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[Destroy Raiden_]

We’ve all wanted Earth so I’m glade its there I just hope before the reapers show and go psycho I get to set foot on it. I suppose if it’s a warzone we’re only allowed to land into as long as its free roaming and I can also choose to take my infiltrator up into towers and tall buildings to provide my teams with covering fire while they do a task I told them to then that’d be fine too at least I’m there. Even if Earth is the first to be hit they won’t be the last I think smaller colonies and large home worlds will be hit in similar fashions though I expect not all and hope BW has variety attacks happening because in the plausible sense or reality once one planet knows how Earth was hit they’ll stack their defenses accordingly. I’d say a few bombs dropping reaper ships blowing through the atmosphere for some worlds but others would need to have reaper indoctrinated spies carefully put down to say blow up major fuel, weapons, production, and government body establishments kind of like how in BGS #6 gets ahold of a nuke project and blows it sky high on Caprica.



Also I hope all levels, side quest, main quest, hub, groundside are free roaming and not corridor linear shooting galleries.



I expect we will be going to all homeworlds and doing missions for them I also hope that’s not all we do in my version of this it would take 2 –3 visits we’d do missions as well as vocal negotiations for instance we visit Palvin the governments and armies want us to prove we can do this so they send us to a Batarian facility to get tech they’ve always wanted. We do that so we’re now half way to a yes from them, now we either do a second mission or we sit down with Palvin governments and army officials and we use what allies we’ve got to bargain out something to get them to help us not only retake Earth but also fight the reapers where ever the next front will be so for instance we can choose Rachni labor, Geth guns, or Quarian Shield blasting tech to trade with Palvin for their aid they’ll go over what we propose and if they accept they’re with us if not they counter and we can refuse or accept. If we refuse we get one last counter with them if they refuse it’s a no go and the world later in the game becomes reaper food.



Now I know what I just laid out is a lot to do I’m kind of thinking how Kessen litterly went through all stages of war it wasn’t just the enemy is coming the troupes are on the field and you get your tropes there and rock paper scissors who wins it. In Kessen the game chose the field but you went into battle strategies with your generals laid out what troops went where and did what. Then you could bribe the enemy you pick what to bribe them with and who to send they go these envoys had a fail/success ratio sometimes they did it other times they got killed. If the envoy was a success then the bribed unit joined you or left the field either way making your life easier. You’d even pull in and negotiate with any allies you had that where not present in the game to get more troops or money also a successes/fail thing. Then once on battle all your troops do what you said but you can easily and quickly alter any troop on the fly and do what you need to if the enemy doesn’t do what you thought they would battles sure took a lot of time like C&C but definitely realistic in how it was done. I’m not suggesting 3 suddenlty become a war simulator but I’d just like a few back and forth sessions with homeworlds so its not a do one mission or say all the right things and boom they’re on board I’d like a success/fail with them based off the whole package rather then a single encounter.



EDIT: Hopefully Earth isn’t the only world in trouble in 3 and we’re doing nothing but getting worlds on board to save them solely it would be unrealistic for Earth to hold out the whole game until Shep can bring back troops to help them and hardly any other homeworlds get hit in the process. I would think if it happened right off Earth holds for 3 worlds or x amount of time I also think no matter how fast you try thing Earth will become a blackout world therefore reaper food and it gives us motivation to stop all other worlds and remaining human colonies from becoming said snack products.

[Bishna]

I think we can all agree that we would rather be saving the volus home planet am i right?.... But seriously i always thought that earth would have made for some cool dlc missions. Im excited to see how earth looks in the me universe. However i hope that a large amount of time isnt spent there. I don't play mass effect games so i can dick around on earth.

[XX55XX]

I am slightly disappointed by the trailer. It's not that I prefer not to see Earth in ME3, but rather, to see it be the focus of the game appears to go against the plotlines in the previous two games. Now, to save the galaxy, we must now save Earth? Makes little sense, and it appears that BioWare might be pulling off a huge deus ex machinima in order to justify why Earth/humanity is so important to the Reapers, just like they did in ME2.

But fortunately, I play ME for the characters, not the contribed storyline BioWare put together. The Reapers are merely window dressing.

[nzag1971]

That's why the British should return the Parthenon marbles back to Athens Greece where they belong. Save them from destruction.

[supremecommando]

I thought the trailer was really good. I don't think the entire game will take place on Earth as it was just a reveal trailer and the mass effect 2 reveal trailer had a Geth wearing Shepard's armour which turned out to be legion. Hopefully, they will reveal more in the near future and something more about the next DLC.

[hawat333]

Both.

It's a game in science fiction world. Well, it's like fantasy. Why would I play a fantasy rpg if not for unique touch (sorry for everyone playing a human male warrior ). Same here. Why would I play a sci-fi RPG if not for the different worlds?



On the other hand, storywise, attacking -and possibly obliberating- Earth makes it personal. Much more personal.

[Bishna]

nzag1971 wrote...

That's why the British should return the Parthenon marbles back to Athens Greece where they belong. Save them from destruction.

also, all those mummies

[Weskerr]

Douglas wrote...

The Reapers in London are living on borrowed time,as soon as the local pubs run out of alcohol. Five million angry Scots will descend upon London like a plague of angry red haired locusts.

No one else thinks this is hilarious? Especially with Douglas' avatar picture.

[Mindless_Prey]

Here's why it makes sense they're attacking Earth.

1. you're a human protagonist

2. you saved the Citadel from Soverign

3. you defeated a Human Reaper and stopped the collectors, effectively pissing off Harbinger

4. Reapers now invade protagonist's home world.

and nobody aint going to earth till we find the species to ally with us to take em down

Modifié par Mindless_Prey, 12 décembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Finnish Dragon]

I think there is one more thing to consider regarding marketing Mass Effect 3.



When Bioware marketed Mass Effect 2 they implicated Legion as the Geth who killed Shepard. When you played ME2 you discovered that wasn´t true. I wonder how Bioware is going to use the attack on Earth theme. Is there going to be an attack or is that a vision of future what will happen if Shepard fails (like Galadriel´s ,mirror in LotR). I think we don´t know for sure and my guess is that Bioware employees are going to be very close-mouthed regarding this storytelling issue.

[Not...Mordin]

Earth! say it again Earth~ Earth is gonna be great, I wanted an Earth DLC for the VS. This is just great!

[Big stupid jellyfish]

I do hope this trailer is misleading 'cos of being just a teaser and a part of the marketing campaign because I do agree with the OP.



I'm afraid that focus made on saving Earth would make the series seem less epic, make the Galaxy seem less smaller, and would be just more banal. Focusing on 'Earth vs aliens' acenario after a very promising beginning of the story would be... Sad. Let's hope that won't be true.



Also, London showed in the trailer looks just like it does nowadays... Except for the Reapers, heh. While I do understand Bioware/Blur wanted London to be recognizeable, the vibe of the future is lost. No skyscrapers, no futuristic cityscapes, nothing that resembles a pic from the codex:







All in all, in the trailer we can see London being attacked by aliens nowadays. That's kinda ok, but where are the cities of the future? Why are we concentrated on Earth if Mass Effect was about exploring the whole Galaxy? Even Sheploo can be seen only in the very end of the trailer - what is that caucasian dude doing in our trailerz? Idk, the trailer left me disappointed.

Destroy Raiden wrote...



We’ve all wanted Earth

O rly? I never wanted to see Earth in ME, and know a bunch of players who are also indifferent. The majority wanted Earth? Maybe. All of us? Hell no.

[CheeseEnchilada]

 It makes perfect sense that they're attacking Earth, and I think we're all getting way too worried that this game will revolve solely around humanity.

They showed Earth in a trailer to get us pumped up, to give us even more reason to fight the Reapers, and to attract new fans of the series. If they showed us Palaven being attacked, or Kahje, our gut response wouldn't be as extreme. Yet I'm willing to bet the Reapers are giving those planets the same treatment. Earth may be hit a little harder than the other planets at first--Shepard is human, and it's clear the Reapers have a serious grudge against him/her by now. That in no way, shape or form means we're going to see ME3 revolve just around humanity.

It's the debut trailer; it's more to get us excited than to lay out the plot in its entirety. Don't get too worried.

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:02 .

[PraetorianGuard]

Humans have always been an important part of the story in the Mass Effect genre. If you missed that then you seriously need to replay the first two games.

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

 It makes perfect sense that
they're attacking Earth, and I think we're all getting way too worried
that this game will revolve solely around humanity.

They showed
Earth in a trailer to get us pumped up, to give us even more reason to
fight the Reapers, and to attract new fans of the series. If they showed
us Palaven being attacked, or Kahje, our gut response wouldn't be as
extreme. Yet I'm willing to bet the Reapers are giving those planets the
same treatment. Earth may be hit a little harder than the other planets
at first--Shepard is human, and it's clear the Reapers have a serious
grudge against him/her by now. That in no way, shape or form means we're
going to see ME3 revolve around humanity.

It's the debut trailer; it's more to get us excited than to lay out the plot in its entirety. Don't get too worried.

Don't try to use logic with these posters. You'll get no where.

Modifié par PraetorianGuard, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:03 .

[Jenova65]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

I do hope this trailer is misleading 'cos of being just a teaser and a part of the marketing campaign because I do agree with the OP.

