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[LPPrince]

Pacifien wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...
3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

I was annoyed, because I tended to switch between different characters at different points of the game. I'd sit back to play one character only to discover I had the wrong disc and had to get up and switch it. My XBox 360 is, like, four feet away from my couch. That is so annoying.

Actually, since I do have the HD space for the game, I didn't understand why I had to switch discs at all. It's on the HD. Let the HD do what it's meant to do.

Yeah, I wish that installing the game on the HDD would get rid of the need for the disk switch.

I can agree with you on that. And hey, my 42 inch Flat Panel is 4-5 feet away from my game chair, lol.

Modifié par LPPrince, 12 décembre 2010 - 04:29 .

[AntiChri5]

My chair is so close to my nice big tv all i have to do is lean forward to change the disk.



Hell, they way i normally sit i can press the eject button with my toe.

I can even switch disks with my foot, so i don't even have to lean forward.

[Fredvdp]

Pacifien wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...
3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

I was annoyed, because I tended to switch between different characters at different points of the game. I'd sit back to play one character only to discover I had the wrong disc and had to get up and switch it. My XBox 360 is, like, four feet away from my couch. That is so annoying.

Actually, since I do have the HD space for the game, I didn't understand why I had to switch discs at all. It's on the HD. Let the HD do what it's meant to do.

Someone from BioWare once said that Microsoft doesn't allow it.

[Orion55]

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...

3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

Its not a lazyness factor. Its that is removes you from the gaming experince when playing, even more so then loading screens because you actually have to get off your butt and fiddle around the discs and the xbox. Then when there are multiple people playing the game who are all on different stages it just becomes even more annoying.

Actually Im torn as to which version of ME3 to get. I dont want to deal with disc swapping, but at the same time I want every little decision I made in ME1 to count.

Modifié par Orion55, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:17 .

[kalle90]

Pacifien wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...
3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

I was annoyed, because I tended to switch between different characters at different points of the game. I'd sit back to play one character only to discover I had the wrong disc and had to get up and switch it. My XBox 360 is, like, four feet away from my couch. That is so annoying.

Actually, since I do have the HD space for the game, I didn't understand why I had to switch discs at all. It's on the HD. Let the HD do what it's meant to do.

So what about compressing/recycling everything (I assume ME1 was compressed because it was the same length as ME2 yet on 1 disc) to make it all fit on 1 disc?

I'd want the 3rd disc because both games lack dialogue, different outcomes for different choices and such. Now we have 16 former teammates and I can't imagine they could have meaningful parts in ME3.

Like Bioware said this is the game in which our previous choices really lead to different outcomes. I find it hard to believe. They have to be really small scenes and even then the total length of the main story will suffer

[schneeland]

Fredvdp wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Orion55 wrote...
3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

I was annoyed, because I tended to switch between different characters at different points of the game. I'd sit back to play one character only to discover I had the wrong disc and had to get up and switch it. My XBox 360 is, like, four feet away from my couch. That is so annoying.

Actually, since I do have the HD space for the game, I didn't understand why I had to switch discs at all. It's on the HD. Let the HD do what it's meant to do.

Someone from BioWare once said that Microsoft doesn't allow it.

I assume it is some stupid copyright thing. I really don't understand why they have to make our gaming lives so painful, though - if we installed everything on the HDD, it should really be enough to just leave disc 1 in there.

[LPPrince]

To be honest, I'd prefer a system like this for the Xbox(for multiple disk games)-



You install however many disks onto the HDD, and then keep the first disk in the tray when you play. You must have the first disk in the tray in order to play said game.



This way, there's no disk swapping, you get the whole game, and Microsoft can rest easy knowing you can't sell the game and still play it off your HDD.

[Adhin]

@Kalle: ME1 was a shorter/smaller game then ME2, but not by much. Gameplay wise ME1 was about 20-25 hours, longer if you really just...I dunno walked on planets or something. ME2 was more consistently 40 hours so seemed almost double but, the actual content (like I said the DISC share a ton of content) it wasn't to much of a difference.

And if they go into ME3 with the very clear idea this time it will be 2 disks they should be able to plan for that kind of crazy plot splitting they couldn't do in ME2. ME2 had to all lead to the same place otherwise you'd have a ton of 'starting' points in ME3 to contend with.

