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[AdmiralCheez]

Ahglock wrote...

So instead of just insulting me you say you are tempted to insult me but you are above that.  Right.  I should try that in person some time.  Don't insult the person straight out, say the insult with the preface I'm tempted to call you X but I'm to mature or whatever.  Somehow I don't think it will be taken differently than the insult. 

Oh, hush, you.  I was just being silly. Sorry to offend if I did

I am just being honest about my opinions here.  I disliked the majority of the ME2 characters, and the only one I liked enough to want to see back is Mordin.  Samara I might like enough but like I said her story feels over to me.  The rest went from okay to I really would rather see them vented in the air lock.

No problem there.  I just can't bring myself to hate video game characters enough for that.

Oh and I can see how me excluding tali and garus is a bit nitpicky but honestly I don't see them as ME2 characters they are ME1 characters to me.  And since I think none of these characters will make real appearance in ME3 I'm not whining about it, maybe gloating but that is totally different. 

I thought Tali was boring as all hell in ME1.  Maybe had something to do with codex-rape and SHEPARD'S IN TROUBLE!

And gloat while you can, Ahglock!  Just wait 'til ME3!  Optimism and obsessive fandom shall triumph! *wooshes away on a jetpack*

[BTL1]

I honestly don't know if I would play another Mass Effect game where you spend time gathering another crew. It wouldn't make any sense. You've already spent two games meeting people and gathering crew members to help take on the Reapers...it would feel like a step backwards if Bioware said 'Okay, you've already done it twice, but do it again!'

I fully expect Garrus and Tali to be in ME3. People would rage too hard if they're left out. I'll be disappointed if Grunt isn't in it though. He was easily my favorite new character in ME2.

Modifié par BTL1, 14 décembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[Matchy Pointy]

I would be a bit dissapointed f all the effort put into recruiting my squadmembers and gaining their loyalty turns out to not make an effect in the long run.

[Luigitornado]

People I expect not to return.



Samara

Zaeed

Kasumi

Thane

Mordin



Who I want to return out of those expected not to.



Mordin

Samara

Kasumi

[Ahglock]

BTL1 wrote...

I honestly don't know if I would play another Mass Effect game where you spend time gathering another crew. It wouldn't make any sense. You've already spent two games meeting people and gathering crew members to help take on the Reapers...it would feel like a step backwards if Bioware said 'Okay, you've already done it twice, but do it again!'

I fully expect Garrus and Tali to be in ME3. People would rage too hard if they're left out. I'll be disappointed if Grunt isn't in it though. He was easily my favorite new character in ME2.

I don't know.  It seems to me you are going to the major races and asking them to pony up a fleet to kick reaper ass.  It does not seem a stretch that you have to meet people and some join you as represenatives of their people or others because they want to join your cause.  You know the cliched scene where the polticos ignore your pleas but the plucky junior officer/reporter/lawyer beleives you and wants to help out, or the other cliched scene where enemies and rivals team up but they send one of their best men(spy) to work with you closely in order to make sure you are coordinated, but where does his loyalty really lie!  The use so many damn cliches in these games they should have a band playing at a bar called "The Cliche's" 

[Faerlyte]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Your squad mates dying is not renegade, renegades still do the loyalty missions and off the top of my head I can’t think of any loyalty missions that you fail by taking the renegade route. Sending teammates to do the wrong thing is stupidity, nothing to do with para or ren.

Tho yes I am hoping to get at least some of the squad mates back in ME3. It’s harder to kill everyone than it is to save everyone and the game throws very obvious hints at you to who you should send. SO yes the squad mates are killable and won’t get absolutely essential roles but that doesn’t mean they can’t have any significant role in the next game. Supposedly the choices you make in ME2 will have large consequences in ME3. Having you miss out on squadmates because you got them killed would be an easy and obvious way to show that. If you nerfed your own game by killing of teammates then you should face the consequences in the next game.

