of years old doesn't mean their intellect or their technology advances on some sort of constant scale that we can never match or understand. Just because the reapers have been using a technology much longer than the rest of the galaxy doesn't mean they can do the impossible with it. Quantum entanglement communication can't be intercepted because there is nothing to intercept.

If you don't have any arguments to make other than "the reapers are X years older than us" or something similar then we're done.

[Jagri]

Dismissing a race's capabilites to wage war on the galaxy successfully for several cycles against verious races and civilizations is... Foolish. Evidently I will have to categorize perspective and views based on your side of the debate as simple "Humans are special" or arrogance.

Perhaps its a false confidence in believing that since the Protheans managed to circumvent the Reaper invasion that it somehow will become the very undoing of the Reapers.

While I cannot provide detail information on the capabilities the Reapers I can put up a example. If you were to take a modern carrier fleet back in time to the events of WWII its abilities would be consider "Magic" by everyone even thou they have the base of that technology. Of course with the right minds looking over a CVN they might come to grasp how it works or its fighter wings. So in a span of 67 year (( Traveled back to 1943 )) technology would be hard to grasp if not almost alien to the people of those times yet they have the the origins of the technology which makes up a modern battle fleet. Now the people of the Mass Effect universe has the basic origins of Mass Effect technology but here comes this race who has developed and used it for potentially millions of years.

People back in WWII as they stumbled on the radar I am sure didn't think it could be circumvented ether but then here comes the F-22 Raptor ((Would not be used on a modern carrier group but just used as a example)). While TIM and Cerberus may have a quantum entanglement communication device it doesn't mean they know exactly everything about it. That within the system there could be expolits.

Thats as far as I am willing to break it down before throwing in the towel.

Oh and on a side note if people are using Mass Effect technology then they are moving along a predictable path. The Quantum entanglement communication device would likely be known as a possiable developement so logically wouldn't the Reapers have counter measures for such devices? 

Modifié par Jagri, 17 décembre 2010 - 06:53 .

[shumworld]

I'm curious as to there being repercussions for some of the Paragon repercussions like the choice to preserve the Collector Base.

[jbblue05]

@ Vaenier


Arguing with Paragons about Cerberus is pointless they expect and hope for the worst from Cerberus. So when  they make an opinion about Cerberus don't argue with them its just pointless

Cerberus isn't super-nice so Paragons hate them.

Saving the Base IS the smart choice
Destroying the base is the smart choice based off of the Cerberus is Evil slippery slope

[TuringPoint]

Jagri wrote...

Dismissing a race's capabilites to wage war on the galaxy successfully for several cycles against verious races and civilizations is... Foolish. Evidently I will have to categorize perspective and views based on your side of the debate as simple "Humans are special" or arrogance.

Dismissing a weapon only the Reapers can use is also foolish; so is not taking the chance to destroy that weapon when you can, but floundering on, "bbbb--but we can use it too!!"  That's just desperation.  If we can win the war, with the Reapers coming fast and hard, with the base, then we can win it without the base.

Modifié par Alocormin, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:30 .

[dildeinstein]

jbblue05 wrote...

@ Vaenier


Arguing with Paragons about Cerberus is pointless they expect and hope for the worst from Cerberus. So when  they make an opinion about Cerberus don't argue with them its just pointless

Cerberus isn't super-nice so Paragons hate them.

Saving the Base IS the smart choice
Destroying the base is the smart choice based off of the Cerberus is Evil slippery slope

Did you read Mass Effect: Retribution?  Destroying the C Base should be done - not because Cerberus is a zenophobic organization with tons of dangerous expirments but because the reapers are sneakier and more clever than TIM.  Any technology that comes from the reapers is dangerous and should be regarded as extremely unpredicatable - not something we can use to our benefit.

Plus as long as I've got Garrus and Joker the galaxy will be fine.

[TuringPoint]

I have never argued that Cerberus is evil. I strongly think destroying the base is the right thing.

