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[Gabey5]

it was covered up. only a handful a people knew the truth

[TuringPoint]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Shepard is just that badass. Plan A for any global military emergency is to just wait for Shepard to drop by Earth with a couple of friends.

Truth.

[Ship.wreck_]

Gabey5 wrote...

it was covered up. only a handful a people knew the truth

I wouldn't call it quite a cover up. A cover up would be if someone was trying to tell all the people and the Council was actively preventing that info from getting out. Shepard reported to the Council, they didn't believe him. But he didn't take any action to try to tell others let alone everyone.

People are just forgeting that not everyone in the ME universe know everything that we know by default. Only Shepard and his squad know what we know. In fact Shepard's old squad doesn't know everything that ended up happening in ME2 and Shepards new squad doesn't know everything that happened in ME1 so really ONLY Shepard knows everything we do.

[Slayer299]

Ship.wreck wrote...
I wouldn't call it quite a cover up. A cover up would be if someone was trying to tell all the people and the Council was actively preventing that info from getting out. Shepard reported to the Council, they didn't believe him. But he didn't take any action to try to tell others let alone everyone.

People are just forgeting that not everyone in the ME universe know everything that we know by default. Only Shepard and his squad know what we know. In fact Shepard's old squad doesn't know everything that ended up happening in ME2 and Shepards new squad doesn't know everything that happened in ME1 so really ONLY Shepard knows everything we do.

But it was covered up! What about Chorban ringing bells left and righta bout the Keepers and the event that was supposed to be happening, but no-one (Assuming the Council or Council gov't) are burying it. Or the council's backslide with the Reapers to just Geth?

My big question is why does the Sniper know who Shepard is and is waitintg for him to arrive, but  doesn't know anything else? Why would a Sniper even *know* who Shepard is? It's not like being an N7 is the same as an Alliance admiral or something. And if he knows who Shep is why not their attackers? None of that makes diddly for any sense.

[DaBigDragon]

The Council and the Alliance did an excellent job of covering up the whole Reaper thing. That's why noone knows what they are.

[Ship.wreck_]

Slayer299 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...
I wouldn't call it quite a cover up. A cover up would be if someone was trying to tell all the people and the Council was actively preventing that info from getting out. Shepard reported to the Council, they didn't believe him. But he didn't take any action to try to tell others let alone everyone.

People are just forgeting that not everyone in the ME universe know everything that we know by default. Only Shepard and his squad know what we know. In fact Shepard's old squad doesn't know everything that ended up happening in ME2 and Shepards new squad doesn't know everything that happened in ME1 so really ONLY Shepard knows everything we do.

But it was covered up! What about Chorban ringing bells left and righta bout the Keepers and the event that was supposed to be happening, but no-one (Assuming the Council or Council gov't) are burying it. Or the council's backslide with the Reapers to just Geth?

My big question is why does the Sniper know who Shepard is and is waitintg for him to arrive, but  doesn't know anything else? Why would a Sniper even *know* who Shepard is? It's not like being an N7 is the same as an Alliance admiral or something. And if he knows who Shep is why not their attackers? None of that makes diddly for any sense.

What's the Chorban? Look it's never been common knowledge that the Reapers exist. Maybe a little mythology but know knowledge. And the council didn't actively prevent anyone from talking about them. The council just didn't believe Shepard that Soveriegn was a Reaper so they just reported it to the poeple as Saren's Ship. That's not a cover up.

As for "Big Ben" knowing who Shepard is: Everyone know's who Shepard is. Everyone knows that Shepard saved the Citadel from Saren (if not Soveriegn). He's the most well know and impressive human hero in the Galaxy, so of course people would expect him to lead the saving of Earth, including "Big Ben". But nobody knows about the Reapers except Shepard / his squad. It makes perfect sense that Big Ben knows/expects Shepard, but doesn't know Reapers.

Everyone knows Shepard. No one know Reapers.

[Ship.wreck_]

Like I said it's not like Shepard tried to go on a Reaper Awareness tour and the Council stopped him. He was too busy stoping the Reapers to spread the word about them.

