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[Krenmu]

Team B, nah..Team C though is where its at.

[Levowitz]

if you get the mountain fortress DLC you can get more Grey Warden abilities, but it's kind of an evil action.

[Krenmu]

Not if you kill Avernus after...Its redeeming...Kinda like if you punch someone then give them Candy..it makes it ok.

[Wintermist]

It's hard to define evil, isn't it. Is it evil to use Avernus work to enhance your abilities in order to save Ferelden? Avernus already did it, the result is there. Smash the vial pointlessly, out of principle, or use it for good?

[JamesX]

Wintermist wrote...

It's hard to define evil, isn't it. Is it evil to use Avernus work to enhance your abilities in order to save Ferelden? Avernus already did it, the result is there. Smash the vial pointlessly, out of principle, or use it for good?

*heavy breathing* "Welcome to the Dark Side ... my son...." 

[phordicus]

really, it's just a meaningless title. somehow i'm supposed to care about its legacy and mission because the recruiter bailed me out of my tragic origin story full of squalor, betrayal, and loss. yeah, anything would be better than where you started.



does anyone else find it amusing one of the loading screens mentions the GW's power of conscription, yet nowhere in the game are you able to even attempt this.

[Wintermist]

Hehe. But really, consider this.



You kill a murderer, and you find that he carried a very fine dagger. That's a murderers weapon you just took, he had killed many people with that blade. Now you are using it to slay murderers. It's the same as using Avernus vial, I think.



Now if you yourself had done all the work of Avernus, you would certainly have a wicked mind, but since you didn't. You only found it, and even though you know where it comes from, that is already over now, and the final result is there on the table in front of you. I don't think it's evil to drink it.



It would be evil to use the powers gained from it to do evil. It woulc be good to use the powers from it to do good.

[JamesX]

You cannot conscript because you have no idea how t initiate them into Gray Warden. You talked to Alister about this problem. Eventually the Gray Warden will send an "real" Warden who is fully trained from Orlais and he will deal with the issue of expanding the order in Feralden.

[Cursek]

Lol, it doesn't have to impact your gameplay, simply being one is why half of Fereldin even talks to your ass.

[Krenmu]

Your biggest ablility is the ability to raise an army..only a grey warden can do that...So how exactly does it not effect gameplay?

[AtomZero]

Well if you get Wardens keep there is the vial that gives you 2 new abilities (Depending on your class). It's a potion made from the darkspawn taint, so only a Grey Warden could use it..that counts.. right?

[AtomZero]

Wintermist wrote...

It's hard to define evil, isn't it. Is it evil to use Avernus work to enhance your abilities in order to save Ferelden? Avernus already did it, the result is there. Smash the vial pointlessly, out of principle, or use it for good?

that's why I like that there's no moral compass ( I guess other than your companions). You can justify the means and ends however you want in your head, no good/bad scale dictating if your characters current actions are evil/good in the long run.

[Drachengelt]

phordicus wrote...

does anyone else find it amusing one of the loading screens mentions the GW's power of conscription, yet nowhere in the game are you able to even attempt this.

You actually can try to use this in Lothering to persuate the Revered Mother to hand over Sten to your care.
I failed it though... Seems like the power of conscription isn't at all as powerful as it is made out to be =)

[Reiella]

Drachengelt wrote...

phordicus wrote...

does anyone else find it amusing one of the loading screens mentions the GW's power of conscription, yet nowhere in the game are you able to even attempt this.

You actually can try to use this in Lothering to persuate the Revered Mother to hand over Sten to your care.
I failed it though... Seems like the power of conscription isn't at all as powerful as it is made out to be =)

You really can't succeed with that line, she just states that with the state the Wardens are in, you are in no position to use the Right of Conscription. 

[Marik333]

To all those who were squished by Cauthrien, I offer only my sincere wish that I could show you a video of my squishy little mage pwning her by running around in circles in the library, Horroring her and spamming the entire room with debuffs and spells while she recoups. I seriously had NO IDEA that you were actually "supposed" to lose that fight... now I gotta go back and replay it, JUST to have Morrigan talk to the Chantry priestess (which a dev specifically mentioned as being funny)... that, and I want to see if it gets me any comments about wearing her ring.



Good times...

[Madanial]

1. You can sense when the Bright is coming(If no one knows, it maybe too late for mankind to realize that they're in danger.)

