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[OnionMan26]

Inverness Moon wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Yup, it is amazing how he thinks steel would survive it. Nuclear Fusion is what keeps the sun burning Darth_Ultima, it's also the exact same think that makes a FUSION bomb go boom

I think he missed the part where the Castle Bravo test vaporized the island it was on in a 7km wide fireball. The reapers are about 2km long for comparison.

I have to say though, he is the first person I've ever seen say they think anything on this planet could survive a direct hit from a nuke.

<sarcasm>Yeah but clearly a ww2 battleship is much more robust than an ISLAND</sarcasm>

[Cody]

Source?

It's the future for one, and for two they use ships that have to travel through space at a speed that makes the speed of light look like a friggin turtle. That and go through atmospheric entry multiple times over. Like seriously....I am pretty sure they are capable of good protective results.

You don't have an accurate view of the Mass Effect universe. You're greatly overestimating the strength of their armored plating. Their shielding also does not block pure energy.
Also, being able to fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds is nothing compared to a single multi-megaton nuke which is 1000 times more powerful.

oh rly? Wheres the source that says they can't defend against it? Your
GREATLY underestimating the strength of their plating. Take over 100
ships  that can fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds. Now add up the
amount of fire power to a whole one minute worth. Then you will have a
somewhat good view of what soveregn went though, and he was tanking it
as if it were nothing. He probably would of been fine too if it weren't
for Shepard.

Modifié par CodyMelch, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[TornadoADV]

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

This is true. That and the thing is though the armor that the space ships used in mass effect are more or less over 9000 times more protective than the ones used today for any ship.

Comparing armor, and weapons as of now or in the past to mass effect is a moot point. Hell any type of nuke that we use at present time may do absolutly nothing to any of the ships in mass effect. Mainly because their armor plating is too friggin advanced. Same goes for their shielding. So in the end any weapon that we use today would probably not work on anything on mass effect. Mainly because it is a FICTIONAL story that takes place in the future....

Also i have to say that the weapons used by the ships in mass effect are indeed a hell of a lot better seeing as they can fire such weapons every 2 seconds. Which in the end it makes the speed comparable if not greater than the power of a nuke used today.

But the projectiles fired by their ships only have the kinetic energy equivalent to 38 kilotons of TNT. The most powerful nuclear weapon built had a yield of 50 megatons, 1,315 times more powerful than the weapon they used by dreadnaughts. Granted, only a small amount of the radiation would hit the target if the bomb was detonated in space and the effect would be more disperse but even with our current technology, we can design a nuke to release its energy asymetrically, basically making it release more radiation towards the direction we want it to. With the kind of technology they have in ME, they should be able to design nukes with directionally shaped detonations.

But why would they need to when the current slugs work just as well? A slug firing a nuclear warhead is magnitudes more complex than firing a solid one and for what benefit? They can only fight with the weapons they have to hand.

Sov showed no signs of slowing from the collective barrage of the human fleet in ME1, so the statement "works just as well" is patently false. Sometimes you have to make complex weapons (Like the Javelin) to deal with a foe's defenses.

It's obvious when dealing with Reapers we need to step up the magnitude of tonnage we are tossing down-range.

[Darth_Ultima]

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
You do know that the sun is basically a giant fusion reactor don't you? A nuclear weapon can release the same kinds of radiation that the sun releases. In fact, the design of a nuke can be altered to release any kind of high energy radiation you want.

Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

Really!?!!!!!  THE SUN IS A GIANT FUSION REACTOR!?!  I DID not know THAT!?!  BTW That was a sarcastic remark.  I am done arguing.  If anybody wants to continue dissecting the plausability of defending Earth from alien invasion using nuclear weapons then go right ahead.  I will be playing Mass Effect.

Right, sarcasm, from someone who didn't know that the prefix mega denotes a multiple of a million and the prefix of kilo denotes a multiple of a thousand.

I'm surprised that you even managed to install Mass Effect on your computer considering how the game requires several gigabytes of disk space and you no doubt thought that your 100 megabyte hard drive had more than enough capacity.

