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[Elite Midget]

mrsph wrote...

They have no more of a chance than any other character since they can also die. The only character that can probably return with 99.9% certainty is Liara since she is the only character who is alive in everyone's save.

Not true. Every save must have a VS. Bioware tied the two characters together and their dialouge merges together after the VS event. They stopped being 'just' theirselves and now go by VS. There's no going around it. Bioware purposely did that so that the VS could appear and be used later.

Bioware didn't offer the same plot protection to any of the ME2 Zombies as VS or Liara who must survive in every save.

There's a reason I say VS and not Kaiden or Ashley.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

mrsph wrote...
They have no more of a chance than any other character since they can also die. The only character that can probably return with 99.9% certainty is Liara since she is the only character who is alive in everyone's save.

Actually, they do have a better chance.  Only one of them can die; the other is guaranteed to be alive.  And if ME2 is any indication, BioWare clearly isn't averse to giving them the exact same role as "The VS".

[Elite Midget]

Phaedon wrote...

Fact: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts"

Variables also don't exclude any squadmembers. Think of ME2, without the ability to ever recruit Garrus. What would change ?

Nothing. If he wasen't recruitable or killable I would support his inclusion into ME3. However, he's killable and recruitable in ME2. The killabnle part blew away any thoughts of supporting his inclusion since it means that not all fans would get to experience having him in their Squad in ME3.

I will support DLC for their returns but outside it? No way, Bioware needs to focus on better intergrating the Main plot unlike ME2 where they dropped the ball and intergrating the new Squaddies into the plot.

We still haven't gotten a Batarian and there are other races out there that haven't been represented and could be key in the war against the Reapers.

[Phaedon]

Elite Midget wrote...
Nothing. If he wasen't recruitable or killable I would support his inclusion into ME3. However, he's killable and recruitable in ME2. The killabnle part blew away any thoughts of supporting his inclusion since it means that not all fans would get to experience having him in their Squad in ME3.

You misunderstood me. Imagine a character whose recruitment mission you can skip in ME2. He would just not be present in the rest of ME2, whereas everything, voice files, animations and other variables would be there, in case you recruited him.

ME3 can be designed like ME2 was, with all of the characters having their own dialogue, the ones who died would be just left out. No major variables change.

[Art3m]

Well, I personnally can't imagine Shep (BioWare) would just throw the crew out of window. How? I can explain it only if Shep after Suicide Mission goes on a vacation or something, so the crew will be dissmissed. And here you go, have to rush to recruit new ones.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I figure it'll be a mix of all of them. There'll probably be some new squadmates, some from ME2 and maybe even one or two from ME1 that didn't return in ME2. Whatever the case, I'm sure all of them will make an appearance in some fashion or another like they did in ME2.

It'd be interesting if they brought Ashley or Kaiden back, since you'd only have access to one of them depending on your ME1 playthrough.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[rinoe]

Phaedon wrote...

ME3 can be designed like ME2 was, with all of the characters having their own dialogue, the ones who died would be just left out. No major variables change.

This is it. The squaddies should be in the game for sake we have the save where all survived. Only then we could have fully experience the game. And that kind of approach make ppl to play again ME2, or buy ME2 if they didn't do it before.

[Elite Midget]

That would alienate those who just started with ME3 or those that lost Squadies. Not to mention it would be making content for stuff not everyone will ever see when Bioware can simply make a new Squad that every has to get and experience.

[Nizzemancer]

lazuli wrote...

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I sometimes wonder how they are gonna bring proper closure to the Garrus fans,Ashley fans,Kaidan fans,Liara fans,Miri fans,Thane fans,legion fans,Grunt fans,jack fans,and of course the Tali fans.But than I think of DAO and come to the conclusion that Bioware defintley has what it takes to bring closure to all of the important ME characters.

What about the Jacob fans?

Why is there an "s" at the end of that word?
J/K

[rinoe]

mrsph wrote...

If you intentionally kill a character off then chances you are you didn't really like that character and wouldn't give a crap about what that character would bring to Mass Effect 3 anyway.

And jumping into the third part of a trilogy and expecting to not be alienated is silly. Even if Mass Effect 3 is a standalone title new players are going to be confused about what is going on, or who the VS survivor is or why Liara knows you.

If they will like the game, they will buy ME1 and ME2 and they will not be confused anymore:)))
And, what was said before, for new players all is new, no matter new members or old members)))
So, all of them will stay:)))

[Elite Midget]

They still shouldn't be punished in ME3 when it comes to gameplay and max Squad size just because they lost some ME2 Squadies. Hell, Bioware needed to release a 'guide' for the Suicide Mission because many didn't have the common sense to put two and two together in how to keep everyone alive.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:21 .

[rinoe]

Elite Midget wrote...

