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[Iakus]

Much as it would be nice to see all teh old characters come back as squaddies fro ME 3 I find it highly unlikely for the simple reason that:



Every single one of them could potentially be dead at the end of ME 2.



I mean, sure it would be great to have Garrus back in your squad, but what about the players who import a save where Garrus is dead? Same with Tali, Miranda, Grunt, Thane, and so on. And that doesn't include the fact that you may not have recruited all of them to begin with!



Plus you just know that they'll be introducing new characters. Keeping track of all these possible permutations would be an absolute bear. No easy-way-out emails for this stuff. It may in the end simply be simpler to give them NPC status and give SHepard a whole new team.



Note I didn't say a "better" answer. Just a "simpler" answer.

[Pwner1323]

If they do that it will show how much they like toying with us. I really hope that because anyone could die in ME2, we'll lose lesser companions (I'll won't mention any of them, don't wanna get flamed).

[AllenShepard]

Honestly, I want a stripped down team that's comprised of the best of the best of squadmates between the two games. I know who I'd take with me...



-Ashley

-Thane

-Kelly (Okay, Wrex)

[Ahglock]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Ahglock: See? You liked Samara, Mordin, Tali, Garrus, Zaeed, and Kasumi. That's half the squad, not the "vast majority."

As for why people like Legion: eyebrows.

I did not include Tali and Garus since they are also ME1 characters.  Kasumi I thought was ok but did not really care for.  So I really only liked 3 of them and actively disliked like 6 of them.  And of the 3 the only one I'd like to see again because I really liked him was Mordin.  Samara had some depth but her story feels over to me.  Zaeed pulled off bad ass really well so he fit that niche and was good for it.  Otherwise not a great character though. 

[Thompson family]

Re: Original post.



No.

[Pwner1323]

AllenShepard wrote...

Honestly, I want a stripped down team that's comprised of the best of the best of squadmates between the two games. I know who I'd take with me...

-Ashley
-Thane
-Kelly (Okay, Wrex)

Ash!? Really!?

Put Zaeed in there and then come back....

[A Killing Sound]

Pwner1323 wrote...

AllenShepard wrote...

Honestly, I want a stripped down team that's comprised of the best of the best of squadmates between the two games. I know who I'd take with me...

-Ashley
-Thane
-Kelly (Okay, Wrex)

Ash!? Really!?

Put Zaeed in there and then come back....

Win

[Faerlyte]

If BioWare really wants to demonstrate how much choices impact your game they will allow you to have at least some of the characters that survive ME2 return as squadmates in ME3, and the people who didn't save them will simply not get them.

Not to be a bearer of reality here - choices are all fine and dandy, but let's face it...you take a renegade route and you're basically the ultimate ass**** in a bad way. I don't reward an ass**** in real life, so why would they be rewarded in a game? If you screw over your friends because you're an ass, you should have to face the consequences. That doesn't mean you don't get to finish the game or ultimately win, but it should mean that the outcome is drastically different from that of paragon, and it shouldn't be easy.

Hence you get your friends back that you worked hard to save in ME2 if you're paragon, and you don't get them back if you let them die out of negligence, renegade or not. I see no better opportunity to showcase how your choices make a difference, and it makes sense.

I don't much care for the choice system if BioWare can't pull it off to a degree that's believable. I saved my teammates, whether I liked them or not. If BioWare is going to open a can of worms, then they better be prepared to go above and beyond to deliver.

I'd be seriously disappointed if none of the ME2 squad was allowed to come back. This is the one thing that would bring me the closest to not buying the game. I don't expect them all to come back, because they won't, but if none of them do the continuity of the series will go kaput for me. I fully expect that whatever new characters they present will be engaging personalities, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm already invested in the other, already established characters from previous games, and to just toss them aside because it's too difficult to integrate them would be incredibly cheap.

But we'll just see I guess. I think I will be genuinely surprised if none of them return though. That would be so depressing.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 14 décembre 2010 - 01:03 .

[AllenShepard]

Pwner1323 wrote...

AllenShepard wrote...

Honestly, I want a stripped down team that's comprised of the best of the best of squadmates between the two games. I know who I'd take with me...

-Ashley
-Thane
-Kelly (Okay, Wrex)

Ash!? Really!?