[magelet]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Like I said it's not like Shepard tried to go on a Reaper Awareness tour and the Council stopped him. He was too busy stoping the Reapers to spread the word about them.

Pretty much. Aside from like one conversation in ME2 (and maybe not even that depending on what you did) Shepard doesn't really put that much effort into trying to get people to believe in the Reapers. S/he is basically just like "Whatever, you won't help me, I'll solve the problem myself!"

[Slayer299]

Ship.wreck wrote...

What's the Chorban? Look it's never been common knowledge that the Reapers exist. Maybe a little mythology but know knowledge. And the council didn't actively prevent anyone from talking about them. The council just didn't believe Shepard that Soveriegn was a Reaper so they just reported it to the poeple as Saren's Ship. That's not a cover up.

As for "Big Ben" knowing who Shepard is: Everyone know's who Shepard is. Everyone knows that Shepard saved the Citadel from Saren (if not Soveriegn). He's the most well know and impressive human hero in the Galaxy, so of course people would expect him to lead the saving of Earth, including "Big Ben". But nobody knows about the Reapers except Shepard / his squad. It makes perfect sense that Big Ben knows/expects Shepard, but doesn't know Reapers.

Everyone knows Shepard. No one know Reapers.

1. Chorban was a Salarian from ME1 who had you scanning the Keepers and in ME2 he emails you (if you finished the quest) that he's been trying to tell people (Council) about his findings on the Keepers.

2. Yes, the Council *did* believe you at the end of ME1 when you save their worthless butts. They tell you to your face that they believe you about the Reapers. So ME2 was a complete backslide.

3. No, why would Ben be expecing help from an mere N7 (no matter how *famous* he is) as opposed to SA Admiral/General or even anyone else?

4. Yeah, the Alliance brass know about the Reapers. ie - Kasumi and the Greybox from her Loyalty mission was pretty clear about that.

[xxMr Anarchyxx]

Yeah I don't know why people keep asking how "Big Ben"" knows about Shepard. If you played ME1 and 2 then you know he is the first human Specter and after the interview by aliza al-gilani or however her name spells everyone on earth knows who he is.

[Ship.wreck_]

Slayer299 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

What's the Chorban? Look it's never been common knowledge that the Reapers exist. Maybe a little mythology but know knowledge. And the council didn't actively prevent anyone from talking about them. The council just didn't believe Shepard that Soveriegn was a Reaper so they just reported it to the poeple as Saren's Ship. That's not a cover up.

As for "Big Ben" knowing who Shepard is: Everyone know's who Shepard is. Everyone knows that Shepard saved the Citadel from Saren (if not Soveriegn). He's the most well know and impressive human hero in the Galaxy, so of course people would expect him to lead the saving of Earth, including "Big Ben". But nobody knows about the Reapers except Shepard / his squad. It makes perfect sense that Big Ben knows/expects Shepard, but doesn't know Reapers.

Everyone knows Shepard. No one know Reapers.

1. Chorban was a Salarian from ME1 who had you scanning the Keepers and in ME2 he emails you (if you finished the quest) that he's been trying to tell people (Council) about his findings on the Keepers.

2. Yes, the Council *did* believe you at the end of ME1 when you save their worthless butts. They tell you to your face that they believe you about the Reapers. So ME2 was a complete backslide.

3. No, why would Ben be expecing help from an mere N7 (no matter how *famous* he is) as opposed to SA Admiral/General or even anyone else?

4. Yeah, the Alliance brass know about the Reapers. ie - Kasumi and the Greybox from her Loyalty mission was pretty clear about that.

Oh that guy. He's one dude who ran a lab on the Citadel, he's not exactly someone the Council would pay attention to. Hell you're one of the Council's Specters and they don't listen to YOU about the reapers. Not exactly a movement they're supressing, just one more guy they're not listening to.