A good example of what I mean is if DISC1, lets say contains the majority of the game play where your gathering all the armies and so on, and doing all your 'work up' to kick some giant-machine-bug ass then DISC2 is the 'end game' kind of thing where depending on all your choices, the sheer amount of variables could take up 1 DISC on there own? That would make sense. And the game could easily be as long, or a tad longer then ME2 that way. Would also probably mean the end stretch would be a bit longer then ME2's but I personally would like that. More so if there's less of a long-intro then what ME2 had. If it gets to open world 'faster' and each 'area' you recruit or have to work on is nice and expansive. Well I just think a 2 disk plan is there best bet either way and splitting it up like that's probably the most appealing option from a player/developer standpoint. Or at least I think so.

[pinskyyang]

Yeah not on PS3. Bluray ftw

[LPPrince]

My 10th playthrough of ME2 was 60 hours long.



I would prefer even more for ME3.

[Pacifien]

LPPrince wrote...
To be honest, I'd prefer a system like this for the Xbox(for multiple disk games)-

You install however many disks onto the HDD, and then keep the first disk in the tray when you play. You must have the first disk in the tray in order to play said game.

This way, there's no disk swapping, you get the whole game, and Microsoft can rest easy knowing you can't sell the game and still play it off your HDD.

Forza 3 is on multiple discs, but you only need the first disc in order to play the game.

But the way that the game works is that if you don't install everything on the HDD, you play a somewhat truncated game. You have to install the full game on the HDD to access all content. I don't think this philosophy will go over well if the ME developers attempted the same thing, though.

Still, why they didn't just require the first disc only is something I don't understand.

[Adhin]

Yeah there current OS just lets you install a full DVD. It can't tell the difference between if 2 disks belong to the same game and the developers would have to add something specifically 'for' that to support it. And the OS would have to support it as well before that can happen. I personally wish Microsoft would add that into an OS update, and developers could add in the recognition via a patch easily enough. I doubt that will happen anytime soon, definitely not by the time ME3 comes out.

And just to give yall an idea of what I meant about Unreal engine taking up more space then it needs just cause of how it handles level 'blocks' for quick loading. DAO was 'less' then 4 gigs. Think about that for a bit. Even if the PC was fully voiced that wouldn't double the number there. May add on 2 gigs though but still, that's a pretty big difference from a bit over 8gigs that ME1 and ME2 ended up being per disk. That copyed contents a **** on space.

[pinskyyang]

Blue Dragon has 3 disks on 360 - and FF13 has like what, 3 also?

[Adhin]

@Pacifien: I'm not much of a racer but if that was on 360, the extra disc(s) would be acting like off-line DLC. Basically the 1st disc in the game, and the other is just DLC you copy over to the HD. That would be why not loading it would give you a not-so-full game and its the only method to do something like that on the 360.

That may work in a racing game where its less story driven and mostly tracks and cars and customizing that kinda stuff but in ME3... well yeah, you need the full game in its entirety or you end up making people who don't have a HD, or have to small of one not able to play the full thing? or only be able to get halfway through.

If they where going to go that route, though I would say taking all the sub-quests and non-plot related content to be put into the 2nd disk that's loaded as if it was DLC onto the HD. That way the MAIN game is DISK1, and all the 'fun extras' (that often make up half the game) is loaded to HD via DISK2. That would be a fun method but I doubt Bioware or Microsoft would like it.

Modifié par Adhin, 12 décembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[LPPrince]

Pacifien wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
To be honest, I'd prefer a system like this for the Xbox(for multiple disk games)-

You install however many disks onto the HDD, and then keep the first disk in the tray when you play. You must have the first disk in the tray in order to play said game.

This way, there's no disk swapping, you get the whole game, and Microsoft can rest easy knowing you can't sell the game and still play it off your HDD.

Forza 3 is on multiple discs, but you only need the first disc in order to play the game.

But the way that the game works is that if you don't install everything on the HDD, you play a somewhat truncated game. You have to install the full game on the HDD to access all content. I don't think this philosophy will go over well if the ME developers attempted the same thing, though.

Still, why they didn't just require the first disc only is something I don't understand.

No clue. That's mainly a Microsoft thing. Hopefully as things progress, they won't be stuck with just DVD's.

