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[Chala]

schneeland wrote...

Well, I see the benefits of a third disc. However, I am not aware of any 360 game that has three discs, so I doubt we see that in ME 3.

there's always a first time....

[LPPrince]

schneeland wrote...

Well, I see the benefits of a third disc. However, I am not aware of any 360 game that has three discs, so I doubt we see that in ME 3.

Final Fantasy XIII, for one. That's a recent one you might've heard of.

[Dr Bob UK]

Busomjack wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Bare in mind that Microsoft increases the rates the more discs you add for their XBox 360 games. So unless you think the casual gamer would like to pay $90 for Mass Effect 3, more discs is an unlikely scenario. Not to mention that ME2's plot was designed around there being two discs because BioWare cannot assume everyone can load it onto their 360 hard drives, so the more discs you add into the mix, the more you have to alter the plot to cover disc switching.

Really?  Wasn't Final Fantasy XIII a regular priced game despite being 3 discs?(Xbox360 version)

Indeed.

Charging $90 for a videogame with multiple discs does not sound viable. At all.

Lost Oddysee for Xbox 360 came on four DVDs. I don't know how much it cost on release, but I severely doubt it was anything close to $90.

Modifié par Dr Bob UK, 12 décembre 2010 - 03:32 .

[Busomjack]

LPPrince wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Well, I see the benefits of a third disc. However, I am not aware of any 360 game that has three discs, so I doubt we see that in ME 3.

Final Fantasy XIII, for one. That's a recent one you might've heard of.

Maybe they're discs but I have found much more use out of them as a coaster set.

[charmingcharlie]

Busomjack wrote...

Really?  Wasn't Final Fantasy XIII a regular priced game despite being 3 discs?(Xbox360 version)

The problem with Final Fantasy XIII is that Microsoft went out of their way to ensure their system got that game.  It is not unreasonable to assume Microsoft gave Square Enix some concessions cost wise to ensure the Xbox 360 got that game.

The only other game (that I am aware of) that comes on more than two discs is Lost Odyssey which was published by Microsoft Game Studios so again cost wasn't an issue since it is Microsoft publishing the game.

If you actually look at the 360 catalogue 3 disc games are extremely rare.  However it is a matter of public record that some companies want to do 3 disc games but are prevented from doing it because of cost.  You just have to look at what John Carmack and Tim Willits (iD Software) have said with regard to the cost of doing a 3 disc game :-

Time Willits ..........

He did admit that instead of having five or six wasteland environments as originally planned, Rage will now only have two because of the Xbox 360's DVD limitations (one wasteland for each Xbox 360 disc). However, these two wastelands will now encompass all the content from the five or six that were originally planned. So no content has technically been "removed" from the game -- but the Xbox 360's storage limitations did cause id to rethink Rage's
entire story structure.

http://www.1up.com/n...xbox-360-limits

John Carmack .......

He also confirmed that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology.

http://www.1up.com/n...ishes-dirt-sony

So obviously there are extra costs involved when you go from 2 discs to 3 discs.  So based on costs alone Bioware will want to keep the game to 2 discs at most. 

Dr Bob UK wrote...
Lost Oddysee for Xbox 360 came on four DVDs. I don't know how much it cost on release, but I severely doubt it was anything close to $90.

As I said that game was published by Microsoft themselves which is why the game didn't cost $90.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 12 décembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[Skilled Seeker]

I hope the 360 doesn't drag the other platforms down again. I hate that piece of pathetic outdated hardware and I hate that all multiplat games cater to the lowest denominator. I wouldn't mind if the 360 got a compromised version as long as the PC and PS3 get the full no limitations experience.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 12 décembre 2010 - 03:59 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bio Addict wrote...

We need to go deeper...






17 discs

Maybe a disc within a disc? (Sorry don't know if that's an inception reference you had above )

-Polite

[LPPrince]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I hope the 360 doesn't drag the other platforms down again. I hate that piece of pathetic outdated hardware and I hate that all multiplat games cater to the lowest denominator.

Did you miss Pacifien's post on the first page of this thread?

[Pacifien]

For those who do want ME3 on more discs, I wonder if they would be content to have the game designed around having multiple discs the way ME2 was. I believe ME2 was meant to have all the dossiers available from the beginning, but they developers had to accommodate the disc swap, and so the actual gameplay was split into two distinct sections.

[LPPrince]

That's what concerns me. I want three disks, but there's no real way to have absolutely everything available at the same time.



Makes things closed off, which kinda sucks.

[schneeland]

LPPrince wrote...
Final Fantasy XIII, for one. That's a recent one you might've heard of.

Thanks. I was unaware of that, because I do not care too much about most asian-style RPGs.

[Chala]

Pacifien wrote...

For those who do want ME3 on more discs, I wonder if they would be content to have the game designed around having multiple discs the way ME2 was. I believe ME2 was meant to have all the dossiers available from the beginning, but they developers had to accommodate the disc swap, and so the actual gameplay was split into two distinct sections.

mmmm I think I gonna play the pc version of ME3, the good thing, thanks to the save editor program I can put what decisions I made in the other games

[LPPrince]

schneeland wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Final Fantasy XIII, for one. That's a recent one you might've heard of.

Thanks. I was unaware of that, because I do not care too much about most asian-style RPGs.

No problem!

[schneeland]

Well, actually I would want Microsoft to ensure every Xbox owner has a hard drive, so there would be no need to adapt the gameplay to storage limitations



However, I can perfectly live with game content being unlocked after a few decisive points - with few being 2 to 3 max. That would also allow some feeling of urgency in the story.

[Fredvdp]

schneeland wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Final Fantasy XIII, for one. That's a recent one you might've heard of.

Thanks. I was unaware of that, because I do not care too much about most asian-style RPGs.

Final Fantasy XIII is not an RPG. Square-Enix said so themselves. BioWare agrees with this saying a game where you can't make any choices that affect story and characters is not an RPG.

[Pacifien]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
mmmm I think I gonna play the pc version of ME3, the good thing, thanks to the save editor program I can put what decisions I made in the other games

But the alterations to the gameplay design of one platform will be reflected in the the others as I don't believe BioWare wants one platform to have a different experience from the next. (Don't bring up the PS3 content for ME2, I'm talking about the main game itself.) The PC version could have had all the dossiers at once, but didn't. Not without significant alterations to the coelesced.ini file and with risk that it simply broke the game.

[Orion55]

3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

[Fredvdp]

Pacifien wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
mmmm I think I gonna play the pc version of ME3, the good thing, thanks to the save editor program I can put what decisions I made in the other games

But the alterations to the gameplay design of one platform will be reflected in the the others as I don't believe BioWare wants one platform to have a different experience from the next. (Don't bring up the PS3 content for ME2, I'm talking about the main game itself.) The PC version could have had all the dossiers at once, but didn't. Not without significant alterations to the coelesced.ini file and with risk that it simply broke the game.

Which was a damn shame. BioWare didn't use the PC's strengths. This is just one example but I could list a dozen. However, I've done this way too many times already and it would be a little off-topic.

[Chala]

Pacifien wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
mmmm I think I gonna play the pc version of ME3, the good thing, thanks to the save editor program I can put what decisions I made in the other games

But the alterations to the gameplay design of one platform will be reflected in the the others as I don't believe BioWare wants one platform to have a different experience from the next. (Don't bring up the PS3 content for ME2, I'm talking about the main game itself.) The PC version could have had all the dossiers at once, but didn't. Not without significant alterations to the coelesced.ini file and with risk that it simply broke the game.

So I'm stuck.... #"%"!!

[Hathur]

Any game that has 3 discs is usually one that has a LOT of pre-rendered cinematics... I.E. Final Fantasy 13.



Mass Effect has barely any pre-rendered scenes at all, so most of that disc space is used for the actual game engine, textures, models, etc and of course in-game voice overs.



It would be pretty unlikely that Bioware would need a 3rd disc for ME3, assuming they're aiming for the same length (30-40 hours for a full playthrough) and same amount of pre-rendered scenes (i.e. barely any at all).



They'd only need a 3rd disc most likely if they drastically altered the game to include lots of pre-rendered cinematics (waste of money) or drastically lengthened the game (not likely either as Mass Effect 1&2 offer an excellent length in terms of story.. 30 or so hours compared to most other games' story being told in 5-8).



As a PC user, it's irrelevant to me of course... but for the Xbox players I'd be a little surprised if they went to 3 discs (wouldn't complain, but business sense wise it's a lot more expensive to print & ship with 3 discs... which you can thank Microsoft for... money grubbin buggers).

[Adhin]

Yeah that all mostly stems from how the Unreal Engine handles 'levels' for Consoles. You end up having a lot of duplicated content. It's setup that way to make levels load faster, they do it to stream the next level in while your watching the last levels cutscence. ME2 doesn't really seem to benefit from that at all though. Load times are horribly long, they didn't use any of the streaming tech almost.. never. And half the time you'd get levels that was just this outside circle and then your have to load all over again just to go inside to another small level.

Though they may of changed that a bit for ME2 considering how differently setup it is. Either way the 2 discs of ME2 hold a massive amount of copyed content (the ship for one thing). All the characters on-ship conversations are on both discs... It's mostly just the beginning and ending that take up new space on DISC1 and DISC2 has the other follower start missions and all of there loyalty quests. They even share a small bit of the same N7 missions.

I guess what im getting at is, if they had gone at ME2 with the idea of it being specifically 2 disks instead of 'figuring that out later on' they could of set it up more like DAO in its progression. Made the intro more linear lets say to take up a big chunk, or make the ending larger and more expansive that takes place on DISC2. They basically made best of there situation with ME2, and I hope they go into ME3 with the in-stone idea it will be 2 disks and plan it specifically for that this time. Doing so should have less copyed content and would make for a much longer game, and ME2 was already pretty solid in length.

[LPPrince]

Orion55 wrote...

3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

[Pacifien]

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...
3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

I was annoyed, because I tended to switch between different characters at different points of the game. I'd sit back to play one character only to discover I had the wrong disc and had to get up and switch it. My XBox 360 is, like, four feet away from my couch. That is so annoying.

Actually, since I do have the HD space for the game, I didn't understand why I had to switch discs at all. It's on the HD. Let the HD do what it's meant to do.

[Geeenie]

I have ME2 and it's a2 disc game and my Oblivion is 2 disc I also have Revnany from squre inke and it's 2disc so it would not beto surprising to see ME3 be a 3 disc game nor would it be imposible