Yup, it is amazing how he thinks steel would survive it. Nuclear Fusion is what keeps the sun burning Darth_Ultima, it's also the exact same thing that makes a FUSION bomb go boom

And yet 5 proud warships sit at the bottom of the Bikini Atoll that had  a nuclear device detonated 500 feet above them and were not completely melted away.  Not to mention the 250 other ships that were still afloat.   We really need to hand it to the US Navy.  They don't make them like they used to.  Seriously if you people are the product of Americas education system then no wonder China is kicking our ass.

Modifié par Darth_Ultima, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:32 .

[OnionMan26]

TornadoADV wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

This is true. That and the thing is though the armor that the space ships used in mass effect are more or less over 9000 times more protective than the ones used today for any ship.

Comparing armor, and weapons as of now or in the past to mass effect is a moot point. Hell any type of nuke that we use at present time may do absolutly nothing to any of the ships in mass effect. Mainly because their armor plating is too friggin advanced. Same goes for their shielding. So in the end any weapon that we use today would probably not work on anything on mass effect. Mainly because it is a FICTIONAL story that takes place in the future....

Also i have to say that the weapons used by the ships in mass effect are indeed a hell of a lot better seeing as they can fire such weapons every 2 seconds. Which in the end it makes the speed comparable if not greater than the power of a nuke used today.

But the projectiles fired by their ships only have the kinetic energy equivalent to 38 kilotons of TNT. The most powerful nuclear weapon built had a yield of 50 megatons, 1,315 times more powerful than the weapon they used by dreadnaughts. Granted, only a small amount of the radiation would hit the target if the bomb was detonated in space and the effect would be more disperse but even with our current technology, we can design a nuke to release its energy asymetrically, basically making it release more radiation towards the direction we want it to. With the kind of technology they have in ME, they should be able to design nukes with directionally shaped detonations.

But why would they need to when the current slugs work just as well? A slug firing a nuclear warhead is magnitudes more complex than firing a solid one and for what benefit? They can only fight with the weapons they have to hand.

Sov showed no signs of slowing from the collective barrage of the human fleet in ME1, so the statement "works just as well" is patently false. Sometimes you have to make complex weapons (Like the Javelin) to deal with a foe's defenses.

It's obvious when dealing with Reapers we need to step up the magnitude of tonnage we are tossing down-range.

Work just as well against current foes, they didn't design their weapon systems with the thought of fending of reapers. Try to keep up

[Giantevilhead]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
You do know that the sun is basically a giant fusion reactor don't you? A nuclear weapon can release the same kinds of radiation that the sun releases. In fact, the design of a nuke can be altered to release any kind of high energy radiation you want.

Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

Really!?!!!!!  THE SUN IS A GIANT FUSION REACTOR!?!  I DID not know THAT!?!  BTW That was a sarcastic remark.  I am done arguing.  If anybody wants to continue dissecting the plausability of defending Earth from alien invasion using nuclear weapons then go right ahead.  I will be playing Mass Effect.

Right, sarcasm, from someone who didn't know that the prefix mega denotes a multiple of a million and the prefix of kilo denotes a multiple of a thousand.

I'm surprised that you even managed to install Mass Effect on your computer considering how the game requires several gigabytes of disk space and you no doubt thought that your 100 megabyte hard drive had more than enough capacity.

Actually I do.  I also know what tera, peta, exa, zetta, and yotta mean too.  However you seem to have difficulty reading because I never said that I did not understand what those mean.  You really have to try harder than that to insult my intelligence.  Unless your IQ is somewhere above 150 then don't bother trying.

I don't need to insult your intelligence. You're doing a fine job all by yourself. You deserve a pat on the head.

[TornadoADV]

CodyMelch wrote...


Source?[/b][/i][/u]

It's the future for one, and for two they use ships that have to travel through space at a speed that makes the speed of light look like a friggin turtle. That and go through atmospheric entry multiple times over. Like seriously....I am pretty sure they are capable of good protective results.