I'm afraid that focus made on saving Earth would make the series seem less epic, make the Galaxy seem less smaller, and would be just more banal. Focusing on 'Earth vs aliens' acenario after a very promising beginning of the story would be... Sad. Let's hope that won't be true.

Also, London showed in the trailer looks just like it does nowadays... Except for the Reapers, heh. While I do understand Bioware/Blur wanted London to be recognizeable, the vibe of the future is lost. No skyscrapers, no futuristic cityscapes, nothing that resembles a pic from the codex:



All in all, in the trailer we can see London being attacked by aliens nowadays. That's kinda ok, but where are the cities of the future? Why are we concentrated on Earth if Mass Effect was about exploring the whole Galaxy? Even Sheploo can be seen only in the very end of the trailer - what is that caucasian dude doing in our trailerz? Idk, the trailer left me disappointed.

Destroy Raiden wrote...

We’ve all wanted Earth

O rly? I never wanted to see Earth in ME, and know a bunch of players who are also indifferent. The majority wanted Earth? Maybe. All of us? Hell no.

I guess though, it isn't unreasonable to assume that certain structures would remain in place, there are many buildings across Britain now that have preservation orders, listed buildings that must be preserved but not altered in any way (no double glazing for example ) Maybe in the pristine vision of the future, London's really old buildings and connections to government still stand as a testament to the actual history of the country, iyswim? Just a thought......

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Jenova65 wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Also, London showed in the trailer looks just like it does nowadays... Except for the Reapers, heh. While I do understand Bioware/Blur wanted London to be recognizeable, the vibe of the future is lost. No skyscrapers, no futuristic cityscapes, nothing that resembles a pic from the codex:



All in all, in the trailer we can see London being attacked by aliens nowadays. That's kinda ok, but where are the cities of the future? Why are we concentrated on Earth if Mass Effect was about exploring the whole Galaxy? Even Sheploo can be seen only in the very end of the trailer - what is that caucasian dude doing in our trailerz? Idk, the trailer left me disappointed.

I guess though, it isn't unreasonable to assume that certain structures would remain in place, there are many buildings across Britain now that have preservation orders, listed buildings that must be preserved but not altered in any way (no double glazing for example ) Maybe in the pristine vision of the future, London's really old buildings and connections to government still stand as a testament to the actual history of the country, iyswim? Just a thought......

Take a look at my post - yes, I do agree that using some easily recognizable place for a trailer is understandable, and, taking the fact ME is about future into account, the place chosen must not have been drastically changed in 100-200 years.

Still, it totally kills the futuristic vibe. Imagine Reapers attacking Earth tomorrow and you'd get almost the same scene as shown in the trailer. What hints at the events taking place in the future? 1. Weapon (and only 'cos we know it had been invented in the 22nd century); 2. Unusually looking helicopters and planes (though nothing so futuristic in them too); 3. Space station/ship on the orbit where Sheploo is (once again, we already have both space stations and ships on the orbit, we just don't have gravity there). All.

[Jenova65]

I don't think it does kill the vibe really, but then I am from Nottingham (the one in England..... Robin Hood country) and grew up in a place where 15th century architecture sits next to modern day buildings it didn't remove the aesthetic of either because it was normal :-) And you only see a very small part of London in that trailer.....So who knows, eh?

Wouldn't do for us all to be alike though!

[royceclemens]

They've been foreshadowing this since ninety minutes into the first game. See, that's what I don't get about the complaints.



"They're gonna do the thing they said they were gonna do? BOOOOOOOOO!"

[Giantevilhead]

BeauRoger wrote...

Well of course it all depends on execution. I personally enjoy the thought of briefly visiting earth and it having some role
to play, but id hate to think bioware built this massive space sci-fi
up with all its history and diversity across all the races, galaxies and
exploration, just to finish it off like a generic "save earth from
alien invasion" corridor shooter. I really hope it doesnt end up being
just like dragon age, where you predictably have to go rally up every
race/faction and ensuring their loyalty by solving some problem for
them, and then just go for a final confrontation on earth of all places,
especially when the first game set the series up so well with all the
atmospheric and foreign space exploration. This seems to be the consesus
on neogaf also.
on the other hand i really think earth can be pulled
off really well, as long as it is original and not too "YEAAAH HUMANITY!!!!" dudebro-ish in with its message.

What do you think about earth being in the game, how should it be implemented?

Did you play the first two games? The whole theme of the series has been "humans are friggin' awesome!" It took humans 40 years to become a galactic power that outshines species that have had mass effect technology for over a thousand years. Then humans not only discovered the Reapers but also saved the galaxy from two Reaper invasion plans. Now the Reapers, who have been around for millions of years and had just in the last cycle defeated the super advanced galaxy spanning Protheans, believe humans to be the pinnicle of evolution, at least in this cycle, and plan to honor humanity by making them into immortal machine gods.