So does Miranda, who has always had a very rational, clear concept of Cerberus' agenda, not to mention her great fundamental loyalty.

So it is a slippery slope to assume the only reason you wouldn't keep it is to show Cerberus what's what.

(That's just a convenient bonus )

Modifié par Alocormin, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Vaenier]

dildeinstein wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

@ Vaenier


Arguing with Paragons about Cerberus is pointless they expect and hope for the worst from Cerberus. So when  they make an opinion about Cerberus don't argue with them its just pointless

Cerberus isn't super-nice so Paragons hate them.

Saving the Base IS the smart choice
Destroying the base is the smart choice based off of the Cerberus is Evil slippery slope

Did you read Mass Effect: Retribution?  Destroying the C Base should be done - not because Cerberus is a zenophobic organization with tons of dangerous expirments but because the reapers are sneakier and more clever than TIM.  Any technology that comes from the reapers is dangerous and should be regarded as extremely unpredicatable - not something we can use to our benefit.

Plus as long as I've got Garrus and Joker the galaxy will be fine.

It may be that Reaper tech is dangerous to use wide spread. But with the right protocols, you can easily control it in a lab enviroment. Taking a Reaper shield generator and just strapping it on your ship would be a really stupid thing to do. Instead, you should use that generator in a lab, test fire against it, see what is the most effective way to break it. is there a weakness of it. how can you beat it. use that knowledge gained and share it with your allies. same goes for its weapons.

Its engines, disect them, see if they use any techniques that are different. dont just reproduce them part for part, but actually figure out how they work. there could be completely knew ways to look at the technology, like jumping from prop planes to jets.

or indoctrination. it would be stupid to put indoctrination on your ship... no, you want to study its effects. This is where what cerberus was suposed to be appears. they are the ones who would use a live test subject to see its effects. they would use many. they wouldnt care about the loss of life, because they are doing something that has to be done. imagine indoctrination jamming technology, or a way to make reapers indoctrinate themselves. you will never know unless you study it first.

Cerberus only ever screws up if Bioware wants to make a level out of it, or a book. And they would not give Renegede more levels than Paragon. Thus they cant screw up. lol, try to beat that logic

[i still rather give it to council or geth or something...]

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Thompson family wrote...

Just a very quick loose ends to tie:

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Maybe I'm not understanding your point. My point is that TIM has no one on the Normandy that is going to be on his side and he has no ablity to take control of the ship so that makes him powerless...

I'm not nearly so confident of Shepard's control.  My point though, is purely speculative and takes this debate far from the what we know and into my own very deep distrust of TIM.

EDI was still bound by programming by TIM during the time the IFF device was analyzed, installed and started transmitting until Joker threw all EDI's switches during the collector attack. My deep suspicion is that all relevant data about the IFF was sent to TIM while the IFF was being installed and tested. This would allow TIM to duplicate the IFF. That would grant him access to the Collector base through the Omega 4 relay -- without the Normandy.

If he got a copy of the IFF sure he could get to the base but remember if Shepard wanted to give it to the Citadel or keep it for himself he's be guarding the base. Sure TIM could send ships into Collector Base space but they'd still have to get through Shepard and his team in order to learn/scan anything and that's not going to happen.

If he can get to the base good for him. He just can't get into or near the base not with Shepard and the Normandy there.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jbblue05 wrote...

@ Vaenier


Arguing with Paragons about Cerberus is pointless they expect and hope for the worst from Cerberus. So when  they make an opinion about Cerberus don't argue with them its just pointless

Cerberus isn't super-nice so Paragons hate them.

Saving the Base IS the smart choice
Destroying the base is the smart choice based off of the Cerberus is Evil slippery slope

"Hope"? 

What an odd use of that word.