I don't recall that part, I'm pretty sure they refused to accept the reality of the Reapers all the way through. They were evacuated from the Citadel before Sovereign landed on it. They never got to hear him. To the council it just looked like Saren was landing his ship on their Citadel and bringing a bunch of Geth with him. No backslide just bullheadedness and mistrust of one of their own Specters. Which is stupid but by no means a conspiracy. Trust me they're not TRYING to get eaten by Reapers here.

Dude Shepard SAVED THE CITADEL and everyone knows it. It wasn't some admiral who did the saving there. It was Shepard who led that effort. He's an N7/Specter who led the battle for the Citadel and won. Who else would you expect to save Earth besides the human that you know already saved the Citadel???

I don't buy the DLC, and I don't know how reasonable it is to consider every DLC side mission reliable to effect the main plot of any of the installments. Hell each individual game has alot of contradictions, throw in all the DLC and the story might become a plot trainwreck from any angle you look at it...

[Ship.wreck_]

magelet wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Like I said it's not like Shepard tried to go on a Reaper Awareness tour and the Council stopped him. He was too busy stoping the Reapers to spread the word about them.

Pretty much. Aside from like one conversation in ME2 (and maybe not even that depending on what you did) Shepard doesn't really put that much effort into trying to get people to believe in the Reapers. S/he is basically just like "Whatever, you won't help me, I'll solve the problem myself!"

Exactly, it should be no suprise at all the Reapers are not common knowledge.

It seems like this thread started out as, "Why doesn't Big Ben know what the Reapers are? Because everyone in the ME universe should know everything that I know."

And it's ending up as, "Why does Big Ben know about Shepard? Because no one in the ME universe should know anything that I know."

Both wrong people. Everyone in the ME universe know's that Shepard saved the citadel and is the go to hero. Go to human hero anyways. And who else would you go to if your concern is Earth than the go to human hero? Meanwhile only Shepard and his squad ever knew about the Reapers, the Council didn't believe them and they don't report to the Alliance.

So, once again everyone knows Shepard, no one knows Reapers. The trailer made perfect sense. Nobody covered up reapers and the US gov didn't perpetrate 9/11 or fake the moon landing, get over it.

[Ship.wreck_]

In fact what always bothered me about ME1 during ME1 was the high profile of Shepard the Specter.



In the begining everybody's freaking out about the Specters because they're so hardcore and so secretive and several times it's stated explicitly that the Specters are so secretive and so protected by the Council the everything they do and everywhere they go is classified!



And yet once you become a Specter everyone seems to know more or less what you're doing / where you're going / where you've been. Even people you run into on the streets. And even the lamest two bit thug you have to take down is just like, "Kill the Specter!" Like it's no big deal, WTF???? Whatever happened to the galactically feared super bad assed super secretive specter? As soon as you become all of a sudden Specters are just another guy?

[Slayer299]

Ship.wreck wrote...

I don't recall that part, I'm pretty sure they refused to accept the reality of the Reapers all the way through. They were evacuated from the Citadel before Sovereign landed on it. They never got to hear him. To the council it just looked like Saren was landing his ship on their Citadel and bringing a bunch of Geth with him. No backslide just bullheadedness and mistrust of one of their own Specters. Which is stupid but by no means a conspiracy. Trust me they're not TRYING to get eaten by Reapers here.

I gotta disagree with you on that one. Because if they're not *trying* to get killed by the Rapers than they're doing a damn good, unintentional job with it. But yes, the Council does backslide from "yes, you saved us from the Reapers" to "Ahh Reapers, we have dismissed that claim."

Dude Shepard SAVED THE CITADEL and everyone knows it. It wasn't some admiral who did the saving there. It was Shepard who led that effort. He's an N7/Specter who led the battle for the Citadel and won. [b]Who else would you expect to save Earth besides the human that you know already saved the Citadel???

Yay! Shep saved the Citadel. But unless he's got a big-a** fleet behind him I don't think it'd be that much of a big deal to Ben. Not when you have Reapers all over the bloody planet to begin with! I know I don't want some 'hero' if he's not got the forces to do the job and one man isn't gonna be it.

Modifié par Slayer299, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:14 .