2. You can unite all race to fight against Archdemon.(Agreement between each race about what Grey Warden can do maybe.)

3. You're protected from darkspawn's blood.

4. You can kill Archdemon.

[cipher86]

Madanial wrote...

1. You can sense when the Bright is coming(If no one knows, it maybe too late for mankind to realize that they're in danger.)
2. You can unite all race to fight against Archdemon.(Agreement between each race about what Grey Warden can do maybe.)
3. You're protected from darkspawn's blood.
4. You can kill Archdemon.

Storyrelated bits.  Gameplay would be like, permanent +5 dmg. vs darkspawn.  Even that would've been something.  Or maybe Grey Warden specialization skills for the main character and Alistair.  As it is, it's just like "Hey I'm a Grey Warden, do what I say!  Oh I need to help you first?  Okay..."

Modifié par cipher86, 13 novembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[challenger18]

I was a little disappointed we didn't recieve some Grey Warden abilities as well. The books and one particular tale of how a few Grey Wardens whooped a lot of darkspawn ass made it seem like we would have some sort of combat advantage against them. Nothing.



I thought it would have at least been cool to have sense darkspawn and you'd be able to see them as tiny red blurs on your screen until they came into view or something. Then have some sort of combat advantage against them, passive or active.

[Bathead]

Reiella wrote...

JamesX wrote...

Without becoming Gray Warden you don't even get past your origin.
Keep in mind the story is written in the assumption you are a Gray Warden.

It is akin to saying Being Batman has no advantages - when the game is scaled to you being bat man.

Like in Knights, when the game was scaled to you being a Jedi...  Although really it's kinda goofy, all it means is you're part of the A-team, and all it really ever means.

You, Commander Shepard, Revan, and the General are A-team.

Would be neat to have a game where you're team B though.

You kinda had that in Lord of the Rings: The Third Age, where your band of no-name adventurers  was sort of following in the footsteps of the Fellowship.

[Endurium]

I'm doing Crime Wave in Denarim and lots of side quests - not Gray Warden material (they only care about ending a blight)



I'm trying to romance Leliana (possibly broken - quest done, 100 approval, nothing but stories - sigh) despite probably living only 30 more years (according to Alistair) and not getting a chance to tell her that. Wynne also properly warned me love isn't something a Gray Warden should be distracted with.



Thus it seems the only way to feel like a Gray Warden is to pursue only the main plot. Ignore side quests, ignore romances, and don't spend excess time picking up companions who'll only sit in camp.



On the other hand, my rogue got Blood skills (Diabolist achievement) from drinking an elixir in Warden's Keep, something that would only work due to his exposure to the Darkspawn taint. That's probably the only tangible evidence that I'm playing a Gray Warden character. Otherwise he's just a rogue who loves women, robbery, and completing quests.

[Levowitz]

Wintermist wrote...

It's hard to define evil, isn't it. Is it evil to use Avernus work to enhance your abilities in order to save Ferelden? Avernus already did it, the result is there. Smash the vial pointlessly, out of principle, or use it for good?

The road to hell is paved with the best intentions.

[Archonsg]

Titles and honours themselves even if symbolic can carry a lot of weight. Being a Grey Warden by tradition means that you are one of the few who can affect any fight against the darkspawn and especially when dealing with an Archdemon. I would expect that the original privilege was given by rulers who knew *exactly* why the Grey Wardens are needed, that they are the only ones who can truly kill an archdemon and only because of their sacrifice via The Joining. That knowledge of course was lost and forgotten with the passage of time and as far as your time is concerned; to most people they just know its law or tradition to obey a Grey Warden in matters concerning the blight.

As for why the big fuss about a title, then consider this, why would anyone obey say....a president? A President is as human as anyone, but because that title gives him power, he does have power over the life and death over a lot of people and people do what he tells them to (for the most part) because of that title.
So to me, being called a "Grey Warden" is in the game's context much akin as a reference to nobility along with the mandate that you have a huge say when it comes to matters concerning the blight.

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:31 .

[Archonsg]

*double posting*
Uggh! This forum nees a "delete post" button as well as better page/memory/cache loading ....

Modifié par Archonsg, 13 novembre 2009 - 06:27 .

[rilzic]

in order to have specific warden abilities you need to buy the DLC



BS if you ask me

[RazorrX]

rilzic wrote...

in order to have specific warden abilities you need to buy the DLC

BS if you ask me

Those are not Warden Abilities.  Those were created by a blood mage.  The whole Wardens Peak storyline is about Grey Wardens who crossed the line and failed.