You don't have an accurate view of the Mass Effect universe. You're greatly overestimating the strength of their armored plating. Their shielding also does not block pure energy.[/u][/i][/b]
Also, being able to fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds is nothing compared to a single multi-megaton nuke which is 1000 times more powerful.

oh rly? Wheres the source that says they can't defend against it? Your
GREATLY underestimating the strength of their plating. Take over 100
ships  that can fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds. Now add up the
amount of fire power to a whole one minute worth. Then you will have a
somewhat good view of what soveregn went though, and he was tanking it
as if it were nothing. He probably would of been fine too if it weren't
for Shepard.

Is there any canon statement on the tonnage of power a spinal mount from a Cruiser puts out? Early dreads where 21 KT.

[Giantevilhead]

CodyMelch wrote...


Source?

It's the future for one, and for two they use ships that have to travel through space at a speed that makes the speed of light look like a friggin turtle. That and go through atmospheric entry multiple times over. Like seriously....I am pretty sure they are capable of good protective results.

You don't have an accurate view of the Mass Effect universe. You're greatly overestimating the strength of their armored plating. Their shielding also does not block pure energy.
Also, being able to fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds is nothing compared to a single multi-megaton nuke which is 1000 times more powerful.

oh rly? Wheres the source that says they can't defend against it? Your
GREATLY underestimating the strength of their plating. Take over 100
ships  that can fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds. Now add up the
amount of fire power to a whole one minute worth. Then you will have a
somewhat good view of what soveregn went though, and he was tanking it
as if it were nothing. He probably would of been fine too if it weren't
for Shepard.

Only dreadnaughts have mass drivers powerful enough to fire those 38 kiloton slugs, and there are less than 100 dreadnaughts in the entire galaxy.

[OnionMan26]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
You do know that the sun is basically a giant fusion reactor don't you? A nuclear weapon can release the same kinds of radiation that the sun releases. In fact, the design of a nuke can be altered to release any kind of high energy radiation you want.

Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

Really!?!!!!!  THE SUN IS A GIANT FUSION REACTOR!?!  I DID not know THAT!?!  BTW That was a sarcastic remark.  I am done arguing.  If anybody wants to continue dissecting the plausability of defending Earth from alien invasion using nuclear weapons then go right ahead.  I will be playing Mass Effect.

Right, sarcasm, from someone who didn't know that the prefix mega denotes a multiple of a million and the prefix of kilo denotes a multiple of a thousand.

I'm surprised that you even managed to install Mass Effect on your computer considering how the game requires several gigabytes of disk space and you no doubt thought that your 100 megabyte hard drive had more than enough capacity.

Yup, it is amazing how he thinks steel would survive it. Nuclear Fusion is what keeps the sun burning Darth_Ultima, it's also the exact same thing that makes a FUSION bomb go boom

And yet 5 proud warships sit at the bottom of the Bikini Atoll that had  a nuclear device detonated 500 feet above them and were not completely melted away.  Not to mention the 250 other ships that were still afloat.   We really need to hand it to the US Navy.  They don't make them like they used to.  Seriously if you people are the product of Americas education system then no wonder China is kicking our ass.

OMG   you cannot be real. Answer my very simple physics a few posts back. You are apparently so intelligent, please can you come back with facts a 13 year old should be able to comprehend. 

Go to http://www.google.co...308647&t=h&z=12

Look top left, see there is a gouge out the atoll next to that green island. Well that used to be a green island just like the one to the left of the crater.

BTW. I'm not American 

Modifié par OnionMan26, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:54 .

[TornadoADV]

Darth_Ultima wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
You do know that the sun is basically a giant fusion reactor don't you? A nuclear weapon can release the same kinds of radiation that the sun releases. In fact, the design of a nuke can be altered to release any kind of high energy radiation you want.

Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

Really!?!!!!!  THE SUN IS A GIANT FUSION REACTOR!?!  I DID not know THAT!?!  BTW That was a sarcastic remark.  I am done arguing.  If anybody wants to continue dissecting the plausability of defending Earth from alien invasion using nuclear weapons then go right ahead.  I will be playing Mass Effect.

Right, sarcasm, from someone who didn't know that the prefix mega denotes a multiple of a million and the prefix of kilo denotes a multiple of a thousand.

I'm surprised that you even managed to install Mass Effect on your computer considering how the game requires several gigabytes of disk space and you no doubt thought that your 100 megabyte hard drive had more than enough capacity.