[Ship.wreck_]

Slayer299 wrote...
I gotta disagree with you on that one. Because if they're not *trying* to get killed by the Rapers than they're doing a damn good, unintentional job with it. But yes, the Council does backslide from "yes, you saved us from the Reapers" to "Ahh Reapers, we have dismissed that claim."

Can anyone verify that because I don't recall it, and am not going to play ME all over again for the answer haha

Yay! Shep saved the Citadel. But unless he's got a big-a** fleet behind him I don't think it'd be that much of a big deal to Ben. Not when you have Reapers all over the bloody planet to begin with! I know I don't want some 'hero' if he's not got the forces to do the job and one man isn't gonna be it.

He rally'd the forces in ME1. The citadel was an invasion, Shepard rally'd the forces to stop that invasion and even led them directly making the call to assault Soveriegn or save the council. Bottom line if you're a human with an invasion problem everyone knows Shepard's the guy to talk to.

[Slayer299]

Ship.wreck wrote...
Can anyone verify that because I don't recall it, and am not going to play ME all over again for the answer haha

I'll check youtube tomorrow, i'm too tired to do it now.

He rally'd the forces in ME1. The citadel was an invasion, Shepard rally'd the forces to stop that invasion and even led them directly making the call to assault Soveriegn or save the council. Bottom line if you're a human with an invasion problem everyone knows Shepard's the guy to talk to.

Maybe

[Ship.wreck_]

Slayer299 wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...
Can anyone verify that because I don't recall it, and am not going to play ME all over again for the answer haha

I'll check youtube tomorrow, i'm too tired to do it now.

He rally'd the forces in ME1. The citadel was an invasion, Shepard rally'd the forces to stop that invasion and even led them directly making the call to assault Soveriegn or save the council. Bottom line if you're a human with an invasion problem everyone knows Shepard's the guy to talk to.

Maybe

Fair enough.

And thank you...
/ damn straight

[CaptainZaysh]

hecksard wrote...

But wait, he does know something: that the fate of the earth depends on Shepard. Who's this "Shepard", the new gamer cries? Are there sheep in the game? Sorry, you'll have to google that.  And who's that badass dude at the end, and what does "N7" mean? Wait and see, or play the first two games already.  Didn't you know it's a trilogy?  So really, even in this one minute, there's quite a bit hinted that the new gamer will be in the dark about.

Dude, are you for real?  You don't think the question "who's this Shepard" is immediately resolved by the jump cut to the "mysterious" badass dude?  Sheesh.  Credit your fellow apes with some degree of intelligence (or at least familiarity with cinematic storytelling techniques) please.

hecksard wrote...
What's dodgy is that Big Ben should still be completely in the dark about the enemy when he's savvy enough to know that Shepard is the key to earth's salvation. How could he have that tidbit of information, be sufficiently connected to the command structure or otherwise hooked in to know this fact at all - and believe it - but without even having an inkling of what the enemy is?  It just makes no sense.  Or if it does make sense within the logic of the upcoming game, I'm not sure that bodes well at all.

You're extrapolating a lot from the line "don't know what they are."  Isn't it in fact true that we don't know what the Reapers are, really?  You are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

[Slayer299]

Ship.wreck wrote...
Can anyone verify that because I don't recall it, and am not going to play ME all over again for the answer haha

BTW - I did check YouTube and the Asari Councilor says "You saved not just our lives, but billions from Sovereign and the Reapers...."  So, yeah,.

edit - fixed formatting

Modifié par Slayer299, 13 décembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Wolverfrog]

He wasn't talking about the Reapers. He was talking about whatever species the one he shot through his rifle in the trailer belonged to.



Then near the end of the trailer the Reapers descend and he looks up in horror.

[Slayer299]

Wolverfrog wrote...

He wasn't talking about the Reapers. He was talking about whatever species the one he shot through his rifle in the trailer belonged to.

Then near the end of the trailer the Reapers descend and he looks up in horror.

Wolverfrog, what are you talking about?

[In Exile]

People are overthinking the trailer. This is just designed to hype people up for ME3. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it.