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[Funker Shepard]

Bamboozalist wrote...
1. Follow through with their inventive trilogy and truly show that they are committed and talented enough to pull of a final installment to all these unique and interesting characters with ample mound of material that they have to pull from.
2. Cop out because it would be too hard.

This is pretty much what I've been saying since ME2 came out. I think that the info released from their data-mining a while back would give them the foundation needed for going through with 1 (the major chunk of people who imported ME1 characters), but we'll see how far their ambition stretches.

Also echo what was said re: new plot hooks in Shadow Broker. Plenty to keep going on.

[rinoe]

Bamboozalist wrote..
Also your squadmates ran out of stuff to say because if they weren't your LI they magically decided that friends aren't allowed to have conversations.

TRUE , true and nothing 'bout the true.
I hope it will change in ME3. A lot of ppl have that hope.

And...
The question was : ' if we will be mad',  not 'if ve belive or not...'
So, my answer is YES.
About the other question - I do not belive that Bioware remove our team from ME3.

The third problem is: Why we talk about this?
And I think is the main problem.  - We talk about this bcs we are scared. Scared that our favorite game, something special for us, become something we do not want... or just something below our expectation.
And that wuld be disaster, bcs this is the end, there is no ME4 to wait for, when the story could end properly... This is all we have and we will not get anything more.

And the fear has its basics - We do not have Wrex in ME2, we do not have Ash or Kaidan. Our crew do not talk with us, some element we like ( for me was MAKO and planet exploration, which gives me the impresion of freedom, and the size of the universe) was removed from the game....
What I fear the most - the game become a shooter.
They cerate something special, different. There is no other game like this. I hope they will keep it like taht and
improve this. Not become one of the crowd on the shooters market....

We cerate forums topics and talk a lot, to show Bioware what we want, and there is hope they will listen.
I have that hope.

[shumworld]

I remember someone else mention this idea before so I can't take credit for it. For most characters like Wrex and Liara. I don't see them coming back as squadmates. However I do see them become avaialable for a personal mission.

Example:
Wrex/Wreav calls you to ask for your help on Tuchanka. When you meet up with Wrex/Wreav he'll say something like "I'll join you in this mission". Boom you get to have Wrex/Wreav as a temp squadmate.

Samething with Liara. She found some interesting information that she'd like to do further investigation on. So she calls up Shepard. Shep travels deep into a secret location in Illium. She tells you that she'd like to acompany you. Bam she's a tempt squadmate just like in LOTSB.

The list goes on for squadys you feel are too busy to join you.

[Encarmine]

Im one of the rare people that wont care if I dont have a single ME1/2 squadmate, as long as they explain why in a cool cinematic way.

[PraetorianGuard]

The problem with all the squadmates in ME3 is that many of them can die in ME2. There is too many variables and I foresee Bioware scrapping them all.

[diakrite]

Nah.. I'd buy it anyway. Kotor 2 had a completely different cast from KOTOR1 and was still as enjoyable to me. To be honest here, KOTOR 2 was a completely different game, with only some mentioning of Revan, etc. I would like to keep Garrus, Tali and Kazumi though. Kazumi for her "happy-go-lucky" attitude and Tali..yeah..ehrrm:wub: I am not totally unbiased here.. Garrus  should be more about comic relief here&there. "Tell me about Your immunity deficiency again?"----"I have a shotgun"-----"Hmm, maybe another time":lol: I can imagine Garrus going all Duke-Nukem: "I'm here to kick bum, and chew red nuts, and I am all out of red nuts..." and: "oooh that's gotta hurt"
Buuut.. ME being a true trilogy, I know there will be a certain nucleus of characters available, maybe even depending on what ME-2 DLC one has bought. Could be a scripting-nightmare though, I admit.

Either way, I wouldn't be mad. 'C mon...it's Mass Effect 3 ...what more could I want?

Modifié par diakrite, 15 décembre 2010 - 03:17 .

[Matt VT Schlo]

Considering ME 2 was one giant crew gathering mission, hell yeah I'd be mad if ME3 was like that again?



ME 2 didnt feel like a complete game; it suffered from middle child trilogy syndrome

[Elite Midget]

The Crew Gathering Mission was to Stop the Collectors not the Reapers. Hell, characters lilke Samara, Zaeed, Kasumi, Thane, and even Subject Zero state that they 'will' leave you when they're done with the Collectors. Than there are the 'many' hints that Bioware dropped in ME2 that gave you a picture on why the other squaddies will leave you. From Garrus reaching his full potiential by leaving Shepard to Grunt going to Tuchunka.



None is going to sit around for a couple years doing nothing when Bioware can have them do more good on the sidelines. Having them all killable is just a 'convient' excuse to force them all off so you can get a new Team.

[lovgreno]

Funker Shepard wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...
1. Follow through with their inventive trilogy and truly show that they are committed and talented enough to pull of a final installment to all these unique and interesting characters with ample mound of material that they have to pull from.
2. Cop out because it would be too hard.

This is pretty much what I've been saying since ME2 came out. I think that the info released from their data-mining a while back would give them the foundation needed for going through with 1 (the major chunk of people who imported ME1 characters), but we'll see how far their ambition stretches.

Also echo what was said re: new plot hooks in Shadow Broker. Plenty to keep going on.

BioWare have the opportunity to make something that could rival Star Wars or Star Trek here. Major profit over decades to come in other words. At most it might take them a few more months making the game to give old possibly dead teammates a role similar to those squadmembers you didn't have to requit to finish ME2. Creating new characters from scratch to replace the proven sucesses of the previous games might actualy take even more time and effort and could just as well fail to become popular enough to sell the game anyway.

[Elite Midget]

Not really. Bioware had 'many' variables for the ME2 Zombies. It would take far longer to compensate for every single one of those variables when they can just focus on making ME3 Squaddies that are intergrated into the story.



As we all know ME3 has been in the works for a good while and the trailer was a huge hint that Shepard is alone again and must get new Squaddies. After all, if the Squaddies 'were' returning than why have Shepard looking out on Earth by himself instead of having the crew gathered and ready to launch out?



Simple, Shepard gets a new team and I bet you the guy in the trailer is one of the new Squaddies/LIs.

[Harshalv]

Lets see.

From Mass Effect 1

Garrus - Skip to Mass Effect 2
Tali - Skip to Mass Effect 2
Wrex - We'll see him return in ME3 but probable that he might be leading krogan army into battle.
Williams/Kaiden - Not sure with them either being in squad. But they were promoted in ME2 as part of the heroic group who saved the citadel. Probably lead or fight besides Alliance.
Liara - Since she became the new Shadow broker, I'm doubting that she will return as squadmate in ME3. However, she may play an important role in ME3.

From Mass Effect 2.

Garrus - Most definitely will be with Shepard in ME3 since he is one of the closest friend of Shepard.
Tali - Mostly will lead quarians to help aid Shepard with the battle against Repears. Again long time friend/lover of Shepard.
Mordin - Personally, I'd love to see him again besides shepard in ME3.
Legion - Lead the geth to fight against Repears. Doubting about his presence as squadmate in ME3
Thane - Probably die before the attack since he was already suffering from Kepral's Syndrome in ME2.
Samara - Can be dismissed as a potential contender of being a squad mate in ME3.
Miranda - Can be dismissed as a potential contender of being a squadmate in ME3.
Jacob - Can be dismissed as a potential contender of being a squadmate in ME3.
Grunt - 2nd in command of Krogan (Wrex leading) army for the war against reapers.
Jack - Can be dismissed as a potential contender of being a squadmate in ME3.

There is my list. Please don't bash me if I've left your most loved character out of the list. It is just my assumptions on who will be squadmates.

All in all, I'm looking at Garrus, Tali, Mordin. Wrex, Legion and Liara to be large part of ME3 but skeptical of their presence as squad mates.

Modifié par Harshalv, 15 décembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[schneeland]

Elite Midget wrote...

[...]
Simple, Shepard gets a new team and I bet you the guy in the trailer is one of the new Squaddies/LIs.

While this reasoning is quite straightforward (expect for the your irritation repetition of the word "zombie"), there is a simple reason why Bioware may think different: money.

Especially under the reign of EA, I am pretty sure that Bioware is inclined to get as much out of ME 3 as they can (not meant negatively. I think it is fair to make good profits with a good game). Thus, they will possibly try to get as many people interested in the game as they can - both old and new fans. Also, they have all that data they collected in-game.
And that is, if not for any other reason, I believe that we will see most of the popular characters of the past games as squad mates again, i.e. at least Garrus and Tali and possibly also Miranda (although I am puzzled why anybody would like that genetically engineering puppet with self-esteem issues).

After all: Can you imagine Star Wars without Han Solo and Chewbakka? Some of our former squad mates just have such an important role for most fans that I don't think, there is much additional effort making them into squad mates. And yes, they can be dead, but you can always either start with new ME3 game or replay ME1/ME2 if you don't like to be without that characters.

I do, however, agree that we are quite likely to see a significant number of newcomers in ME 3. Maybe some more humans for our crew, maybe not - that is entirely left to the creativity of our friends over there at Bioware.

[lovgreno]

schneeland wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

[...]
Simple, Shepard gets a new team and I bet you the guy in the trailer is one of the new Squaddies/LIs.

While this reasoning is quite straightforward (expect for the your irritation repetition of the word "zombie"), there is a simple reason why Bioware may think different: money.

Exactly. Popular characters like Wrex, Garrus and Tali would be great to use in commercials as they are already well known and proven to be popular. In buisness it's much more popular to bet on safer tried things like already established characters than to try new unproven things like new squadmates. To have faces like popular old squadmates that many recognise to back up their product is something most people in marketing can only dream of. So why should BioWare waste this huge opportunity just to have the game availiable (at most) a few months earlier?

[Barquiel]

schneeland wrote...


And that is, if not for any other reason, I believe that we will see most of the popular characters of the past games as squad mates again, i.e. at least Garrus and Tali and possibly also Miranda (although I am puzzled why anybody would like that genetically engineering puppet with self-esteem issues).

Do you really think they tell the fans that...

"We have evaluated our statistics and Garrus was the most popular LI. He returns as a squadmate. Good for you, Garrus fans...you chose the right LI and your Shep has romance content in ME3.
Thane: second place...a cool cameo role for your favorite Drell
Unfortunately, Jacob wasn't very popular. Okay, Jacobmancers get an email!"

I think that would be the safest way to scare a significant part of the fanbase away.

[schneeland]

Barquiel wrote...
Do you really think they tell the fans that...

"We have evaluated our statistics and Garrus was the most popular LI. He returns as a squadmate. Good for you, Garrus fans...you chose the right LI and your Shep has romance content in ME3.
Thane: second place...a cool cameo role for your favorite Drell
Unfortunately, Jacob wasn't very popular. Okay, Jacobmancers get an email!"

I think that would be the safest way to scare a significant part of the fanbase away.

No. I don't think, they will tell us

Otherwise, yes (at least partly) - bringing back the most popular characters ensures that you make a large portion of your fanbase happy. If you can satisfy 90% of your fan base with four characters, but you only get another percent for each of the remaining characters, then going with the four seems a reasonable economic decision for me.

I do think, they will also look at story consistency and other things, but as game development gets more and more expensive, I believe that economical factors strongly influence the development choices.

[-Skorpious-]

Barquiel wrote...

schneeland wrote...


And that is, if not for any other reason, I believe that we will see most of the popular characters of the past games as squad mates again, i.e. at least Garrus and Tali and possibly also Miranda (although I am puzzled why anybody would like that genetically engineering puppet with self-esteem issues).

Do you really think they tell the fans that...

"We have evaluated our statistics and Garrus was the most popular LI. He returns as a squadmate. Good for you, Garrus fans...you chose the right LI and your Shep has romance content in ME3.
Thane: second place...a cool cameo role for your favorite Drell
Unfortunately, Jacob wasn't very popular. Okay, Jacobmancers get an email!"

I think that would be the safest way to scare a significant part of the fanbase away.

If LotSB is any indication, Liara is not likely to return as a squadmate. However, Bioware already stated their intention to Liara fans to bring the romance to a conclusion. Plus, look at Kelly; she is an example of an NPC character who is a potential LI for Shepard.

