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[hecksard]

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things? It's puzzling.  A week into the attack, and despite all Shepard's efforts over the last years, still there's no general understanding of what this threat actually is, not even that they're called the Reapers?  What might this mean for the ME3 plot line?

[Vendrin]

The council is realizing it might have been a mistake to completely cover up that it was sovereign not the geth behind the citadel attack.

[282xvl]

"Earth." We have dismissed that claim.



In other news, let us discuss the useful implications of mass relay lockout technology as adapted from the Omega-4 research project...

[onelifecrisis]

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things? It's puzzling.  A week into the attack, and despite all Shepard's efforts over the last years, still there's no general understanding of what this threat actually is, not even that they're called the Reapers?  What might this mean for the ME3 plot line?

It's just more bad writing. My advice: sit back and enjoy the explosions.

[Weskerr]

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I just want to see what our Turian Councilor has to say about this.

[Dean_the_Young]

'Council species are expected to be able to handle their own problems,' mixed with 'of course we're too busy handling our own.'

[onelifecrisis]

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

[Guanxii]

282xvl wrote...

"Earth." We have dismissed that claim.

In other news, let us discuss the useful implications of mass relay lockout technology as adapted from the Omega-4 research project...

Ha. That would be so funny if he was quoted in an interview on the radio about reports of an alien invasion of the human homeworld. Councillor: "Earth? We have dismissed that claim, we do not get involved in human affairs." Reporter: Thank you, councillor... In other news Elkos Combine have announced...".

[Dean_the_Young]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

How would a camera-phone prove that Sovereign is anything but a big ship, which has never been in question?

[Alienmorph]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I just want to see what our Turian Councilor has to say about this.

I'd like to meet him face-to-face. So he'll can meet Shep's punches too.

[Weskerr]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

The Council publicly claimed that Sovereign was a Geth ship. No one, except Shepard and crew, had ever knowingly seen a Reaper before the attack on the Citadel or even heard of them, so it doesn't matter if pictures were taken of Sovereign. There would be nothing to compare the pictures to.

Modifié par Weskerr, 12 décembre 2010 - 01:23 .

[onelifecrisis]

Weskerr wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

The Council publicly claimed that Sovereign was a Geth ship.

In which case the guy in the trailer would be saying "it's the Geth".

[onelifecrisis]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

How would a camera-phone prove that Sovereign is anything but a big ship, which has never been in question?

It's not just a big ship, it's the big ship that attacked the Citadel. Whether the Council said it's the Geth or whatever, the point is that everyone in the Galaxy has seen this ship before. Hell, they sell models of it on the Citadel!

[Dean_the_Young]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

How would a camera-phone prove that Sovereign is anything but a big ship, which has never been in question?

It's not just a big ship, it's the big ship that attacked the Citadel. Whether the Council said it's the Geth or whatever, the point is that everyone in the Galaxy has seen this ship before. Hell, they sell models of it on the Citadel!

And that answers the questions... how?

It can quickly become apparent that these aren't Geth, so the question of what they are remains unanswered.

If they aren't Geth, where they come from is also never public or widely known.

What they want is something even Shepard doesn't know.


All Sovereign's attack on the Citadel answers is 'they were here before,' not 'who are they/what do they want/where did they come from?'

[Phaedon]

onelifecrisis wrote...
In which case the guy in the trailer would be saying "it's the Geth".

But he noticed that it's not the geth. Hence the 'Wtf is this'

[Weskerr]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things?

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Riiight. So not one person on the Citadel had a camera-phone handy when Sovereign attacked.

How would a camera-phone prove that Sovereign is anything but a big ship, which has never been in question?

It's not just a big ship, it's the big ship that attacked the Citadel. Whether the Council said it's the Geth or whatever, the point is that everyone in the Galaxy has seen this ship before. Hell, they sell models of it on the Citadel!

It is strange that "Big Ben" has no idea at all of what these things are. Why he doesn't think it's the Geth is a good question, but what's certain is that he doesn't think they're Reapers.

Modifié par Weskerr, 12 décembre 2010 - 01:33 .

