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[Crimson-Cobalt]

John Carmack said a while back that Microsoft charges 7$ for every extra disk.So it not exactly impossible for Bioware to add a third disk.The question is will they be willing to cut their profit by 7 dollars per disk.Another point is that Microsoft might be a little pissed that ME2 is coming to the PS3,so its unlikely they will make any concessions.



P.S:I'm pretty sure that the PS3(the console I'll be playing on) and PC version will have no disk swapping so it doesn't really matter to me.

[uzivatel]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

John Carmack said a while back that Microsoft charges 7$ for every extra disk.So it not exactly impossible for Bioware to add a third disk.The question is will they be willing to cut their profit by 7 dollars per disk.Another point is that Microsoft might be a little pissed that ME2 is coming to the PS3,so its unlikely they will make any concessions.

P.S:I'm pretty sure that the PS3(the console I'll be playing on) and PC version will have no disk swapping so it doesn't really matter to me.

Link or it did not happen.
Really, not saying its not possible, but I have seen it few times and no-one ever provided any link or citation.

Modifié par uzivatel, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:33 .

[Kane-Corr]

I'd say three is a fair amount....sure it's just over the norm, but, it's not too overwhelming.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Final Fantasy XIII? Pft. No the game that was a real mans game was Lost Odyssey. That bad boy had 4 disks for the Xbox 360. Now that's a lot. Either way I don't mind if it's a good game.

[Crimson-Cobalt]

uzivatel wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

John Carmack said a while back that Microsoft charges 7$ for every extra disk.So it not exactly impossible for Bioware to add a third disk.The question is will they be willing to cut their profit by 7 dollars per disk.Another point is that Microsoft might be a little pissed that ME2 is coming to the PS3,so its unlikely they will make any concessions.

P.S:I'm pretty sure that the PS3(the console I'll be playing on) and PC version will have no disk swapping so it doesn't really matter to me.

Link or it did not happen.
Really, not saying its not possible, but I have seen it few times and no-one ever provided any link or citation.

"While spanning the game over multiple discs could solve the issue, id Software revealed that the associated royalties to Microsoft for more than two discs would become economically unfavourable."
http://www.tomsguide...,news-2254.html
The last paragraph.I know he doesn't give an exact figure but rumour is that it is between 5-7$ but still its a fact that MS charges for every disk and we also know it makes a game economically unfavourable.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:43 .

[Dougy Fresh]

whatever works!



more discs=more gameplay=more epicness

[Captain_Justin]

Dougy Fresh wrote...

whatever works!

more discs=more gameplay=more epicness

how about a DL DVD disc (20gb)+flashdrive (30gb) with 50gb (ultra-edition)?:Osince xbox 360 don't have ps3 blu-ray capacity (50gb), a DL DVD disc+flashdrive edition should make up for that (the flashdrive idea should be thought as a expansion pack/disc in flash media format...all are about same price+a flashdrive could fit within a disc packet).

DL DVD = 20gb  = .60 each (blank) ...
Flashdrive/xbox 360 cartridge = 30gb = $23 (blank/extra space+files)

59.99 per title (1 DVD 1 Flashdrive)... good idea?

Modifié par Captain_Justin, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:51 .

[uzivatel]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

"While spanning the game over multiple discs could solve the issue, id Software revealed that the associated royalties to Microsoft for more than two discs would become economically unfavourable."
http://www.tomsguide...,news-2254.html
The last paragraph.I know he doesn't give an exact figure but rumour is that it is between 5-7$ but still its a fact that MS charges for every disk and we also know it makes a game economically unfavourable.

I mean after that, because they clarified that one later.

"It was a simple kind of miscommunication. Microsoft does not charge a royalty per disc, but there is a cost of goods that goes along with manufacturing. "

http://www.shacknews...ticle.x?id=1001

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Final Fantasy XIII? Pft. No the game that was a real mans game was Lost Odyssey. That bad boy had 4 disks for the Xbox 360. Now that's a lot. Either way I don't mind if it's a good game.

That one was great. The Asia box looks like some Limited Edition.

Modifié par uzivatel, 12 décembre 2010 - 06:58 .