The message is "YEAAAH HUMANITY!!!!" regardless of whether or not the Reapers win. If the Reapers lose then it's because humanity is so awesome that they did what countless other races failed to do. If the Reapers win, then humanity is worthy of becoming immortal machine gods that will rule the galaxy for all eternity.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 12 décembre 2010 - 11:37 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Jenova65 wrote...

I don't think it does kill the vibe really, but then I am from Nottingham (the one in England..... Robin Hood country) and grew up in a place where 15th century architecture sits next to modern day buildings it didn't remove the aesthetic of either because it was normal :-) And you only see a very small part of London in that trailer.....So who knows, eh?
Wouldn't do for us all to be alike though!

Yes, yes I do agree that some parts of London are/may be very futuristic in the ME universe and both old and new districts look good together Yes, we do only see a very small part of London in that trailer - but for now trailer is all that we see. Whether there are flying cars and gorgeous skyscrapers nearby or not, we can't be sure about them. And what we do see for sure is nowadays London.

royceclemens wrote...

They've been foreshadowing this since ninety minutes into the first game. See, that's what I don't get about the complaints.

There's a difference between hints that Collectors may target Earth and making Earth the focus of the whole game. We do hope that won't happen, though.

Because saving the Galaxy from Reaper invasion in ME1 > saving humanity from Collectors in ME2 > saving Earth in ME3.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

jon1991 wrote...

Humanity in the ME series have always been presented as being special, especially with their rapid advancement in the galactic community, so Earth as a destination makes perfect sense to me.

Reapers focus on Earth; Shepard rallies all the species in the Galaxy and the united fleet attacks Reapers. Wise on their part.

From strategical point of view it's much better to separate the races of the Galaxy first by shutting off the relays, for example (as the initial plan went). This way gathering a big fleet/army and attacking would be close to impossible for the races, and Reapers can take their time to reap planets one by one. It's not like humans (or other races) would be able to run from them.

So Bioware should better come up with a very good explanation.

And yes, saving Galaxy from something is less overused than saving Earth from something.

Still, I do hope for the best.

[Jenova65]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

I don't think it does kill the vibe really, but then I am from Nottingham (the one in England..... Robin Hood country) and grew up in a place where 15th century architecture sits next to modern day buildings it didn't remove the aesthetic of either because it was normal :-) And you only see a very small part of London in that trailer.....So who knows, eh?
Wouldn't do for us all to be alike though!

Yes, yes I do agree that some parts of London are/may be very futuristic in the ME universe and both old and new districts look good together Yes, we do only see a very small part of London in that trailer - but for now trailer is all that we see. Whether there are flying cars and gorgeous skyscrapers nearby or not, we can't be sure about them. And what we do see for sure is nowadays London.

royceclemens wrote...

They've been foreshadowing this since ninety minutes into the first game. See, that's what I don't get about the complaints.

There's a difference between hints that Collectors may target Earth and making Earth the focus of the whole game. We do hope that won't happen, though.

Because saving the Galaxy from Reaper invasion in ME1 > saving humanity from Collectors in ME2 > saving Earth in ME3.

Tantalising, isn't it................ 

[Immortanius]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

 It makes perfect sense that they're attacking Earth, and I think we're all getting way too worried that this game will revolve solely around humanity.

They showed Earth in a trailer to get us pumped up, to give us even more reason to fight the Reapers, and to attract new fans of the series. If they showed us Palaven being attacked, or Kahje, our gut response wouldn't be as extreme. Yet I'm willing to bet the Reapers are giving those planets the same treatment. Earth may be hit a little harder than the other planets at first--Shepard is human, and it's clear the Reapers have a serious grudge against him/her by now. That in no way, shape or form means we're going to see ME3 revolve just around humanity.

It's the debut trailer; it's more to get us excited than to lay out the plot in its entirety. Don't get too worried.

I second this. Well written sir, my thoughts exactly.

[Brijenieve]

Weskerr wrote...

Douglas wrote...

The Reapers in London are living on borrowed time,as soon as the local pubs run out of alcohol. Five million angry Scots will descend upon London like a plague of angry red haired locusts.

No one else thinks this is hilarious? Especially with Douglas' avatar picture.

Oh, I do. Best comment of the thread, imo. I lol'd. 
But yes, I'm with Immortanius and Cheese Enchilada on this one. It a) does make sense given who Shepard is, and was just a reveal trailer. We all know how bioware likes to toy with our minds... There's no telling, at this point, what their plan is. 

Modifié par Brijenieve, 13 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .