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[Elite Midget]

schneeland wrote...

If you mind reading your texts again, you may notice that your outright aggresive attitude works to the detriment of your arguments. There are actually people who care for a certain politeness, even on the internet.

So, all the best, Sir. I will leave this stage for a while.

Being polite to those that are clouded by a mist of fanboyism and fanaticism for dead Squaddies isn't going to do me any favors. I can be the politest poster around and it would have a far less effect than being blunt and to the point as well as presenting cold hard 'facts' so that they can prepare themselves so that they aren't disapointed when ME3 hits and we get a new Squad.

[lovgreno]

Elite Midget wrote...
And that's a fact back by facts presented by Bioware and called out by me.

No facts about ME3 are confirmed untill the game comes out so untill then all we have are guesses and opinions. Sure you are allowed to have the opinion that there will probably not be any returning squadmates. However a opinion is not a fact.

[DJBare]

I certainly don't want the dead squadies back, they are dead because that's how I play the story, but would definitely like to see the surviving members as squadies in ME3, Garrus and Tali definitely.

[Bamboozalist]

I seriously don't even understand where opposition like elite midget's logic is even coming from. Bioware has said that your decisions in ME1 and ME2 especially in regards to who you let live and die will impact 3, you like facts Midget THERE IS A FACT. They also spent a good majority of time building up the ME2 characters, giving you connections to them and with the bridging DLC adding new information about them in the shadow brokers files, fully showing that Bioware still has plenty of characterization left for them.

Removing former squad mates to go "rally" allies is not only horrible writing because like I said before with the exception of Grunt (if you killed the maw) and Tali NONE even Garrus of your squad mates have ANY political power other than being a lackey to Shepard, but would also be removing something Shepard is supposed to be doing.

If you want the ME2 squad mates not only do you have no faith in Bioware to follow through on their promises but you might as well put Uwe Boll in charge of ME3. Don't want to see someone in ME3? Kill them off in ME2. Never played ME1 or 2? Too bad IT'S A TRILOGY you don't start reading Return of the King without ever reading the first two books.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Wittand25]

mrsph wrote...

Using Awakening in your arguments is silly because Awakening was an expansion pack that was basically created as fast as possible to get some cash out of Dragon Age.

Dragon Age 2 is a separate story, with a separate protagonist, that will eventually take place in a separate land far away from where the Wardan was at. The old team not showing up is expected.

Yet several kill-able team-members got cameos in Awakening showing that Bioware did bother to get them back and it is also hinted that you will encounter some of the old team-members in DA2.

But it is one thing to bring back a voice actor for an optional cameo appearance that can be recorded in one session and another to record a full fledged squad-mate, which takes more than one session and is far more expensive.
And it is not the same if an squad-mate is optional within a game like several of the ME2 team were, or if the existence of a squad-mate depends on the player playing another game for 20+ hours. In the first case you get replaybility in the second case a bunch of anoyed players because it would basically Bioware declaring ME3 to be not a complete game and more of an big expansion to ME2.

[Bamboozalist]

The player's choices in the previous games are expected to have a
much
more significant impact on the plot than the choices in Mass Effect had
on Mass Effect 2. As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy,
the developers are not
constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also
continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that
diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions
in the first two chapters.

As with Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3 will allow the player to import
their save file from the previous game, carrying over their decisions
from both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, totaling over 1000 variables. As Mass Effect 3 will import decisions not just
from Mass Effect 2, but the original Mass Effect as well, some of the
player's decisions from Mass Effect that did not have impact in Mass
Effect 2 could potentially have an impact in Mass Effect 3.

That is what Casey Hudson said about ME3. That is provided Bioware keeps to their word and aren't a bunch of liars. So your squad is most likely going to be back especially since if they're loyal they have zero reason to leave. Everyone who said they're going to leave after the mission only says that before you get their loyalty and get to know them. They're not completely redoing the engine this time meaning that all of their work is going into atmosphere, minor tweaks, plot, and characters. Bioware has more than enough time and talent to pull off a 20 man squad.

Unfortunately vocal "majority" of people like Elite Midget who want to throw that out the window because inventive and creative story telling with hundreds of different outcomes for replayability, of not just ME3 but of the whole trilogy, is for losers.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:53 .

[Aglazzboi]

lovgreno wrote...

Aglazzboi wrote...They are creative enough to expand on me1/me2 crew mates or to fill the gaps with new ones if they died in your playthrough.

Why should those who got squadmembers killed get anything instead? All availiable squadmembers from previous games should be a reward for those who took the time and effort to keep everyone, including Wrex, alive. If you miss someone because you got them killed, replay the two first games better.

Im saying this beacause everybody doesnt like all the squad members from the first 2 games. But i do. I could care less if we see any new squad mates that is what im saying. You might of mistaken what i was trying to say. I play to keep everybody alive assuming that it will probably (and will) make difference in me3.

[Wittand25]

Bamboozalist wrote...
That is what Casey Hudson said about ME3. That is provided Bioware keeps to their word and aren't a bunch of liars. So your squad is most likely going to be back especially since if they're loyal they have zero reason to leave. Everyone who said they're going to leave after the mission only says that before you get their loyalty and get to know them. They're not completely redoing the engine this time meaning that all of their work is going into atmosphere, minor tweaks, plot, and characters. Bioware has more than enough time and talent to pull off a 20 man squad.

Unfortunately vocal "majority" of people like Elite Midget who want to throw that out the window because inventive and creative story telling with hundreds of different outcomes for replayability, of not just ME3 but of the whole trilogy, is for losers.

Show me where anyone from Bioware says that any squad-mate from the first two games will be a squad-mate in ME3. The thing you quoted does not say that and does not even hint at it. Liara and Wrex play an important role in Me2 yet they are not squad-mates.
There is also an indirect proportion between the number of squad-mates and the quality of said squad-mates, because they not only compete for resources during the making of the game but also for the time of the player while playing.
Having all of the teammates back is not really inventive or edgy or anything but blatant and unoriginal fan-service that most likely will look bad to everyone who is not a fan like reviewers, the biggest part of the customer base and everyone caring for a good plot and therefore will backfire for Bioware.

[samuraix87]

from Game Informer #204 page 24







they ask certain party members from the 1st game can be recruited in ME2. Does that mean we'll see characters from ME2 return in ME3?







casey hudson anwsers- you'll definitly be able to see characters from ME2 in ME3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. its a challenge for sure, but its also going to payoff for players of the ME trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and story lines started by the first 2 games.







i hope that anwsers some questions

[Funker Shepard]

samuraix87 wrote...
casey hudson anwsers- you'll definitly be able to see characters from ME2 in ME3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. its a challenge for sure, but its also going to payoff for players of the ME trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and story lines started by the first 2 games.

As a lawyer, I can admire that kind of non-answer answer. As a gamer, I'll just sigh deeply and realise that I'll have to wait a year to see, anyway, and even then stuff might get added via dlc.

[Wittand25]

samuraix87 wrote...

from Game Informer #204 page 24



they ask certain party members from the 1st game can be recruited in ME2. Does that mean we'll see characters from ME2 return in ME3?



casey hudson anwsers- you'll definitly be able to see characters from ME2 in ME3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. its a challenge for sure, but its also going to payoff for players of the ME trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and story lines started by the first 2 games.



i hope that anwsers some questions

Again you see Liara, Wrex, Ashlay, and Kaidan in ME2 if they survived ME1, yet none of them joins the squad in the vanilla game without DLC, ( and in the case of Wrex it is pretty clear that there will never be DLC that makes him a squad-mate even only temporary ) I wonder why people think the situation will be much different in ME3. Characters that are not part of the squad can still have important interactions with Sheppard and still get conclusion to their stories. And as non-party NPCs the ME2 squad-mates are easier to implement, use less resources, can have a bigger impact on the story than if they continue to stand around on board of the normandy and run of lower risk to drag down the overall quality of the game by spreading resources to thinly amongst to many team-members.

[Nozybidaj]

Bamboozalist wrote...

That is what Casey Hudson said about ME3.

Casey also said this when talking about the ME1 squad:

We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide
mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1
characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and
the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will
be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

[syllogi]

mrsph wrote...

Notice that he also said that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara would play an important role in Mass Effect 2.

lol

So, based on past performance, ME2 LI fans can expect awesome DLC or a crap cameo. 

Remember folks, the lower your expectations are, the more pleasantly you'll be surprised if you get anything at all! 

[Phaedon]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

That is what Casey Hudson said about ME3.

Casey also said this when talking about the ME1 squad:

We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide
mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1
characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and
the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will
be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

 
I also pointed out, that you should post the whole  quote, or it's out of context. 


Anyway, what does everyone here think that the 'Same Team' feature in Christina Norman's ME3 plan is ?

Modifié par Phaedon, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:50 .

[Phaedon]

That doesn't seem like something that would be included in a 'plan', tho.

[samuraix87]

i agree saying same team is telling people same team as in squad or developer team and sense its on a plan the first makes more sense

[-Skorpious-]

mrsph wrote...

Anyone got a link to this plan?

I suggest reading the whole thing. Its an interesting read.

http://prezi.com/6xe...y-inventory-go/

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:11 .

[Manic Sheep]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Bamboozalist wrote...

That is what Casey Hudson said about ME3.

Casey also said this when talking about the ME1 squad:

We actually want to make sure these characters survive the ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide
mission: some of your crew will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1
characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and
the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will
be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Meaning the ones who aren’t recruitable for ME2 may have a role essential in the main plot. This doesn’t mean they will be squadmates and it doesn't mean you can't have the same squad as ME2 in ME3.  Squad mates are not necessarily essential to the main plot at all. If they die in ME2 you could just miss out on them completely in the next game and it would not screw anything over.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:18 .

[Bamboozalist]

Wittand25 wrote...
Having all of the teammates back is not really inventive or edgy or anything but blatant and unoriginal fan-service that most likely will look bad to everyone who is not a fan like reviewers, the biggest part of the customer base and everyone caring for a good plot and therefore will backfire for Bioware.

Exceptit's not. Replacing your team for the sequel is one of the biggest unoriginal overly used RPG cliche there is. On the other hand succesfully keeping and maintaining interesting characters that still feel enjoyable and aren't degraded to cameos or static lifeless crew requires actual talent.

As for it being "fan-service", that is easily one of the most retarded things I've read, fan-service would be only bringing back the most popular characters or having stupid **** like Wrex and Liara rejoining the squad despite the fact that they have actual important crap to do to help Shepard that doesn't involve following Shepard around, or bringing back Miranda in an even skimpier outfit. That is fan-service.

As for the "good plot" if you got them all loyal and treated them nicely as I pointed out in a previous post NONE of your squad has anywhere else to be, they have literally no reason to leave Shepard. Only 3 people of your possible 12 man team would aid Shepard in getting allies. Tali who really, despite being a fan favorite, really is the only one who has a reason and the political pull to leave to help get allies; Legion who leaving would be retarded since as a Geth his physical presence does absolutely nothing since the Geth deal in data and
"consensus"; and Grunt who if you killed the Maw could use that to help unify other Krogan with Wrex, but even then his tank bred status might prevent that.

It would be bad writting to have them leave and forget what Shepard did for them,even with ME2's horrible squad interaction that would cut you off from half of the conversations if you didn't want to sleep with them, you could still build a large circle of trust and friendship with your crew.

Modifié par Bamboozalist, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:42 .