[Captain_Justin]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

John Carmack said a while back that Microsoft charges 7$ for every extra disk.So it not exactly impossible for Bioware to add a third disk.The question is will they be willing to cut their profit by 7 dollars per disk.Another point is that Microsoft might be a little pissed that ME2 is coming to the PS3,so its unlikely they will make any concessions.

P.S:I'm pretty sure that the PS3(the console I'll be playing on) and PC version will have no disk swapping so it doesn't really matter to me.

Link or it did not happen.
Really, not saying its not possible, but I have seen it few times and no-one ever provided any link or citation.

"While spanning the game over multiple discs could solve the issue, id Software revealed that the associated royalties to Microsoft for more than two discs would become economically unfavourable."
http://www.tomsguide...,news-2254.html
The last paragraph.I know he doesn't give an exact figure but rumour is that it is between 5-7$ but still its a fact that MS charges for every disk and we also know it makes a game economically unfavourable.

wow man, master tom is like hacking bioware servers unlawfully banning people with his awesomeness... whoa.

but instead of ($7)5 discs x 20GB each ($35 total)... they'd save more hypothetical money with a flashdrive (30gb) for $20, and not $35 worth of disc's

but wait, 100GB for $35 vs. 30GB for $20...nevermind, sounds like a awesome deal.

[Caffingdu]

I would like ME 3 to be on 2 discs, as ME 2 was. But I would like the option to have the ability to play using only disc 1 after I install both discs to the hard drive. Anything more than that isn't feasible for Bioware or EA. Costs too much to make, like a moderator said earlier in the forum Microsoft increases the rates with more discs, and many casual gamers won't be willing to spend more than 60 bucks on it. Not only will rates go up for Bioware, but it would of course cost more just to make a game that big.

[LogosDiablo]

Busomjack wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Bare in mind that Microsoft increases the rates the more discs you add for their XBox 360 games. So unless you think the casual gamer would like to pay $90 for Mass Effect 3, more discs is an unlikely scenario. Not to mention that ME2's plot was designed around there being two discs because BioWare cannot assume everyone can load it onto their 360 hard drives, so the more discs you add into the mix, the more you have to alter the plot to cover disc switching.

Really?  Wasn't Final Fantasy XIII a regular priced game despite being 3 discs?(Xbox360 version)

Lost Odyssey was also like this at four discs. It is possible that Pacifien is attempting a feint.

I think three discs will be necessary. ME2 has twice as many squad mates as ME1, with all the storage needs that come along with that (character models, voiced lines, etc.). ME3 will theoretically have even more, hopefully including ME1 squad mates (at least LIs). They will need the space for that.

It is also my opinion that ME3 needs to include systems from BOTH sides of the galaxy, rather than almost exclusively Council space or Terminus systems, which should up the storage requirements.

The Citadel also needs to be expanded. I want the Presidium back, as do most others, I think. I also want both games' Wards, plus more. 

Add to these extras the strongly diverging storylines based on plot decisions, and you've got a massive amount of content. 

This is what I want to see. Even more, if possible. But whatever comes, comes. I'll love the game however many discs it takes.

[LogosDiablo]

Orion55 wrote...

3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

Dude, seriously? Through the entire 30+ hour game you have to switch discs twice. That's a bit of an petty complaint.

[charmingcharlie]

LogosDiablo wrote...

Lost Odyssey was also like this at four discs. It is possible that Pacifien is attempting a feint.

It has already been explained why Lost Odyssey could be on 4 discs and not see a price increase.  The game was published by Microsoft, now they could hardly charge themselves for the costs could they

Three discs are probably necessary for ME 3 but you won't see it, the game will be kept to two discs to keep costs down.  Now the game could be on three discs if Bioware upped the price of the game but whilst there are many on here that would pay an increased price the vast majority of the game playing public find $60 is already a tough pill to swallow.

[Matchy Pointy]

LogosDiablo wrote...

Orion55 wrote...

3 discs? Are you all crazy? Disc swapping is so annoying. Its the one thing that makes me wish that Mass Effect was available on PS3 from the beginning.

Dude, seriously? Through the entire 30+ hour game you have to switch discs twice. That's a bit of an petty complaint.

Hell, I remember when one game was split between several floppys, switching disc ones or twice is nothing, BG had way more swappiong then that when it came out.

