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[wulf3n]

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things? It's puzzling.  A week into the attack, and despite all Shepard's efforts over the last years, still there's no general understanding of what this threat actually is, not even that they're called the Reapers?  What might this mean for the ME3 plot line?

Also...

If he doesn't know what they are, how does he know shepards the only one who can stop them? ... how does he even know shepards alive?

[Terraneaux]

Malanek999 wrote...


The illusive man has the power and the inclination to do what he can about them.

I should have said 'anyone with the power to make Shep appear something other than a crazy terrorist to the public.'

The fact that Shepard has to skulk around the galaxy in ME2 is ridiculous.  Not even 'we can't acknowledge it publicly because people will panic, but we'll support you because the galaxy is at stake' from the council, it's ridiculous.  Their opinion about the existence of the Reapers was retconned, and poorly, for the sake of sticking to the standard video game formula of 'only you know about the impending doom!' with a side helping of 'do the bidding of this obviously evil patron figure who you can't betray.'

[Lord Nicholai]

I think some of you haven't realised that the trailer was written by a marketing team not the Bioware lead writers.

[onelifecrisis]

Alocormin wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...


Could have fooled me.

Ooo.  Was it the part where I strongly said, "I resent your tone, but I won't be an ****?"

The little bit after that was... belittling.  Personal attack?  Not really, though I sincerely apologize if it bothered you that much.  It didn't seem out of line with what was going on already.

(Please, please don't take that as an invitation to take further offense.  Really not necessary at this point)

Please, don't flatter yourself. If you really aren't interested in personal attacks then why not try responding to the parts of my post that you did not consider as such.

[Weskerr]

Lord Nicholai wrote...

I think some of you haven't realised that the trailer was written by a marketing team not the Bioware lead writers.

If this is true then I feel like a fool.

Edit: So even if this was written by the marketing team, wouldn't they have to coordinate with Bioware writers to make sure that what they present in the trailer is not completely unrelated and nonesensical to the plot/story of the game?

Modifié par Weskerr, 12 décembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Malanek]

Terraneaux wrote...
I should have said 'anyone with the power to make Shep appear something other than a crazy terrorist to the public.'

The fact that Shepard has to skulk around the galaxy in ME2 is ridiculous.  Not even 'we can't acknowledge it publicly because people will panic, but we'll support you because the galaxy is at stake' from the council, it's ridiculous.  Their opinion about the existence of the Reapers was retconned, and poorly, for the sake of sticking to the standard video game formula of 'only you know about the impending doom!' with a side helping of 'do the bidding of this obviously evil patron figure who you can't betray.'

I'm struggling to see why you are so vehemently opposed to this. I find it plausible because, as I said, disbelief of an extinction level event, which you are powerless to prevent, is easy. The story and feeling in ME2 was much better for it, it allowed the writers to show the world/galaxy as it would be without the reapers allowing for a bigger contrast once they are here. If the entire galaxy did start preparing for the reapers and they didn't eventuate, it would be a massive waste of economic resources.

And Shepard hardly had to skulk around, the council was willing to give him back spectre status and he never had trouble docking at any port. It was almost as if the council didn't want to believe but were covering their bases just in case.

[skcih-deraj]

Well lets see in order for the reapers to get to Earth they'd need to get passed Arcturus station and Jump zero. So the Alliance retreating and massing up to launch a counter offensive to take back earth and not being there for a week is believable.



The trailer says that the same things is happening to cities all over earth so what I'm wondering is who are so many Reapers out of dark space. I can only assume the Citatdel was attacked as well but I can't rightfully say.

[Malanek]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Well lets see in order for the reapers to get to Earth they'd need to get passed Arcturus station and Jump zero. So the Alliance retreating and massing up to launch a counter offensive to take back earth and not being there for a week is believable.

The trailer says that the same things is happening to cities all over earth so what I'm wondering is who are so many Reapers out of dark space. I can only assume the Citatdel was attacked as well but I can't rightfully say.

I'm not convinced they travelled via the relays.

[Weskerr]

skcih-deraj wrote...

Well lets see in order for the reapers to get to Earth they'd need to get passed Arcturus station and Jump zero. So the Alliance retreating and massing up to launch a counter offensive to take back earth and not being there for a week is believable.

The trailer says that the same things is happening to cities all over earth so what I'm wondering is who are so many Reapers out of dark space. I can only assume the Citatdel was attacked as well but I can't rightfully say.

This doesn't explain why "Big Ben" is totally shocked about their attack. Wouldn't the Alliance Fleet have communicated with the forces on Earth that a fleet of massive star ships was heading their way?

[onelifecrisis]

There's no reason why the Reapers couldn't have dropped down on Earth right out of dark space. After all, the galaxy is a disc. They could come down on it from above.



When Sovereign attacked Eden Prime he caused an almost instant block on all comms.

[Terraneaux]

Malanek999 wrote...

I'm struggling to see why you are so vehemently opposed to this. I find it plausible because, as I said, disbelief of an extinction level event, which you are powerless to prevent, is easy.

Why do TIM and the Quarians go for it, and why does the Council change their mind on the issue?

The story and feeling in ME2 was much better for it, it allowed the writers to show the world/galaxy as it would be without the reapers allowing for a bigger contrast once they are here. If the entire galaxy did start preparing for the reapers and they didn't eventuate, it would be a massive waste of economic resources.

But if no one prepares for the Reapers and they *do* show up, galactic civilization ends.  And no, the story of ME2 wasn't better for it, it was a clumsy retcon that totally broke immersion for the sake of preserving the status quo galaxy to run around in.  

And Shepard hardly had to skulk around, the council was willing to give him back spectre status and he never had trouble docking at any port. It was almost as if the council didn't want to believe but were covering their bases just in case.