While some fans may feel slighted if Garrus is included instead of their favorite character, but wouldn't it be better to have some ME/ME2 characters return instead of none of them? The other LI's aren't going away, but some (like Thane's sickness) may prevent them from helping Shepard as an extra gun on the field.

[Bebbe777]

Squaddie that must return no matter what...Garrus Vakarian

Modifié par Bebbe777, 15 décembre 2010 - 04:50 .

[samuraix87]

from Game Informer #204 page 24



they ask certain party members from the 1st game can be recruited in ME2. Does that mean we'll see characters from ME2 return in ME3?



casey hudson anwsers- you'll definitly be able to see characters from ME2 in ME3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. its a challenge for sure, but its also going to payoff for players of the ME trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and story lines started by the first 2 games.



i hope that anwsers some questions

[Barquiel]

-Skorpious- wrote...

If LotSB is any indication, Liara is not likely to return as a squadmate. However, Bioware already stated their intention to Liara fans to bring the romance to a conclusion. Plus, look at Kelly; she is an example of an NPC character who is a potential LI for Shepard.

While some fans may feel slighted if Garrus is included instead of their favorite character, but wouldn't it be better to have some ME/ME2 characters return instead of none of them? The other LI's aren't going away, but some (like Thane's sickness) may prevent them from helping Shepard as an extra gun on the field.

No, I think it wouldn't be better.

I wouldn't be mad if all ME1/2 squaddies have good cameo roles (it's what I'm expecting)
Of course, I wouldn't be mad if all ME1/2 squaddies return (I "lost" the characters I dislike)

But I would be mad if I get an "Illium" cameo with Liara, and Miranda is a full-fledged squadmate with romance content.

Modifié par Barquiel, 15 décembre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Aurica]

You are still going to buy it regardless if any squaddies come back or not.  Cos this is the story about Shepard, YOUR SHEPARD, YOUR final chapter in this epic 3 part saga.  Or so to speak...

[syllogi]

samuraix87 wrote...

from Game Informer #204 page 24

they ask certain party members from the 1st game can be recruited in ME2. Does that mean we'll see characters from ME2 return in ME3?

casey hudson anwsers- you'll definitly be able to see characters from ME2 in ME3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. its a challenge for sure, but its also going to payoff for players of the ME trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and story lines started by the first 2 games.

i hope that anwsers some questions

This just means that they intend to continue the character's storylines -- which is possible even when they are not squadmates.

I don't necessarily believe that we are getting an entirely new crew, but I wouldn't count on *anyone* from the first two games being squadmates, much less all of them.  Some may make the cut, but the rest will have cameo roles, if they appear at all.

[Nozybidaj]

Bamboozalist wrote...

Follow through with their inventive trilogy

The trilogy aspect is already pretty much out the window since the first and the second parts have nothing to do with each other. It can still be a three part series sure, but the concept of an overarching story that ties the whole thing together went out the window with "lolz techincally i'm undead" and "zomg this hurts you".



That said they can either bring in a whole new crew that can be woven into the story and ****** folks off or try and cram every old member into the game and have the whole thing end up very shallow due to sheer numbers and ****** folks off. Either way they already dug themselves the hole with ME2 only question is which position do they choose to lie in it.

[-Skorpious-]

Barquiel wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

If LotSB is any indication, Liara is not likely to return as a squadmate. However, Bioware already stated their intention to Liara fans to bring the romance to a conclusion. Plus, look at Kelly; she is an example of an NPC character who is a potential LI for Shepard.

While some fans may feel slighted if Garrus is included instead of their favorite character, but wouldn't it be better to have some ME/ME2 characters return instead of none of them? The other LI's aren't going away, but some (like Thane's sickness) may prevent them from helping Shepard as an extra gun on the field.

No, I think it wouldn't be better.

I wouldn't be mad if all ME1/2 squaddies have good cameo roles (it's what I'm expecting)
Of course, I wouldn't be mad if all ME1/2 squaddies return (I "lost" the characters I dislike)

But I would be mad if I get an "Illium" cameo with Liara, and Miranda is a full-fledged squadmate with romance content.

So if your favorite character doesn't come back then nobody should at all? That seems...childish to me.

[samuraix87]

i have an idea how about we wait till we get our first post suicide mission dlc to see if some squadies have left shepard or not