As for "slipper slope", it doesn't appear that you're using that one correctly, either.  It is typically not used when referring to a conclusion drawn from an overwhelming amount of evidence, from a pattern repeated a great many times. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[Reiella]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Then Bioware must have been beating them with the stupid bat since before the beginning of Mass Effect 1. Cerberus safety protocol is nonexistent, not on Pragia, not on the colony that got taken over by Thorian creepers, and not on the derelict Reaper. And we can't forget Overlord
Cerberus must have had successful operations, but since we haven't seen them succeed other than Lazerus (which went to **** shortly there after), we can't use them to judge Cerberus only what we have seen/ had more evidence of than "trust us, it happened"

A Cerberus project being a failure doesn't mean safety protocol is nonexistent. That is a false dichotomy.

However, it does mean their safety protocol was insufficent.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Vaenier wrote...

[i still rather give it to council or geth or something...]

The funny thing is I'd trust the Geth with the base more than I would anyone else even more than the council. We know from Legion that the true Geth rejected Reaper technology before because they wanted to make their own future free of Reaper interferance. If we gave the base to the Geth to study than whatever they learned from the base they would simply inform Shepard directly. You wouldn't have to worry about the Geth using what they learned to make themselves stronger or holding informations back for themselves because they want nothing to do with the technology but they'd have no problem giving it to Shepard. They'd only want the tech to understand how to defend themselves against the Reapers when it comes to actually fighting them they'd want to use their own tech.

[Jagri]

^ Now that sounds like a original idea.

Modifié par Jagri, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:12 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Randy1083 wrote...

We're not going to need it. Otherwise we wouldn't have been able to destroy it.

Just like how you're not going to need the rachni if you killed the queen in ME1. If defeating the Reapers depended on either of those being there, they wouldn't have given us the option to destroy them.

I agree.
In the end I THINK that keeping the base and/or saving rachni queen will be like Miranda, Samara, Thane, and the Medical Bay upgrades for the Normanday SR 2, they might help in some areas but they're not necessarily needed to win.

[Vaenier]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

We're not going to need it. Otherwise we wouldn't have been able to destroy it.

Just like how you're not going to need the rachni if you killed the queen in ME1. If defeating the Reapers depended on either of those being there, they wouldn't have given us the option to destroy them.

I agree.
In the end I THINK that keeping the base and/or saving rachni queen will be like Miranda, Samara, Thane, and the Medical Bay upgrades for the Normanday SR 2, they might help in some areas but they're not necessarily needed to win.

You may be able to win, but at what cost. It would be very disapointing that the choices are nothing but a miniscule number difference in the end, not even something to bother with. If a choice does not have a consequence, then it is not really a choice.

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

[i still rather give it to council or geth or something...]

The funny thing is I'd trust the Geth with the base more than I would anyone else even more than the council. We know from Legion that the true Geth rejected Reaper technology before because they wanted to make their own future free of Reaper interferance. If we gave the base to theGeth to study than whatever they learned from the base they would simply inform Shepard directly. You wouldn't have to worry about the Geth using what they learned to make themselves stronger or holding informations back for themselves because they want nothing to do with the technology but they'd have no problem giving it to Shepard. They'd only want the tech to understand how to defend themselves against the Reapers when it comes to actually fighting them they'd want to use theirown tech.

That is very true. The Geth are probably the best choice out of the whole galaxy. I really hope we get actual choices here.

Modifié par Vaenier, 17 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Exile Isan]

Sajuro wrote...
Then Bioware must have been beating them with the stupid bat since before the beginning of Mass Effect 1. Cerberus safety protocol is nonexistent, not on Pragia, not on the colony that got taken over by Thorian creepers, and not on the derelict Reaper. And we can't forget Overlord

You forgot one. The Listening Post missions after Noveria in ME1. Those Rachni were an escaped Cereberus project.

Should have used better security if they were going to keep a sentient species prisoner. It always make me laugh when Miranda says they "abandoned" that project when they realized they were sentient. I wanted a dialog option to tell her bull crap, you abandoned that project because the subjects escaped and I, Shepard, had to go clean it up. But I'm sure TIM would dismiss it as a rogue cell.