The council gives Shep spectre status and then tells him he can only operate in the Terminus... which is basically like exiling him, as the Terminus is not under Council control.  It's almost as if the council explicitly states they believe at the end of the first game and then mysteriously change their mind to make it convenient for your only option for support to be Cerberus.

[skcih-deraj]

Weskerr wrote...

skcih-deraj wrote...

Well lets see in order for the reapers to get to Earth they'd need to get passed Arcturus station and Jump zero. So the Alliance retreating and massing up to launch a counter offensive to take back earth and not being there for a week is believable.

The trailer says that the same things is happening to cities all over earth so what I'm wondering is who are so many Reapers out of dark space. I can only assume the Citatdel was attacked as well but I can't rightfully say.

This doesn't explain why "Big Ben" is totally shocked about their attack. Wouldn't the Alliance Fleet have communicated with the forces on Earth that a fleet of massive star ships was heading their way?

I'd think so but weird things happen when you've got giant ships plowing through the Charon relay and the only option would be to run. (It could have slipped their minds easily.)  Or more likely Gagarin station was either destroyed or heavily damaged so communications would be cut off.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The title of the thread reminds me of Sins of a solar empire. Don't know if that was done on purpose.

[Thalorin1919]

You know, I loved the trailer and all.



But sometimes, I wish Bioware would just simpl say, "We are making Mass Effect 3 - due out next year."



Cause when they put out a trailer, people over-analyze things, say the game is going to suck, nitpick at things that don't make sense but do make sense when you don't overthink it.



Christ.

[ArcanistLibram]

wulf3n wrote...

If he doesn't know what they are, how does he know shepards the only one who can stop them? ... how does he even know shepards alive?

Shepard is just that badass. Plan A for any global military emergency is to just wait for Shepard to drop by Earth with a couple of friends.

[onelifecrisis]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Plan A for any global military emergency is to just wait for Shepard to drop by Earth with a couple of friends.

I lol'd.

[MatronAdena]

It was a great trailer, showed a loose plot point, Reapers are here, earth is targeted.



Thats all anyone SHOULD take from it....It's a first release TEASER, done up as epically cinematic as possible to get the market all excited.



The commercials are written as just that, hyperstylalized and over dramatic for a reason.



They did the same for ME2, and DA....Epic trailers that actually played no real point into the game in any way other than a " concept of whats going on"

[CaptainZaysh]

Remember the trailer is also intended to attract new players to the franchise.*



With that in mind it's actually very cleverly written. If you were looking at it cold and the guy had explained a lot of back story using unfamiliar terms (like geth, and reapers), it would make you think - WTF. As it is, the story presented in the trailer is accessible to everybody which is good writing.



* (This is a good thing, since if EA/Bioware think ME3 will make them even more money than ME2, they will put more resources into making it awesome.)

[hecksard]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

As it is, the story presented in the trailer is accessible to everybody which is good writing.

I'm not really sure that I follow this. It's one thing to write a trailer from the perspective of a gamer who, despite knowing nothing at all about the first two games in the trilogy, might want to preorder this one and join the party.  It's quite another to write it from the point of view of a character who appears to know as little as that potential new gamer when all logic dictates that this character in that situation should know something, anything about the enemy he's been fighting for 1 week at least.

But wait, he does know something: that the fate of the earth depends on Shepard. Who's this "Shepard", the new gamer cries? Are there sheep in the game? Sorry, you'll have to google that.  And who's that badass dude at the end, and what does "N7" mean? Wait and see, or play the first two games already.  Didn't you know it's a trilogy?  So really, even in this one minute, there's quite a bit hinted that the new gamer will be in the dark about.

What's dodgy is that Big Ben should still be completely in the dark about the enemy when he's savvy enough to know that Shepard is the key to earth's salvation. How could he have that tidbit of information, be sufficiently connected to the command structure or otherwise hooked in to know this fact at all - and believe it - but without even having an inkling of what the enemy is?  It just makes no sense.  Or if it does make sense within the logic of the upcoming game, I'm not sure that bodes well at all.

Modifié par hecksard, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:04 .

[Knoll Argonar]

Terraneaux wrote...

The council gives Shep spectre status and then tells him he can only operate in the Terminus... which is basically like exiling him, as the Terminus is not under Council control.  It's almost as if the council explicitly states they believe at the end of the first game and then mysteriously change their mind to make it convenient for your only option for support to be Cerberus.

That's false, Council returned you the Spectre status and told you that while you were with Cerberus and the Collector mission you should stay on the Terminus Systems, because they cannot be involved in that. So once you said to the Council "yo, i finished the job" they would again let you be a fully active Spectre.
And people can change their mind about anything of course, including what Saren said and what was true for them.

[Cyberfrog81]

I also had questions after watching the trailer, but at the end of the day I don't even care. It may not be perfect, but it is pretty darn good.


Frankly, I'm not sure I can stomach this forum and its  "complain about every little thing" crowd for another year.

[The Unfallen]

If he saw the Husk, he'd probably be 'WTF' as well. At that point he'd think "Well, these don't seem like Geth"

[Ship.wreck_]

hecksard wrote...

Why doesn't Big Benjamin know these things? It's puzzling.  A week into the attack, and despite all Shepard's efforts over the last years, still there's no general understanding of what this threat actually is, not even that they're called the Reapers?  What might this mean for the ME3 plot line?

Shepard didn't exactly go on an awareness campaign. He reported to the Citadel and they said... screw you.

Plus keep in mind everything WE know about the situation was discovered for the first time ever by Shepard and his crew on that Ship.

[TuringPoint]

NVM.

Modifié par Alocormin, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .