145 réponses à ce sujet

[Gleym]

I've always loved how "It's super popular, that means any negative opinions are wrong so you should shut up!" is flung around in retaliation to perfectly viable reasons to dislike ME2. The reason I love it is because I always end up thinking "Twilight is immensely popular. So is Justin Bieber. Doesn't make either of them good, especially when compared to previous, superior mediums."

[skinnyhunt05]

Release date is set for December 31 2011 apparently so they have a whole year to finish it.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

 ME3, Resistance 3, Killzone 3, Uncharted 3. All of these games are coming out really fast after their predecessor. I mean ME2 came out THIS YEAR and its sequel is already being announced. What does this mean for ME3, and what does is mean for the game industry?

Are publishers shortening development cycles? Are they copying the CoD model of repetitive 2 year development?
Does this mean that we're going to see less changes in new franchise installments? Is ME2 going to be gameplay identical to ME3?

It means they're not wasting time to rebuild game engines from scratch and are just adding to what they have currently, which lessens development time.

In the case of ME3, it'll come out at least 20 months after ME2 was completed.  Two years for game development is pretty average, and has been for quite awhile now.  And remember, ME2 was delayed from a 2009 release to remove it from the crowded holiday season.  Had it released in 2009, it would've come out two years after ME1. 

There's nothing abnormal with the pace at which ME3, or any of the named games are being developed.  And in the case of Killzone 3, they better put the game out two years after Killzone 2, considering it took them five years to make that game to begin with.

[Fredvdp]

Mikko Kinnunen wrote...

Typically once a dev team gets into the third installment of any franchise, you must assume they've gotten at least a little better at making the said type of game

That's how the Emperor got that second Death Star up so quickly.

[Weiser_Cain]

I'm bracing for disappointment.

[shinobi602]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I'm bracing for disappointment.

lol

Seriously, if I was Bioware right now I'd be saying to myself "Wow, our fans really don't have any faith in us. Pshht"

Whatever, Bioware's never let me down before with their games, literally never. So I'm not worried one bit.

[mopotter]

I've always assumed they have been working on all three from the beginning. So ME1 was released in 2007, ME 2 released in 2010 and Me e released in late 2011 works for me just fine.

[Jesse Houston]

Also it'll have been more than two years since many of the members of the Dev team stopped working on ME2 and when ME3 ships! That's a long time in game development standards folks.

Edit: The 2010 -> 2011 being one year argument is not all that valid.  Given that ME2 came out in January and ME3 will come out in the holiday season of 2011  

Modifié par Jesse Houston, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:02 .

[sinosleep]

Terror_K wrote...

Since when most of those people want simple, action-oriented titles completely lacking in complexity or depth because such things confuse and bore them. Since gaming became less focussed on the AD&D audience and more focussed on the ADD one. Since it's so radically shifted the direction the gaming industry has taken to the point where everybody is producing the same brown hybrid mush as everybody else in an attempt to merely find that perfect balance in order to make profit rather than to actually make good, well-defined games because they can see the way the wind is blowing and they've got the scent of money wafting towards Bungie, Epic and Activision carried by Halo, Gears of War and CoD.

Since then.

And you wonder why you've been repeatedly labled as an elitist.

Modifié par sinosleep, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:03 .

[Vena_86]

Then why is Gears of War 3 taking so long. What about Skyrim (TES V), or The Witcher 2. And Blizzard..ouch.

With great reputation comes great resposibility

[sinosleep]

If you've been following the development of Gears then you know that a whole hell of a lot of people are putting the delays of Gears almost ENTIRELY on marketing (Microsoft has taken some huge hits with regards to quality first party titles coming out) and not all on the actual game development.

Skyrim is using a new engine from what I understand.

And Blizzard is well, Blizzard.

Modifié par sinosleep, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[Pwner1323]

Blizzard only wants money remember...



What do people see in wow anyway?

[Normandy30]

I know that they said that the ME3 production time would be drastically shorter than the time between ME1 and ME2 because they have a new amazing reliable game engine that they used for for ME2. This does not mean that game play plot and features are going to all be the same or no new ones will be added. It simply means that the graphics will be around the same quality, the game mechanics in how you move about the world will be about the same, and the physics of the game will be the same. A developer can always use a engine to do new things from a previous game. So i do expect to see some changes from 2 to 3.