[Adhin]

I'm still a bit baffled as to why Microsoft didn't just go with HD-DVD from the start. Having it as an extra add-on when it cost no more (or very little more) to have it part of the base console compared to how Bluray literally doubles costs. I just don't see why they made that choice. Seemed kinda lacking some forethought on there end. Someone slipped up if you ask me.

They are, however stuck to DVD's untill the day the new era of consoles gets released and that wont be for a few years.

[LPPrince]

Adhin wrote...

I'm still a bit baffled as to why Microsoft didn't just go with HD-DVD from the start. Having it as an extra add-on when it cost no more (or very little more) to have it part of the base console compared to how Bluray literally doubles costs. I just don't see why they made that choice. Seemed kinda lacking some forethought on there end. Someone slipped up if you ask me.
They are, however stuck to DVD's untill the day the new era of consoles gets released and that wont be for a few years.

Makes you wonder if HD-DVD's would've died had they made it part of the base console.

[Adhin]

Yeah makes me wonder too, I know one of the big pushing reasons for why Bluray made is as the primary new platform (and, while im not a fan of sony due to there bad pricing..) is besides being surperior to HD-DVD in the 'long term growth' is that they just had more actual 'units' out because of PS3. Gaming is definitly the quickest method now and days to get your chosen new storage device for movies since people look at it as a console and don't wait around for a few hundred 'movies' to make it onto the platform before buying.

From a 'gaming' standpoint however the 2 where close enough for it not to matter in the current console setup. HD-DVD could support up to 30gigs per 'side'. I mean if that's not enough for a good big game I dunno wtf is. Seriously a 8 gig is technically pretty solid the issue comes when you try to make it 'efficient' to load OFF the DVD directly where you run into a lot of the problems. And that it has to be compressed and you may get some degrade with that. PC evade that issue but when you 'install' it uncompressed it all to the HD.

Ahh... In a perfect little alternate world 360 would have HD-DVD and the overall adoption would of still been for Bluray. And Sony would of got there company model **** together years ago and actually payed attention to the markets so they stopped pricing crap twice what its worth. Sadly we're stuck with this one =P

Modifié par Adhin, 12 décembre 2010 - 05:18 .

[Vaenier]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

One disc for ME1, two for ME2, and three for ME3?
I like this keeping with the theme we've got going here.

This.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Now, now everyone keep this from being either a console war or console v pc war.

Sorry, but who are you?

Since you seem to have an issue with a fellow forumite trying to keep the thread on-topic and from being shut down, let me step in for a moment to say platform wars are not allowed on this forum.

But I'm not trying to instigate any platform wars?

It's fairly obvious that the high capacity of a blu-ray disc will mean that Mass Effect 3 will require only one of them, in contrast to however many DVDs it will require.

I am pretty sure what I just said is completely related to the thread, and my intentions were not to start a conflict about which platform is better.

Don't get me wrong, I nearly felt like mentioning that PS3 will have 1 disc myself when I had done my previous post beforehand.

The trouble is, despite what you think, people can interpret it completely different to how you say it and thus the 'war' begins and topics get shutdown.

I wasn't aiming my last post directly at you or anyone for that matter, just giving people the reminder to try and keep the topic on target rather than any potential war.

[Soahfreako]

NO DISCS. DISCS = LINEAR. DISCS = CUT DIALOGUE. That is all.

[atheelogos]

3 discs sounds good to me : )

[MassEffect762]

However many it takes.



Every disc should be packed with story content.

[uzivatel]

Pacifien wrote...

For those who do want ME3 on more discs, I wonder if they would be content to have the game designed around having multiple discs the way ME2 was. I believe ME2 was meant to have all the dossiers available from the beginning, but they developers had to accommodate the disc swap, and so the actual gameplay was split into two distinct sections.

I actually like the ME2 approach better - it does somewhat limit the freedom, but the progression of the story is IMO better. The game was already somewhat suffering from all the loyalty mission - making it somewhat linear helped a great deal.

LPPrince wrote...

How is it annoying? I ask because I find no problem in getting up to switch disks.

Pretty much, the game requires you to switch the disc twice (thrice if you wan to play after the final mission).
I do more disc swapping to play different games.

Modifié par uzivatel, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Tempus Frangit]

It should be more than 2 discs, and the game should take more than 100 hours to complete. Pwease?