Yup, it is amazing how he thinks steel would survive it. Nuclear Fusion is what keeps the sun burning Darth_Ultima, it's also the exact same thing that makes a FUSION bomb go boom

And yet 5 proud warships sit at the bottom of the Bikini Atoll that had  a nuclear device detonated 500 feet above them and were not completely melted away.  Not to mention the 250 other ships that were still afloat.   We really need to hand it to the US Navy.  They don't make them like they used to.  Seriously if you people are the product of Americas education system then no wonder China is kicking our ass.

Maybe you should go through reading comprehension again, you obviously failed it. We never failed to state any other situation outside of a direct contact explosion would vaporize a battleship. 520 feet is not direct contact.

[Encarmine]

Well, I dont know about the ME universe, but if the reapers arrived in todays world, im fairly certain, if they for eg, touched down in europe, Russia and America and China wouldnt think twice about Nuking the whole of Europe, with the logic of 'there already lost, time to protect the rest'



Infact, even in the ME universe, im sure they would think about that also, though probly it would be the Alliance orbital bombardment style, Earths lucky im not in charge haha, it would have like 24hours to evac as many as possible, and then firestorm time lol

[Cody]

Darth_Ultima wrote...
Seriously if you people are the product of Americas education system then no wonder China is kicking our ass.

Thats enough with the insults. This is getting rediculous. If you are getting angry in a debate do not lash out with insultts. It is a childish behaviour and is totaly un cool o_o.

That isn't directed at only him though people. Anyone in this thread that have dished out an insult of any kind to one another is acting just as childish. Enough is enough. Grow up guys come on.

[Cody]

Giantevilhead wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...


Source?

It's the future for one, and for two they use ships that have to travel through space at a speed that makes the speed of light look like a friggin turtle. That and go through atmospheric entry multiple times over. Like seriously....I am pretty sure they are capable of good protective results.

You don't have an accurate view of the Mass Effect universe. You're greatly overestimating the strength of their armored plating. Their shielding also does not block pure energy.
Also, being able to fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds is nothing compared to a single multi-megaton nuke which is 1000 times more powerful.

oh rly? Wheres the source that says they can't defend against it? Your
GREATLY underestimating the strength of their plating. Take over 100
ships  that can fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds. Now add up the
amount of fire power to a whole one minute worth. Then you will have a
somewhat good view of what soveregn went though, and he was tanking it
as if it were nothing. He probably would of been fine too if it weren't
for Shepard.

Only dreadnaughts have mass drivers powerful enough to fire those 38 kiloton slugs, and there are less than 100 dreadnaughts in the entire galaxy.

Point is mate they have enough fire power combined to make the atomic bomb used back in WWII look like a fire ******....okay...I do not mean explosive wise. But damage wise.

[OnionMan26]

TornadoADV wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
You do know that the sun is basically a giant fusion reactor don't you? A nuclear weapon can release the same kinds of radiation that the sun releases. In fact, the design of a nuke can be altered to release any kind of high energy radiation you want.

Also, we can build nuclear weapons that are more than a thousand times more powerful than the bombs used in Operation Crossroads. So comparing our bombs to the bombs used back then is like comparing the mass drivers in ME to the ballistic weapons we have today.

Really!?!!!!!  THE SUN IS A GIANT FUSION REACTOR!?!  I DID not know THAT!?!  BTW That was a sarcastic remark.  I am done arguing.  If anybody wants to continue dissecting the plausability of defending Earth from alien invasion using nuclear weapons then go right ahead.  I will be playing Mass Effect.

Right, sarcasm, from someone who didn't know that the prefix mega denotes a multiple of a million and the prefix of kilo denotes a multiple of a thousand.

I'm surprised that you even managed to install Mass Effect on your computer considering how the game requires several gigabytes of disk space and you no doubt thought that your 100 megabyte hard drive had more than enough capacity.

Yup, it is amazing how he thinks steel would survive it. Nuclear Fusion is what keeps the sun burning Darth_Ultima, it's also the exact same thing that makes a FUSION bomb go boom

And yet 5 proud warships sit at the bottom of the Bikini Atoll that had  a nuclear device detonated 500 feet above them and were not completely melted away.  Not to mention the 250 other ships that were still afloat.   We really need to hand it to the US Navy.  They don't make them like they used to.  Seriously if you people are the product of Americas education system then no wonder China is kicking our ass.

Maybe you should go through reading comprehension again, you obviously failed it. We never failed to state any other situation outside of a direct contact explosion would vaporize a battleship. 520 feet is not direct contact.

Not only that, the blasts where 23 KT each; ABLE air burst at 520 feet and BAKER 90 feet underwater. We have, as stated on here, bombs 1000's of times more powerful that absolutely would vaporise everything in a city to a radius of 9 miles never mind one little battleship( see my post re the island that is no more)

Again, so maybe you will comprehend it, Your argument is no different from saying you could push one into the sun and it will remain intact, it is as simple as that.

Modifié par OnionMan26, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:40 .

[Cody]

TornadoADV wrote...

Maybe you should go through reading comprehension again, you obviously failed it.

Okay. No disrespect but you do know that you are acting just as immature as he is acting with your constant insults right? Seriously.....your only making matters worse.

[OnionMan26]

At the end of the day they may be nuke proof, for no other reason than Bioware say so

[Cody]

OnionMan26 wrote...

At the end of the day they may be nuke proof, for no other reason than Bioware say so

Thars using your noodle

[TornadoADV]

Agreed, let's us all settle on the sentiment of "A Wizard Did It!"

[OnionMan26]

Am still interested to hear his reasoning for a ship being able to live inside the sun in one piece Or should I put it down to wizards again?

Modifié par OnionMan26, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[TornadoADV]

OnionMan26 wrote...

Am still interested to hear his reasoning for a ship being able to live inside the sun in one piece Or should I put it down to wizards again?

Wizards, most certainly.

[Cody]

TornadoADV wrote...

OnionMan26 wrote...

Am still interested to hear his reasoning for a ship being able to live inside the sun in one piece Or should I put it down to wizards again?

Wizards, most certainly.

Morrigan did it for lulz

[Darth_Ultima]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Anyhow, the way I see it. If point defense lasers didn't exist, we could just nuke the reapers and that would be the end of that.

Darth_Ultima wrote...

The bomb dropped on Hiroshima had the explosive potential of 10,000,000 tons of TNT.

Maybe you should learn what a kiloton is before you go around calling people stupid.

Darth_Ultima wrote...
If a real world WWII battleship can survive a direct nuclear impact then so could a fictional futuristic 2 kilometer long sentient starship.  Look up videos of the Operation Crossroads test at Bikini Atoll on youtube and see for yourself.  Moron.

Maybe if you actually looked at the videos you were talking about you noticed none of those ships were directly hit by the bombs. One was detonated in the air and the other was detonated under water. If either of those bombs had been on the deck of any of those ships, that ship would have been vaporized.

Anyhow, as for the rest of your posts. Half of them are nonsensical trolling and your attitude is terrible. I don't know if you're always like this or if you just had a bad day, but if you can't stop being a jerk just leave.

I know what a kiloton is and that a megaton is over a thousand kilotons.  The bomb dropped on the Bikini atoll and the largest bomb the US ever produced, which is 25 megatons, had entirely different yields yet people seem to think I am talking about the same bomb.  Plus people seem to think that when they use a nuclear warhead that the bomb actually hits something to detonate meaning it makes physical contact.  Only conventional bombs need to hit something to be triggered.  Nuclear bombs never physically hit anything they detonate a few hundred feet near their target because with of the magnitute of the explosion a few hundred feet means nothing.  When he started to give me attitude I gave it right back.  I gave up arguing however.  Whats the point.   Enough people believe that view that there is no convincing them.

Modifié par Darth_Ultima, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:26 .

[Inverness Moon]

CodyMelch wrote...

It's the future for one, and for two they use ships that have to travel through space at a speed that makes the speed of light look like a friggin turtle. That and go through atmospheric entry multiple times over. Like seriously....I am pretty sure they are capable of good protective results.

"It's the future" isn't a good reason for anything.

