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[AdmiralCheez]

FRSHPRNFILL wrote...

Learning's fun.

Isn't it, though?

I was going to respond to his whole post, but it looks like the masses beat me to it.  No sense beating a dead horse.

[lovgreno]

FRSHPRNFILL wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Funny, you call me a fanboy yet you deny it when you're called him? Oh the irony.

Dude.  I'm a girl.  Fangirl.  I am female.  I have ovaries, a uterus, and boobies.  I didn't deny anything, especially not the extent of my fandom.  Hell, I have a Mass Effect poster hanging on my wall!  You just got my gender wrong.

Read next time.

Learning's fun.

Boy, girl, something in between... Such things doesn't matter much here on the internets. What is important however is that there are a lot of fanboys/girls/whatever who realy want BioWare to deliver a final wich includes our favourites from the past games. It also seems that a majority think BioWare can do this if they take their time with it.

[AdmiralCheez]

lovgreno wrote...

Boy, girl, something in between... Such things doesn't matter much here on the internets. What is important however is that there are a lot of fanboys/girls/whatever who realy want BioWare to deliver a final wich includes our favourites from the past games. It also seems that a majority think BioWare can do this if they take their time with it.

Agreed completely.

I just don't like being called a hypocrite.  He took a humorous clarification as a denail :c

[DragonShepard138]

Too many people to continue the story with, plus I'm sure we'll be getting new squadmates. We'll probably get to keep a few of them.

[LordHelfort]

I figure grabbing ME 1 + ME 2's squad is a reasonable idea because, why go to the effort of making brand new characters (and turn ME2 into a giant waste of time) if they are not going to be useful? Some people make valid points about certain figures, such as Samara, but then theres no reason Shepard couldnt draft her again when the **** hits the fan.



Personally I got the impression from the last scene post-Collector Base assault that the team was locked and loaded and sticking around. Even Justicars change their mind (perhaps Samara decided that teaching kindness should start with Reapers first and Omega second!).

[lovgreno]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I just don't like being called a hypocrite.  He took a humorous clarification as a denail :c

Fully understandable. Yeah that was kind of a odd conclusion...

[lovgreno]

rinoe wrote...
And if canon will be to have everyone, you will just have everyone starting new game in ME3.

BTW - what canon should be to start ME3 - that goes Wrex is dead....

There could even be several alternative default starting Shepards in ME3 instead of just one as in ME2.  If you want Wrex along (and many potential buyers do) just choose default start one where he is alive, if not, choose default two where he is dead. That way you don't risk to alienate new players over that detail.

[Merlin 47]

Mad? No....I'd be more than mad if they did that. I've come to like the crew I have in ME 2 and want to see them all return. I'd like Liara back and I know that getting Wrex back really isn't probably going to happen.

[Rhaigun]

I wouldn't really be upset if they weren't in my party, but they have to play some sort of role in the game.

[NathanKlo]

I don't think I'll be too upset. Maybe I kill my whole family or cousins but not mad enough to wipe out the whole city.

[Spornicus]

Since any squadmate from ME2 can die, it'd be hard to bring them all back to fulfill a certain role, especially if you only had a few surviving. Plus, I want to see new squadmates.

[Astalder]

Many of those characters I wouldn't expect to be in ME3, dead or alive. Thane, Jack, Grunt, Samara... all have a temporary alliance with Shepard.

[The Tizminator]

I think Garrus & Tali will probably be squad members. It's only right they follow you to the end.



I'd also like to see Ashley & Wrex return to the squad.

Would also like to see Kelly Chambers in a bigger role, or as a squad member, she made me laugh !

I think there should only be a couple of new squad members at most.

It wouldn't make much sense to have all these existing characters with complex backgrounds & their loyalty to Shepard, just to see them relegated to cameos.



In short. Characters I'd like to see return as squad members in ME3:



Ashley

Garrus

Tali

Miranda

Legion

Grunt and/or Wrex - Gotta have a Krogan !



Big problem for Bioware making ME2 characters return as squad mates depends on how you finished ME2.