[onelifecrisis]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It can quickly become apparent that these aren't Geth, so the question of what they are remains unanswered.

And how exactly would that become apparent?

Dean_the_Young wrote...

'who are they'

Geth.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

'where they came from'

Geth space, presumably.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

'what they want'

Admittedly, this would be unknown.

[hecksard]

Weskerr wrote...

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Sure, but we can at least assume there's been a general mobilization on Earth, and Ben does mention communication with other cities and obviously has knowledge of Shepard, so how come he doesn't have even basic intelligence about the nature of the enemy?

It's peculiar that Bioware would present the game at this stage as Earth threatened by unknown squiddies from the void catching everyone unawares.  I mean, he could have said something along the lines of "Damn, he was right. We should have listened to Shepard. And now here they are: the Reapers."

Modifié par hecksard, 12 décembre 2010 - 01:37 .

[Dean_the_Young]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It can quickly become apparent that these aren't Geth, so the question of what they are remains unanswered.

And how exactly would that become apparent?

A distinct lack of conventional geth ships, geth platforms, and otherwise known/pre-incountered Geth technology levels would be a sign.

[onelifecrisis]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It can quickly become apparent that these aren't Geth, so the question of what they are remains unanswered.

And how exactly would that become apparent?

A distinct lack of conventional geth ships, geth platforms, and otherwise known/pre-incountered Geth technology levels would be a sign.

Sovereign *is* a Geth ship according to the council. The sky above Earth is *full* of Geth ships.

I'd be surprised if they weren't using Husks as ground troops. That's more "geth technology" according to the council.

So I ask you again, exactly when does it become apparent that these are not Geth?

[Weskerr]

hecksard wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Sure, but we can at least assume there's been a general mobilization on Earth, and Ben does mention communication with other cities and obviously has knowledge of Shepard, so how come he doesn't have even basic intelligence about the nature of the enemy?

It's peculiar that Bioware would present the game at this stage as Earth threatened by unknown squiddies from the void catching everyone unawares.  I mean, he could have said something along the lines of "Damn, he was right. We should have listened to Shepard. And now here they are: the Reapers."

I think Oneelifecrisis makes a good point. "Big Ben" should think to himself that this invasion force of ships is Geth, since the Council claimed that Sovereign was a Geth ship. However, I don't think anyone, besides Shepard, his crew, the Council, (and possibly the Quarians), knows anything about the Reapers or has ever even heard of them. That's why I think the Council did an excellent job at covering the truth up.

[Dean_the_Young]

hecksard wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

The Council did an excellent job of covering it up.

Sure, but we can at least assume there's been a general mobilization on Earth, and Ben does mention communication with other cities and obviously has knowledge of Shepard, so how come he doesn't have even basic intelligence about the nature of the enemy?

It's peculiar that Bioware would present the game at this stage as Earth threatened by unknown squiddies from the void catching everyone unawares.  I mean, he could have said something along the lines of "Damn, he was right. We should have listened to Shepard. And now here they are: the Reapers."

Teaser trailer dramatic effect.

Look back at the past trailers for the previous games: how accurate a portrayal of the game and the in-game context were they? 

[Dean_the_Young]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It can quickly become apparent that these aren't Geth, so the question of what they are remains unanswered.

And how exactly would that become apparent?

A distinct lack of conventional geth ships, geth platforms, and otherwise known/pre-incountered Geth technology levels would be a sign.

Sovereign *is* a Geth ship according to the council. The sky above Earth is *full* of Geth ships.

It's also lacking any other kind of Geth ship, and over time will quickly become undeniable that these ships far surpass as a matter of course, not as a matter of exception, what the Geth demonstrated.

I'd be surprised if they weren't using Husks as ground troops. That's more "geth technology" according to the council.

They also aren't using Geth as ground troops. That's a major disrepency with past Geth actions.

So I ask you again, exactly when does it become apparent that these are not Geth?

The increasing disrepency between the past Geth actions and these. The presence of an impossible amount of 'geth dreadnaughts' without other geth ships or even geth that far surpass what geth were demonstratably capable of can quickly expose the error of the previous assumption.