They still shouldn't be punished in ME3 when it comes to gameplay and max Squad size just because they lost some ME2 Squadies. Hell, Bioware needed to release a 'guide' for the Suicide Mission because many didn't have the common sense to put two and two together in how to keep everyone alive.

They did.

If someone have not enough brain to make saves at least and check how to end the game perfectly, why you think they shouldn't be punished? Every action have the reaction in the universe:)))

And if canon will be to have everyone, you will just have everyone starting new game in ME3.

BTW - what canon should be to start ME3 - that goes Wrex is dead....

[mander83]

Elite Midget wrote...

Bioware likes making new characters for new stories. As far as Bioware is concerning the ME2 Zombies had their spotlight in ME2 and thus were made killable to make way for even more new Squaddies in ME3 and their stories.

Why do you always insist on speaking for BioWare? I've seen you do this in more than one thread.

I'm not saying you're wrong- you have a good, solid theory. That's the thing though...its a theory. Meaning BioWare has yet to say anything official on the squad situation in ME3. Do you have good evidence? Yes. So do other people. BioWare does have a history of fixing things fans don't like. Most fans (from what I've seen here online and in speaking with others) would like at least some of the squad back. It isn't impossible to do.

When it comes down to it, feel free to share your theory on ME3. Just don't tell everyone it is a 100% truth. Unless you are being paid by BioWare to work on that game...you simply do not know what is going to happen.

I personally think we'll see a mix of new and old. Perhaps Kaidan/Ashley, Garrus, Tali, Miranda, and some new squadmates as well. I think this is probably the best of both worlds.

[lovgreno]

PMorgan18 wrote...

Of course I would be mad. But I'm not worried because it would be a horrible business decision and slap in the face to their fans. The moment the "no squadies from ME1 and ME2" would get leaked the whole fan base and anybody that has played the game will grab pitchforks and head to Edmonton.

Even worse actualy, the fans would take their money and go somewhere else. Also it means that BioWare doesn't deliver up to the high expectations they created for themselves wich means that future games with the BioWare label on them will carry a stigma and be less marketable.

But I'm not too worried. Returning, but possibly dead, squadmates would just be kind of like the squadmates you don't need to requit to finish ME2. If they are not there it wouldn't change much for the plot. New players and those who took the time and effort to save all in previous games get all possible squadmates. Those with a save including dead squadmates; too bad for you, replay it better if you want more squadmates.

Having all squadmates from previous games seems like a big job though so perhaps just the survivours from ME1 and some other fan favourites return.

[BigBody26]

It would be a terrible decision to not have any ME2 squadmates return in ME3. Bioware will have them come back...at least some of them. If they don't bring any of them back, then what was the point of loyalty missions? What was the point of caring if any of them survived. Personally, my original/canon playthrough I lost Grunt and Mordin and I was pissed that I lost them. It actually affected me that I lost 2 squad members. If I have to recruit an entirely new squad in ME3 then who gives a damn if they died?



If we have to recruit a whole new squad then so be it. I will still buy ME3 although I will feel let down by Bioware. Letting down fans is not something Bioware is well known for so I fully expect some squadmates to return. I could see some of them not returning....Jack and Zaeed come to mind.

[Barquiel]

lovgreno wrote...

Even worse actualy, the fans would take their money and go somewhere else.

Do you know one Wrex/Kaidan/Ashley/Liara fan who boycotts ME2 because his/her favorite has a cameo role?

[rinoe]

Barquiel wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Even worse actualy, the fans would take their money and go somewhere else.

Do you know one Wrex/Kaidan/Ashley/Liara fan who boycotts ME2 because his/her favorite has a cameo role?

You have Liara, Wrex - this is sad mistake, was one of my favourite, but,,, it was ME2, fans still waiting for ME3. Remember, you could stay loyal to your LI from ME1. Bioware said it will have consequences in ME3.

Ad ME3 is the last of the serie. Must be awesome. What is the point of make the fans disapionted and angry?

[BigBody26]

LiamN7 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Even worse actualy, the fans would take their money and go somewhere else.

Do you know one Wrex/Kaidan/Ashley/Liara fan who boycotts ME2 because his/her favorite has a cameo role?

If I had known more about how Ash was treated in ME2 I might not have bought it. I knew she wasn't gonna be on the squad but didn't have an idea how short Ash's role would be. So I bought me2 hopeing for a good role. I was not happy. I played it a few times. I haven't played since March. I have no plans to play it again. I would love a refund but I know that wont happen.

Ash/Kaidan will be in ME3.  Of this, I have no doubt. 

[Barquiel]

mrsph wrote...

I actually do remember people being in a huff about Ash/Kaidan/Liara not returning. Now magnify that 100 times fold if a hugely popular character like Garrus isn't returning.

Wrex was the most popular character in ME1. Liara was well liked as well.

[Pepper4]

I will.

If Tali isn't returning... These forums will collapse under the rage of the Tali menaces.

Modifié par Pepper4, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:02 .