[pinskyyang]

Watch for delays people lol at least on the DelayStation 3 - what grinds my gears is when devs./publishers already have "planed DLC" c'mon! put it in the final product in which we're paying $60 for!

[Terror_K]

sinosleep wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Since when most of those people want simple, action-oriented titles completely lacking in complexity or depth because such things confuse and bore them. Since gaming became less focussed on the AD&D audience and more focussed on the ADD one. Since it's so radically shifted the direction the gaming industry has taken to the point where everybody is producing the same brown hybrid mush as everybody else in an attempt to merely find that perfect balance in order to make profit rather than to actually make good, well-defined games because they can see the way the wind is blowing and they've got the scent of money wafting towards Bungie, Epic and Activision carried by Halo, Gears of War and CoD.

Since then.

And you wonder why you've been repeatedly labled as an elitist.

Oh please... How can one even express their opinions about modern gaming and how things are going when just simply stating their views is considered "elitist" because it doesn't match popular opinion?

It's a typically asinine of today's defenders to resort to such petty and hypocritical tactics in order to make their points rather than actually coming up with a proper defence, and all it does is just prove how incredibly arrogant  they are, by thinking that they are of course the right ones simply because the "elitist" disagrees with them and so many other these days agree. All those who constantly use the term "elitist" do is prove the immaturity, self-importance and overall ignorance of the group they represent. How dare somebody have an opinion contrary to them! How dare somebody have tastes that aren't theirs and the majority of others these days!

On these forums an "elitist" is simply anybody who disagrees with popular opinion and states it. And if that makes me an "elitist" then I guess I'm an "elitist"

That doesn't mean I'm wrong though.

[CARL_DF90]

Everything can be summed up like this: Careful planning, good management, skilled team, reliable financing, and huge demand both internal and external to help motivate.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 16 décembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[sinosleep]

Terror_K, your constant NEED to belittle anything non-rpg by CONSTANTLY using terms like confused (yeah, because my EIGHT YEAR OLD NEPHEW couldn't possibly understand how to play Baldur's Gate, oh wait, he can, cause it's not ****ing rocket science), bored, ADD riddled are why you are looked at as an elitist. The whole lot of you going on about older RPG plots as if they were friggen Dostoyevsky is why you are labeled as an elitist. Bringing up the idea that everything is the same when every time I've asked you to provide me with a list of how many modern shooters feature a.) a narrative you control b.) leveling c.) skill point based powers that are used in combat d.) a squad whose development you also control and a dialogue system like Mass Effect's since it's become so much like EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE MARKET you fail to provide it.

You do a good job trying to play the victim but this is hardly an isolated incident, the EXACT SAME THING happened to you repeatedly at the old boards before this site was ever launched. Don't give me this GARBAGE about how you are being persecuted for having an opinion that's different from the majority. Look at your own thread here

http://social.biowar...5/index/5152644

I AGREED with a whole lot of what you posted there and many people were civil in their conversations with you precisely because for ONCE, while posting on these forums you refrained from putting older games on this ridiculous pedestal and from going out of your way to insult huge groups of people for the sin of liking modern shooters.

Modifié par sinosleep, 16 décembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Pacifien]

If you guys want to have a personal argument, I suggest taking it to PM. If you want to have a discussion about the state of RPGs, take it to the Off Topic Forum.

[kstarler]

I admit that I haven't read this entire thread, so I don't know if this has come up already. It seems that one of the reasons they want ME3 out at the end of next year is to beat the release of next generation gaming consoles. If they wait any longer, they are risking releasing software for hardware that has already been replaced, or will be replaced very quickly. While it's unlikely we'll see new consoles form Microsoft or Sony next year, it's possible that we'll see them in 2012, and that leaves a smaller window for releasing the final game in the series.

Regardless of their reasons, I'm just happy to take down the Reapers sooner rather than later.

[Aidoru Kami]

I honestly think it shouldn't be released until 2012. I really want some time for improvement, no matter how much I enjoyed Mass Effect 2. I just honestly think that it isn't enough time.