[Raven of the dark]

so we could have even more content on top of an already quite long and massively awesome game if the consoles versions weren't around?



thanks for clearing that up .



that makes it very comfortable to know that SWTOR is only coming out for the pc

[Pacifien]

LogosDiablo wrote...
Lost Odyssey was also like this at four discs. It is possible that Pacifien is attempting a feint.

I'm not. Developers have said in the past they have had problems developing for the XBox 360 because more discs costs more money. Click here to read an article about it.

If a game came with more discs, it would be because the developer had a special deal with Microsoft to offset the cost or they're taking a hit on the cost in the hopes that sales offset it. ME3 could very well come on more than 2 discs, could very well costs as much as ME2 did with its 2 discs, but BioWare will be depending on more sales to make it profitable.

And again, the game's plot will be tied to being on more discs, to account for disc swapping. Some people are fine with that, others are not. While I often tell people that BioWare would want to create a game that they themselves want to play, they are limited by the realities of game development. What you want isn't always what you can get.

I suppose I should add that while you could place the blame of ME's production on Microsoft, the company did help fund the initial game that started the franchise.

Modifié par Pacifien, 12 décembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[uzivatel]

Pacifien wrote...

I'm not. Developers have said in the past they have had problems developing for the XBox 360 because more discs costs more money. Click here to read an article about it.

If a game came with more discs, it would be because the developer had a special deal with Microsoft to offset the cost or they're taking a hit on the cost in the hopes that sales offset it. ME3 could very well come on more than 2 discs, could very well costs as much as ME2 did with its 2 discs, but BioWare will be depending on more sales to make it profitable.

And again, the game's plot will be tied to being on more discs, to account for disc swapping. Some people are fine with that, others are not. While I often tell people that BioWare would want to create a game that they themselves want to play, they are limited by the realities of game development. What you want isn't always what you can get.

I suppose I should add that while you could place the blame of ME's production on Microsoft, the company did help fund the initial game that started the franchise.

Too bad there are many factual errors in the link you provided.

Anyway, I already posted it few earlier in this topic:

http://www.shacknews...ticle.x?id=1001

[fmsantos39]

I dont really care how many discs will be, I just dont want they lower the game quality cause of discs space. I think if there are 2 single player disc and 1 for multiplayer (if it's really comming) it will be just fine for me

[schneeland]

And as we don't want multiplayer, they can save the third disc

[Jamer21]

I always install my xbox games on my harddrive so it doesn't make any sense for me to have to get up and swap the disks, The only reason that I have to swap is because of piracy to check that the game is genuine. Why cant they just let us keep the first disk in while we play the second one off the harddrive that would at least tell them that I have one disk. Please work on this bioware EA microsoft.

[Chuvvy]

Pacifien wrote...

Bare in mind that Microsoft increases the rates the more discs you add for their XBox 360 games. So unless you think the casual gamer would like to pay $90 for Mass Effect 3, more discs is an unlikely scenario. Not to mention that ME2's plot was designed around there being two discs because BioWare cannot assume everyone can load it onto their 360 hard drives, so the more discs you add into the mix, the more you have to alter the plot to cover disc switching.

You think they'd raise the price $30 for something that takes ten cents to ma- actually no that sounds about right.

[clennon8]

I can't help but feel that this game has to be done on 3 discs, or it will be very disappointing in some way. And if BioWare needs to charge another $10 for the game, so be it.

[unclee]

Caffingdu wrote...

I would like ME 3 to be on 2 discs, as ME 2 was. But I would like the option to have the ability to play using only disc 1 after I install both discs to the hard drive. Anything more than that isn't feasible for Bioware or EA. Costs too much to make, like a moderator said earlier in the forum Microsoft increases the rates with more discs, and many casual gamers won't be willing to spend more than 60 bucks on it. Not only will rates go up for Bioware, but it would of course cost more just to make a game that big.

Everyone has been calling for this for so long but MS still doesn't allow for that option. While yes, swapping disc only twice in ME2 wasn't at all bad, it would be nice to just be able to install both to the hard drive and only play with disc 1.

[axl99]

I would like a longer game, definitely.

[clennon8]

axl99 wrote...

I would like a longer game, definitely.

It's not so much about making the game longer as it is about making sure that beloved characters (especially those who can possibly die in ME2) don't get downgraded to cameo appearances in ME3 because of a lack of disk space.