Secondly, FTL travel happens inside a mass effect field, we don't know how they use this to deflect particles away from the ship, which is probably exactly what they do. Assuming that they're just ramming into that stuff at beyond the speed of light is silly.

Also, being able to go through atmospheric reentry doesn't really prove much. Space shuttles can do that pretty easily and they're not future tech.

Atmospheric reentry doesn't even come close to the heat generated by a nuke.

CodyMelch wrote...

oh rly? Wheres the source that says they can't defend against it? Your
GREATLY underestimating the strength of their plating. Take over 100
ships  that can fire a 20 kiloton nuke every 2 seconds. Now add up the
amount of fire power to a whole one minute worth. Then you will have a
somewhat good view of what soveregn went though, and he was tanking it
as if it were nothing. He probably would of been fine too if it weren't
for Shepard.

First of all, a 20 kiloton nuke is nothing compared to our largest nuclear devices. Secondly, there were no Alliance dreadnoughts at the Battle of the Citadel so your point is moot.

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Anyhow, the way I see it. If point defense lasers didn't exist, we could just nuke the reapers and that would be the end of that.

Darth_Ultima wrote...

The bomb dropped on Hiroshima had the explosive potential of 10,000,000 tons of TNT.

Maybe you should learn what a kiloton is before you go around calling people stupid.

Darth_Ultima wrote...
If a real world WWII battleship can survive a direct nuclear impact then so could a fictional futuristic 2 kilometer long sentient starship.  Look up videos of the Operation Crossroads test at Bikini Atoll on youtube and see for yourself.  Moron.

Maybe if you actually looked at the videos you were talking about you noticed none of those ships were directly hit by the bombs. One was detonated in the air and the other was detonated under water. If either of those bombs had been on the deck of any of those ships, that ship would have been vaporized.

Anyhow, as for the rest of your posts. Half of them are nonsensical trolling and your attitude is terrible. I don't know if you're always like this or if you just had a bad day, but if you can't stop being a jerk just leave.

I know what a kiloton is and that a megaton is over a thousand kilotons.  The bomb dropped on the Bikini atoll and the largest bomb the US ever produced, which is 25 megatons, had entirely different yields yet people seem to think I am talking about the same bomb.  Plus people seem to think that when they use a nuclear warhead that the bomb actually hits something to detonate meaning it makes physical contact.  Only conventional bombs need to hit something to be triggered.  Nuclear bombs never physically hit anything they detonate a few hundred feet near their target because with of the magnitute of the explosion a few hundred feet means nothing.  When he started to give me attitude I gave it right back.  I gave up arguing however.  Whats the point.

Well the bomb dropped on Hiroshima is certainly not as powerful as you said, so I'm going to assume you got that mixed up with something else.

Also, it is true that atmospheric detonations happen a few hundred feat above ground, because you have to do that to achieve maximum blast effect. In space, if you're firing at a ship, you would want the detonation to be as close as possible to focus as much power as you can onto the ship.

In that case, a direct hit from a nuke would mean the bomb is a meter or less away from the ship when it explodes. No ship on Earth would survive an nuclear explosion at that distance, and I find it hard to believe a reaper would either. Cruisers were able to tear Sovereign up pretty easily once its shields went down. We all know that kinetic barriers would not stop that release of energy.

So, like I said before, if ships did not have point-defense lasers, they would be pretty easy to destroy with nukes, even reapers, in my opinion.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:28 .

[Cody]

Inverness Moon wrote...

"It's the future" isn't a good reason for anything.

Secondly, FTL travel happens inside a mass effect field, we don't know how they use this to deflect particles away from the ship, which is probably exactly what they do. Assuming that they're just ramming into that stuff at beyond the speed of light is silly.

Also, being able to go through atmospheric reentry doesn't really prove much. Space shuttles can do that pretty easily and they're not future tech.

Atmospheric reentry doesn't even come close to the heat generated by a nuke.

First of all, a 20 kiloton nuke is nothing compared to our largest nuclear devices. Secondly, there were no Alliance dreadnoughts at the Battle of the Citadel so your point is moot.

Cool story bro.

[Cody]

EDIT: (the forums double posted me!)

Modifié par CodyMelch, 13 décembre 2010 - 03:48 .