Put Zaeed in there and then come back....

Zaeed and I didn't really share as much emotionally as I did with Ashley. Perhaps that's my loss.

[Pwner1323]

AllenShepard wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

AllenShepard wrote...

Honestly, I want a stripped down team that's comprised of the best of the best of squadmates between the two games. I know who I'd take with me...

-Ashley
-Thane
-Kelly (Okay, Wrex)

Ash!? Really!?

Put Zaeed in there and then come back....

Zaeed and I didn't really share as much emotionally as I did with Ashley. Perhaps that's my loss.

Ash= Racist (Died in Virmire)

Zaeed= BIG GODDAM HEROE(s)

[Manic Sheep]

Faerlyte wrote...

If BioWare really wants to demonstrate how much choices impact your game they will allow you to have at least some of the characters that survive ME2 return as squadmates in ME3, and the people who didn't save them will simply not get them.

Not to be a bearer of reality here - choices are all fine and dandy, but let's face it...you take a renegade route and you're basically the ultimate ass**** in a bad way. I don't reward an ass**** in real life, so why would they be rewarded in a game? If you screw over your friends because you're an ass, you should have to face the consequences. That doesn't mean you don't get to finish the game or ultimately win, but it should mean that the outcome is drastically different from that of paragon, and it shouldn't be easy.

Hence you get your friends back that you worked hard to save in ME2 if you're paragon, and you don't get them back if you let them die out of negligence, renegade or not. I see no better opportunity to showcase how your choices make a difference, and it makes sense.

I don't much care for the choice system if BioWare can't pull it off to a degree that's believable. I saved my teammates, whether I liked them or not. If BioWare is going to open a can of worms, then they better be prepared to go above and beyond to deliver.

I'd be seriously disappointed if none of the ME2 squad was allowed to come back. This is the one thing that would bring me the closest to not buying the game. I don't expect them all to come back, because they won't, but if none of them do the continuity of the series will go kaput for me. I fully expect that whatever new characters they present will be engaging personalities, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm already invested in the other, already established characters from previous games, and to just toss them aside because it's too difficult to integrate them would be incredibly cheap.

But we'll just see I guess. I think I will be genuinely surprised if none of them return though. That would be so depressing.

Your squad mates dying is not renegade, renegades still do the loyalty missions and off the top of my head I can’t think of any loyalty missions that you fail by taking the renegade route. Sending teammates to do the wrong thing is stupidity, nothing to do with para or ren.

Tho yes I am hoping to get at least some of the squad mates back in ME3. It’s harder to kill everyone than it is to save everyone and the game throws very obvious hints at you to who you should send. SO yes the squad mates are killable and won’t get absolutely essential roles but that doesn’t mean they can’t have any significant role in the next game. Supposedly the choices you make in ME2 will have large consequences in ME3. Having you miss out on squadmates because you got them killed would be an easy and obvious way to show that. If you nerfed your own game by killing of teammates then you should face the consequences in the next game.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 14 décembre 2010 - 01:37 .

[DrBobcat]

I am certain some characters will have a less significant role in the third game. However, I hope that some of the mainstays will continue to act as such (especially Garrus, Tali, and the Virmire survivor). It seems foolish and even a waste of time to give so much background to these characters and have it all taken away. I imagine we'll find out more in the months leading up to the game's launch.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

iakus wrote...

Much as it would be nice to see all teh old characters come back as squaddies fro ME 3 I find it highly unlikely for the simple reason that:

Every single one of them could potentially be dead at the end of ME 2.

I mean, sure it would be great to have Garrus back in your squad, but what about the players who import a save where Garrus is dead? Same with Tali, Miranda, Grunt, Thane, and so on. And that doesn't include the fact that you may not have recruited all of them to begin with!

Plus you just know that they'll be introducing new characters. Keeping track of all these possible permutations would be an absolute bear. No easy-way-out emails for this stuff. It may in the end simply be simpler to give them NPC status and give SHepard a whole new team.

Note I didn't say a "better" answer. Just a "simpler" answer.

This. They even said that Liara and Ashley/Kaiden were NPC's because they wanted to keep them alive for 3, didn't they?

[samuraix87]

still to just have 10 squadmates go from swuadmates to npcs in me3 is not what i want

[shumworld]

Phaedon wrote...

As long as Garrus and Tali are there, it's fine with me.

I'm sure among all the squadies. Tali and Garrus will remain, I mean they've been with Shepard from the very begining.

Edit:
After seeing Feron move like Thane and the video focus on Gavorn had me thinking that Bioware has been setting up replacements for some of the squadies.

Example, if Thane is dead in your play through, then Feron will fill the role that is meant for Thane.

So if all your squadys died in your play through then you'll have.

Thane- Feron
Wrex- Wearv
Tali- Daro'Xen Vas Moreh
Garrus- Gavorn

Kind of like the role Ashley and Kaiden have.

Modifié par shumworld, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:31 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Meh. I just want Wrex, Liara, Garrus and Tali in my squad. Couldn't care less if any other of the ME2 squaddies weren't squaddies anymore.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ahglock wrote...

I did not include Tali and Garus since they are also ME1 characters.  Kasumi I thought was ok but did not really care for.  So I really only liked 3 of them and actively disliked like 6 of them.  And of the 3 the only one I'd like to see again because I really liked him was Mordin.  Samara had some depth but her story feels over to me.  Zaeed pulled off bad ass really well so he fit that niche and was good for it.  Otherwise not a great character though.

Ah.  I'm tempted to call you a nitpicky whiner, but I'd hate to reduce myself to ad hominems.

Personally, I liked everyone, even Jacob.  They were my team and my responsibility, even if they were clichéd, over-the-top, or annoying.  After multiple playthroughs and exploring every little tidbit of conversation, I couldn't help but get attached to them.  The same thing happened with ME1, albeit to a lesser extent (for some reason, they didn't seem to have as much life to them in the first one...)

Seriously, though, Bioware got me to care about people that don't even exist.  That's one hell of an accomplishment, and that alone shows how much effort they put into the cast.  They aren't just gonna trash that.  Not when otherwise sensible people are rooting for their return.  You can say I'm too optomistic or whatever, but I think the fact that each squadmate is mortal makes them all the more valuable, and that value makes it all the more important that they come back.

Come on, Bioware, give my actions some real consequences, already!  I'm a paying customer, here!

[PMorgan18]

Of course I would be mad. But I'm not worried because it would be a horrible business decision and slap in the face to their fans. The moment the "no squadies from ME1 and ME2" would get leaked the whole fan base and anybody that has played the game will grab pitchforks and head to Edmonton.

[Terror_K]

shumworld wrote...

After seeing Feron move like Thane and the video focus on Gavorn had me thinking that Bioware has been setting up replacements for some of the squadies.

Example, if Thane is dead in your play through, then Feron will fill the role that is meant for Thane.

So if all your squadys died in your play through then you'll have.

Thane- Feron
Wrex- Wearv
Tali- Daro'Xen Vas Moreh
Garrus- Gavorn

Kind of like the role Ashley and Kaiden have.

Which would be absolutely awful, IMO. It's bad enough that it happened with Ashley and Kaidan and Shiala and the Human Zhu's Hope Colonist (Wrex and Wreav were not so bad, but still needed a bit more than they got), but to have it happen again would just be insulting. Not only to the players, but it cheapens their characters immensely to have them basically take the cheap and easy way out with lazy substitutes that basically say, "their character isn't that important at all because they're just 2-dimensional puppets left to fill a role and nothing more"

[Inspectre]

Faerlyte wrote...
Hence you get your friends back that you worked hard to save in ME2 if you're paragon, and you don't get them back if you let them die out of negligence, renegade or not. I see no better opportunity to showcase how your choices make a difference, and it makes sense.

You don't have to work hard at all to save everyone; in my save, more people lived than I planed to allow (1 died)... and I was 100% renagrade, 25% paragon.

Faerlyte wrote...
I don't much care for the choice system if BioWare can't pull it off to a degree that's believable. I saved my teammates, whether I liked them or not. If BioWare is going to open a can of worms, then they better be prepared to go above and beyond to deliver.

I'd be seriously disappointed if none of the ME2 squad was allowed to come back. This is the one thing that would bring me the closest to not buying the game. I don't expect them all to come back, because they won't, but if none of them do the continuity of the series will go kaput for me. I fully expect that whatever new characters they present will be engaging personalities, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm already invested in the other, already established characters from previous games, and to just toss them aside because it's too difficult to integrate them would be incredibly cheap.

You sound alot like me from the early days of ME2s announcment... 
I'm pretty sure it's already been pointed out, but only the squadmates who couln't be killed in 1 were recruitable in 2. That means there is only one person likely to return as a squadmate, and that would be Liara, as she can't be killed in either.

AllenShepard wrote...
Zaeed and I didn't really share as much emotionally as I did with Ashley. Perhaps that's my loss.

It's not.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Shinian2 wrote...

This. They even said that Liara and Ashley/Kaiden were NPC's because they wanted to keep them alive for 3, didn't they?

That doesn't mean that they will be squadmates, only that they'll be in the game.
Everyone who lived will be in the 3rd, in some way.  Maybe just as eMails, though...


Bioware screwed over their fanbase last time, no reason they won't do it again.  Especially if it's cheaper... and can you really blame them?  They're just a company; they will weigh the value in keeping fans vs the value of making new ones, and find the most effective procedure.

[Tilarta]

Okay, personal preferences first, then I'll discuss realistic options.

My heavy hitter squad was Grunt and Legion, so I'd want them back most of all.
Ashley is ranked with those two, so I want her as well, but not sure if she'll ever return as a squaddie.
Next most critical on the list are Garrus and Tali, since they're the veterans who have been with Shepherd throughout it all.
Miranda is a third choice, because she's my second in command and I like to take her out sometimes. Plus, her whack-a-mole (Heavy Slam) biotic power is very useful to me.

The others, well, although I valued most of them, it's not really going to affect my gameplay if they become NPCs (preferable) or are simply not there (I won't like that). Since I rarely used them except for special missions, it's not important whether or not they are squaddies.

This next list is ones I used infrequently or not at all

Thane is my favorite in this second list, he didn't get to go out much, but darn it, he was fun to talk to!
Mordin's tech powers were useful in shutting down enemies hard. And I found him interesting.
Jacob makes me laugh, so I'd like to keep him around.
Kasumi also makes me laugh and she's full of interesting things to say.
Although loosing them from combat would not impact my game, I'd still like to keep them around as NPCs to talk to.

Now we get to the bottom of the list.

Samara, well, I won't miss her at all. Stay or go, it's all the same to me. But I will be irked if she gets a valuable squadmate slot that could have been given to someone else.

Liara's good as an NPC, but I won't want her as a squadmate again.

And finally, extreme predujice list time (please don't hate me!):

Subject Zero. Well, I don't have to worry about her, she's dead in my version. And that was intentional. I didn't want her to come back in ME3.
Zaeed. Didn't like him either, so purposefully didn't install the DLC which will hopefully exclude him from ME3. And if it doesn't, I'll add that DLC just to make sure he dies and I don't have to worry about him showing up either.


Now, onto realistic assessments:

Legion and Tali are the ones most likely to return, because I'm assuming mending the Quarian/Geth divide will be a big part of Mass Effect 3.

Garrus and Grunt are the next two most likely, because they'll be needed to rally the Turians and Krogan behind Shepherd.

Miranda is the next most important, since she has been the mover and shaker from the beginning of Shepherd's alliance with Cerberus. My bet is she'll be key in some way getting the humans onside. She doesn't have Garrus or Tali's history with Shepherd, but in her own way, she's as committed to Shepherd as the more senior veterans.

Thane, well, I don't know really. I want his syndrome to be cured (as do all Krios fans!), but he could die from it as well.

Mordin might stick around, to offer his knowledge of the genophage and the cure (if you kept the data!) as a carrot to the Krogan.

Samara, extremely unlikely. She mentions several times that she will depart after the mission has been completed.

Most likely, I expect Mass Effect 3 to "shake it up". You get to keep some of your old squadmates, but you have to find new allies as well. This will most likely be tied into getting the non-aligned races to join a multispecies army against the Reapers. I'm expecting to see a Batarian squadmate, to prove that it is possible for a hostile enemy to work in peace with you.
Also expecting a Rachni to make an appearance as well, although probably not as a squadmate.
A Vorcha, maybe, but uncertain on that one. Although mentally primitive, they are formidable warriors, nearly as dangerous as the Krogan.

I just hope we get to pick who we keep as "Active Squadmates" and who becomes NPCs if the above scenerio comes true.
Grunt, Legion, Garrus, Tali and Miranda for me.

Modifié par Tilarta, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[thedistortedchild]

I'd be very upset. I'd prefer Bioware expand we have than try to make us have new ones.

[shumworld]

Terror_K wrote...

shumworld wrote...

After seeing Feron move like Thane and the video focus on Gavorn had me thinking that Bioware has been setting up replacements for some of the squadies.

Example, if Thane is dead in your play through, then Feron will fill the role that is meant for Thane.

So if all your squadys died in your play through then you'll have.

Thane- Feron
Wrex- Wearv
Tali- Daro'Xen Vas Moreh
Garrus- Gavorn

Kind of like the role Ashley and Kaiden have.

Which would be absolutely awful, IMO. It's bad enough that it happened with Ashley and Kaidan and Shiala and the Human Zhu's Hope Colonist (Wrex and Wreav were not so bad, but still needed a bit more than they got), but to have it happen again would just be insulting. Not only to the players, but it cheapens their characters immensely to have them basically take the cheap and easy way out with lazy substitutes that basically say, "their character isn't that important at all because they're just 2-dimensional puppets left to fill a role and nothing more"

Well if you have an issue with seeing your ME2 squadys replaced with someone else then the answer is simple, play the game and make sure your whole team is alive. For someone like me whose curious to see what happens if all but Shepard survives, I find this to be the logical way to compesate for their lost. Give the renegades a chance to have their own team if they had the old ones die. Plus whose to say the substitutes are as bad or under used until you see them in ME3; if it were to happen. Kaiden and Ashley are cool in their own right each have their own following of haters and likers. Granted Feron is Thane with a different color, but if this is the end of Shepard's adventure, I would believe all characters (even substitutes) will be well fleshed out. Or better yet, maybe the subtitutes will have a different story taylor made to fit them just like Kaiden and Ashley have. So keep an open mind, a large majority of the fandom hated the Heat clips and they turned out well IMO.

Personaly Feron ain't so bad a guy (he had his moments in the Redepmtion comic) and when I met Gavorn I thought he was pretty bad ass with the sniper riffle.

[Ahglock]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

I did not include Tali and Garus since they are also ME1 characters.  Kasumi I thought was ok but did not really care for.  So I really only liked 3 of them and actively disliked like 6 of them.  And of the 3 the only one I'd like to see again because I really liked him was Mordin.  Samara had some depth but her story feels over to me.  Zaeed pulled off bad ass really well so he fit that niche and was good for it.  Otherwise not a great character though.

Ah.  I'm tempted to call you a nitpicky whiner, but I'd hate to reduce myself to ad hominems.

Personally, I liked everyone, even Jacob.  They were my team and my responsibility, even if they were clichéd, over-the-top, or annoying.  After multiple playthroughs and exploring every little tidbit of conversation, I couldn't help but get attached to them.  The same thing happened with ME1, albeit to a lesser extent (for some reason, they didn't seem to have as much life to them in the first one...)

Seriously, though, Bioware got me to care about people that don't even exist.  That's one hell of an accomplishment, and that alone shows how much effort they put into the cast.  They aren't just gonna trash that.  Not when otherwise sensible people are rooting for their return.  You can say I'm too optomistic or whatever, but I think the fact that each squadmate is mortal makes them all the more valuable, and that value makes it all the more important that they come back.

Come on, Bioware, give my actions some real consequences, already!  I'm a paying customer, here!

So instead of just insulting me you say you are tempted to insult me but you are above that.  Right.  I should try that in person some time.  Don't insult the person straight out, say the insult with the preface I'm tempted to call you X but I'm to mature or whatever.  Somehow I don't think it will be taken differently than the insult. 

I am just being honest about my opinions here.  I disliked the majority of the ME2 characters, and the only one I liked enough to want to see back is Mordin.  Samara I might like enough but like I said her story feels over to me.  The rest went from okay to I really would rather see them vented in the air lock.  

Oh and I can see how me excluding tali and garus is a bit nitpicky but honestly I don't see them as ME2 characters they are ME1 characters to me.  And since I think none of these characters will make real appearance in ME3 I'm not whining about it, maybe gloating but that is totally different.