[Aglazzboi]

20 member crew **** it. This is Mass Effect 3. Aint no sense of Bioware cutting short. They are creative enough to expand on me1/me2 crew mates or to fill the gaps with new ones if they died in your playthrough. All im asking for is a chance for Urdnot Wrex and Grunt to lead the krogans with me. Zaaed cant spend money if the reapers wipe out everybody. For Thane,(spoilers) it wont matter, unless you romance jack, she probably doesnt care, Mordin the smartest alien ever lol, hes been working on something. Samara has her code, but she probably will help shepard after the outcome of her loyalty mission. Kasumi really has no world changing thing going on. I jus dont see the reason besides death I cant have both my old crews.

[lovgreno]

Aglazzboi wrote...They are creative enough to expand on me1/me2 crew mates or to fill the gaps with new ones if they died in your playthrough.

Why should those who got squadmembers killed get anything instead? All availiable squadmembers from previous games should be a reward for those who took the time and effort to keep everyone, including Wrex, alive. If you miss someone because you got them killed, replay the two first games better.

[Bamboozalist]

I seriously don't understand where these assumptions that the ME2 cast will be removed are even coming from.

Bioware has said that because ME3 is the end of Shepard's story they don't have to worry about how it will tie into the next game, they have also said that there will be 1000* different outcomes, a number that is probably HIGHLY exaggerated.

I fully expect EVERYONE from ME1 and 2 to be either a squad mate or an active player in the plot. The entire point of ME2 was preparing humanity to fight the reapers, I know people like to marginalize it and say it's just the collector base, but it's not. It is made clear that you are building a team to stop the collectors and the true threat behind them, it's a package deal. In fact not only will you probably keep your ME2 team but have it grow in size. And no this does not mean character interaction would suffer. For ME2 they had to completely overhaul the game, for ME3 they're just tweaking it (I could be wrong, that's how I interpreted it, especially with the fast release time) meaning that all the time spent on that can be focused on the plot and characters.

As for returning characters and why they would "leave" after ME2. This is my speculation based on ME2.

ME1

Wrex - as much as I love Wrex he will probably not be a squad member, his role in unifying the Krogan is too important. I expect him to be heavily involved in the plot but not playable. Probably will start automatically committed to helping Shepard fight the Reapers. Possible tension with Rachni involvement.

Liara - role as the shadow broker is much too important. Same boat as Wrex, plot important non playable.

Kaiden/Ashley - Will probably rejoin Shep and help him/her build alliances.

Garrus - Garrus is Shepard's de-facto second in command regardless of what Miranda says, Garrus will probably be a key figure in rallying Turian support but he probably won't leave to do it especially.

Tali - If you got her exiled/cleared with no evidence will probably remain with Shepard and use her contacts to rally the Quarians, if you used the evidence she will probably return to the fleet to be an Admiral or something.

As to why I don't see Garrus leaving to "rally support" .Garrus on his own has no real standing, I can see him rallying support with Shepard's help but on his own he's just that Turian who quit C-Sec/Got rejected for being a specter. Badass or not politically he's got nothing.

ME2

DLC First

Zaeed - I see him staying if you killed Vito, he owes you a lot more than the collector base and he seems genuinely interested in the situation even with it being "above his pay-grade" If you didn't kill Vito he leaves to get revenge, but he may even stay since Liara is the SB and can provide him with the intel he needs on Vito. (Possible Blue Sun/Mercenary Support)

Kasumi - If loyal she owes you and I see no reason for her to leave especially with the gray box plot

Main.

Jacob/Miranda - Quit Cerberus with you, want to stop the reapers, stick with you till the end

Grunt -  Battlemaster. Nuff said.

Samara - If you treat her nicely she stays to "see it through till the end"

Morinth - The only character with literally no reason to stick around in any situation

Jack - If you're her friend/LI sticks around, if not I can see her going

Legion - Talk of him leaving to rally the Geth is one of the most retarded things I have ever seen. Him physically being there DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING since Geth deal with data as long as Legion can transmit he could get you an entire fleet while Joker did corkscrews around Uranus for six hours. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a loyal legion to leave. I could see a disloyal legion leaving because his "study" is complete but even that's a stretch.

Mordin/Thane - If these two are alive they'd be back. Mordin has the genophage data and has no reason to leave, he's got his lab, data to study, and seems happy. Thane even if he isn't an LI owes Shepard for his son, also even without LI you can get Thane to be more open towards wanting to live.

As for New Squad mates

Want to seriously see but will never happen because Bioware just isn't that awesome

Elcor w/ correct shoulder mounted weaponry
Recruit-able Volas who DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in combat other than hide in a corner
Hanar, not Blasto, but a Hanar doctor or something, like Mordin but instead of spamming tech abilities it spams Medi-Gel.

Will Probably Happen

Ben Sniper
Rachni?

To be perfectly honest I expect ME3 to be a rehash of ME2 but with recruiting allies against the reapers, I also expect it to have a dynamic plot with permanent consequences like Virmine, recruit one group, alienate another, ect... That is if Bioware lives up to their promises.

TL;DR - There is no reason beyond Budget/Time restrictions for your ME1 and ME2 parties to not only return but also have new additions.

[Orion55]

^ Great Post.

[omgitztommy3]

The ideal squadmate situation for my Mass Effect 3 would be if they went the route of Marvel:Ultimate Alliance and had a fairly large(doesn't need to be all) group of squadmates to choose from, from both games. There should also be a good amount of characters that are in the ME universe already(Kai Leng plz?), and some new characters. This would definitely help out the multiplayer aspect of the game if there is one.

[Funker Shepard]

Bamboozalist has a lot of good points. What I feel compelled to point out is that the extensive squad building nature of ME2 would be kind of a disappointment, if it really was for just that one mission, no matter how epic. The ME2 squadmates need to have an important role as Shepard's henchmen, at least, if not fullblown squadmembers - I'm thinking of the way LotSB uses and sets up Liara...

Also, they might pull a page from DA2's book, and not have a set squad for the whole game, teammates might be available/unavailable depending on the current status of the plot (even if they are, in theory available, ie. not dead.)

Modifié par Funker Shepard, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[Barquiel]

lovgreno wrote...

So it would be a misstake to do the same misstake twice.

It wasn't a mistake.

- Wrex and (to a lesser extent) Liara were fan favorites in ME1.
- cameo role in ME2
- ME2 sold well (I suppose) and received widespread critical acclaim.

BW has no reason to change the formula.

[Wittand25]

Do all of you that want the whole team back even consider the problems that creates?



First and most important: What will you talk about with the team members? They ran out of interesting dialog even halfway through ME2. If they stay with Sheppard the whole time they won’t have anything new to talk about. Producing new personal problems for all of them to talk about would feel extremely forced and the fact that they can nearly all die makes clear that with the exception of Liara and the VS they cannot have plot important dialog either.

Second resource management: making all the team members return requires new models for each, writing for all of them and all their possible conditions throughout the whole game and designing a power set for all of them that is balanced if you have only two random survivors, Liara and the VS and not redundant if you have the whole fifteen former squad mates return.



Bioware has now two options:

A.) ME3 has a new team and this is announced before summer, so that the unavoidable complains have died down until the release. As long as ME3 offers conclusion for the former team members and Sheppard it will be well received by pretty much everyone but the most hardcore fans of an NPC.

B.)They listen to the character fanboys/girls here on the forum and release the game with all former squad mates recruitable and with a personality similar to the team members of BG1. Something that would upset critics, normal fans of the game and once the fanboys find out that their favorite NPC is now a shadow of himself and stuck in "cleaning the engines" mode for the whole game even the fanboys.

It seems an easy decision for me.

[Bamboozalist]

Wittand25 wrote...

Do all of you that want the whole team back even consider the problems that creates?

First and most important: What will you talk about with the team members? They ran out of interesting dialog even halfway through ME2. If they stay with Sheppard the whole time they won’t have anything new to talk about. Producing new personal problems for all of them to talk about would feel extremely forced and the fact that they can nearly all die makes clear that with the exception of Liara and the VS they cannot have plot important dialog either.
Second resource management: making all the team members return requires new models for each, writing for all of them and all their possible conditions throughout the whole game and designing a power set for all of them that is balanced if you have only two random survivors, Liara and the VS and not redundant if you have the whole fifteen former squad mates return.

Bioware has now two options:
A.) ME3 has a new team and this is announced before summer, so that the unavoidable complains have died down until the release. As long as ME3 offers conclusion for the former team members and Sheppard it will be well received by pretty much everyone but the most hardcore fans of an NPC.
B.)They listen to the character fanboys/girls here on the forum and release the game with all former squad mates recruitable and with a personality similar to the team members of BG1. Something that would upset critics, normal fans of the game and once the fanboys find out that their favorite NPC is now a shadow of himself and stuck in "cleaning the engines" mode for the whole game even the fanboys.
It seems an easy decision for me.

1. Promote that players actions are going to have a real effect on the overall flow and outcome of the story
2. Focus an ENTIRE GAME on building a team of unique characters
3. Say that Mass Effect 3 will show the full results of your choices and wrap up Shepard's story with many different outcomes so that you can actually see your choices come into full effect.
4. Throw all that out the window along in favor of a new team with no connection that we have to magically gather up while trying to rally support against the reapers and ignoring all the unexplored characterization found in the shadow brokers files that would provide more than enough dialogue/side material (Miranda's desire to get pregnant/Garrus' mom having Space Cancer and his poor relationship with his sister/The possible cure for Thane's illness/ect...)

LOGIC!

Bioware does have two options

1. Follow through with their inventive trilogy and truly show that they are committed and talented enough to pull of a final installment to all these unique and interesting characters with ample mound of material that they have to pull from.
2. Cop out because it would be too hard.

Yeah the choice is easy.

Also your squadmates ran out of stuff to say because if they weren't your LI they magically decided that friends aren't allowed to have conversations.

[Wittand25]

Bamboozalist wrote...
1. Promote that players actions are going to have a real effect on the overall flow and outcome of the story

"In order to fully enjoy the game you need to play two older games for dozens of hours." Now that is efficient marketing.

2. Focus an ENTIRE GAME on building a team of unique characters

For a mission that takes place at the end of the game and several of those characters have no reason to stay after that mission.

3. Say that Mass Effect 3 will show the full results of your choices and wrap up Shepard's story with many different outcomes so that you can actually see your choices come into full effect.

That does not require wasting the resources on making all the old NPCs return as squad mates. In fact having them as cameos makes them potentially more important. E.g. it is only possible to get both Quarians and Geth if both Tali and Legion are alive and work as ambassadors for Sheppard to convince their races.

4. Throw all that out the window along in favor of a new team with no connection that we have to magically gather up while trying to rally support against the reapers and ignoring all the unexplored characterization found in the shadow brokers files that would provide more than enough dialogue/side material (Miranda's desire to get pregnant/Garrus' mom having Space Cancer and his poor relationship with his sister/The possible cure for Thane's illness/ect...)

Not every player has the DLC and a storyline on getting Miranda pregnant while you are preparing for the final confrontation seem extremely out of place. While a new team offers a new point of view on the universe, new and interesting things to learn...

LOGIC!
Bioware does have two options

1. Follow through with their inventive trilogy and truly show that they are committed and talented enough to pull of a final installment to all these unique and interesting characters with ample mound of material that they have to pull from.
2. Cop out because it would be too hard.

Bend over backwards to create fanservice for a vocal minority that will complain anyway
or
Show that they are intelligent and skilled enough to create a excellent game that is able to stand alone ( as it was announced )

Also your squadmates ran out of stuff to say because if they weren't your LI they magically decided that friends aren't allowed to have conversations.

And because there are too many of them, the amount of dialog of one companion has is indirectly proportional to the number of companions. The more companions you have the less they talk with you or each other.

Modifié par Wittand25, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[BowlerBen]

They'll be split teams actually. all over London, but that's if it's only set in London only.