Well I did call it negligence, whether you're a renegade or not, but yeah, I didn't think that statement through - I don't know what I was thinking. My point still stands though. Neglecting characters might not count towards your renegade points, but it is something a renegade might do, which is probably what I was thinking at the time and got my wires crossed.

Regardless, I still don't think people should be rewarded for doing that.

Modifié par Faerlyte, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I bet you'll get a few new members, keep a few old members, and each of the remaining other members are in specific missions related to them. As in you might do some missions to get Krogans to help, you'll get Wrex as a squadmate if he's still alive.

[scarface71795]

I don't see why they don't just keep fan favorites from the first two and then just add a few to keep it fresh.Plus it's Bioware, they can't mess it up

But they must have Garrus and Miranda

Or i will rage

[mcneil_1]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

I spent a lot of time building my team and keeping them alive. I'd rather not be flying around doing loyalty missions and recruiting so and so. I've got a team. I've got potential allies. Time to fight.

Same here

[Nyaore]

Not at all, especially since bringing everyone back would create a kind of logistical quagmire given what can happen at the end of ME2. Not to mention expendable characters traditionally don't receive more than short cameos in sequels for other series. (And yes, I realize that Bioware isn't like other developers. I'm just mentioning why I won't be mad if they don't decide to buck tradition.)
Does that mean I don't wish to see them all again? Actually, I'd love to have the entire team back for the final installment in the series. However whenever I try and put myself into the shoes of the developer and try to imagine the nightmare it would take to implement I can't help but doubt the possibility of it happening.

Modifié par Nyaore, 14 décembre 2010 - 06:47 .

[Terror_K]

I can't help but wonder whether they shot themselves in the foot narrative wise with the whole "suicide mission" aspect of ME2 actually.

[AdmiralCheez]

Terror_K wrote...

I can't help but wonder whether they shot themselves in the foot narrative wise with the whole "suicide mission" aspect of ME2 actually.

No idea, since they planned ME3 to be a trilogy with carry-over decisions all along...

Oh.  Wait.  Drama.  That's why.  Well check the forums, Bioware, cuz you made plenty of it.

[Nyaore]

Terror_K wrote...

I can't help but wonder whether they shot themselves in the foot narrative wise with the whole "suicide mission" aspect of ME2 actually.

They really did when you think about it. Because now they have to also account for the fact that all but two of your crew can die in the final mission, and they aren't even on your squad for that matter, and that will in turn affect how they proceed with the development of ME3. (It's been awhile since I played the last mission in the game, but if memory serves correctly EDI and Joker are the only ones who are guaranteed to survive in all playthroughs - barring a 'game over' scenario.) It doesn't matter if the vast majority of the fanbase made it out of the endgame with a bare minimum of casualities, there will always be a number of people out there who went out of their way to maximize the amount of carnage that could be inflicted upon their teams. And you know that some of the fanbase will give Bioware hell if they do not also cater, even in the smallest of fashions, to those people who lost almost everyone they could possibly lose.
Add onto that the fact that all members of your squad can die, which means that at least two new characters will have to be brought into the mix for the next game to provide some sort of motley crew for Shepard to command in the final installment. And that's not even assuming that one of those new characters will be the Virmire survivor or Liara.
As I said before, the logistics of the whole thing are enough to make my head spin.

Modifié par Nyaore, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[lazuli]

Nyaore wrote...

They really did when you think about it. Because now they have to also account for the fact that all but two of your crew can die in the final mission, and they aren't even on your squad for that matter, and that will in turn affect how they proceed with the development of ME3.

Call me crazy, but this is the sort of thing I'd expect them to have planned out in advance.  I don't think they finished developing ME2, released it, and said, "Oh, crap.  What are we going to do about all of the squadmate variables?" 

[Nyaore]

lazuli wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

They really did when you think about it. Because now they have to also account for the fact that all but two of your crew can die in the final mission, and they aren't even on your squad for that matter, and that will in turn affect how they proceed with the development of ME3.

Call me crazy, but this is the sort of thing I'd expect them to have planned out in advance.  I don't think they finished developing ME2, released it, and said, "Oh, crap.  What are we going to do about all of the squadmate variables?" 

You're crazy.
Nah, you make a good point actually. No competent developer would be foolish enough to do something like that. Still,  when I think about the whole mess I can't help but feel that they might have underestimated something. Be it the depth of magnitude the vast majority of this forum has expressed towards seeing the entire cast reprise their roles in the sequel, or what have you. Then again that's probably just me underestimated them.

[lazuli]

Nyaore wrote...

Then again that's probably just me underestimated them.

Only time will tell.

[Fraevar]

Given how they handled ME1 characters in ME2 - no. In fact, I'd rather the ME2 cast be forgotten than put through the agonizing cameos Ash/Kaidan/Liara had to endure in ME2. And no, DLC that "fixes" it 8 months down the line is not an acceptable solution. Delay the release of the base game next time, please.

[PD ORTA]

goatman42 wrote...

Yes I will be mad.

It would be if in Return of the Jedi Luke was like, "**** it. I'm not going to save Han; bye everyone!" and goes off to find a new group of people to help him stop the Emperor.

LOL. this pretty much sums it up. Some squadmates ie; those hired just for suicide mission excluded... everyone should return.

[KainrycKarr]

Still say it's gonna be a mix of new and old.

[MC P Pants]

Has anyone considered the possibility that there will not be any new squadmates? And that the purpose of ME2 was to create that squad, and if you messed up at the end and got your crew all shot up and import that playthrough to ME3 - you are stuck with what you have left. This may be a bit of a hardline approach, but that would be the most incredible way to add to the intensity of the series - and make ME2 the most pivotal game in the series. I would be blown away if they actually did that

[Dem_B]

I am sure that the key characters will appear, but whether they will be in the team?

After all, anyone could die in a suicide mission, but it is a fact that is can not be neglected, how to can be sure that the story will continue, if for me this character was dead and for you he survived, it a serious question.



But when your squad has a new character, it character must be friend for you.

I can `t say such things about some characters from ME2, I was do not regret them when they died, not because I am dark renegade, because they do not evoke emotion.



I want to say that every new character, must gain your attention and respect, and he does not always can, it may happen that no one new character in the squad, will not be important for you as friend - is the most offensive.



Hero are can't fight with the evil alone, him always help loyal friends. So it should be.

[SlipperehPuppeh]

Honestly, I hope all the squaddies from ME1 return. I could see a recruitment mission for Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, and Wrex, though.

From ME2, I would expect Jacob, Miranda, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Garrus, and Tali to return (provided they survived the suicide mission). I think the reason for the other squad members not returning is pretty obvious. 

Jack simply sort of goes with the flow. She could easily find another group she likes better... Or who are much more rebellious than Shepard is.  Maybe there could be a recruitment mission for her.

Samara/Morinth only had an agreement with Shepard as far as the Collector mission is concerned. Perhaps she will extend that agreement to mean his entire mission of destroying the Reapers once she sees the threat of the Reapers. Perhaps, if you take Morinth, that will have a consequence here (IE, one less squad mate).

Kasumi is a thief, not a squadmate. She'll stay for a while, to keep under the radar. Then she'll leave. Hope she makes a cameo, though.

Zaeed has an agreement only for the Collectors mission. This one, though, is up for debate because occasionally he'll talk about how he can always tell when something is galaxy shattering news and how even he cares about it. So perhaps he could come back via a recruitment mission.

Thane is dead, almost guaranteed. I will be SORELY disappointed if he doesn't get any sort of mention in ME3, though.

Modifié par SlipperehPuppeh, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

iakus wrote...

Much as it would be nice to see all teh old characters come back as squaddies fro ME 3 I find it highly unlikely for the simple reason that:

Every single one of them could potentially be dead at the end of ME 2.

I mean, sure it would be great to have Garrus back in your squad, but what about the players who import a save where Garrus is dead? Same with Tali, Miranda, Grunt, Thane, and so on. And that doesn't include the fact that you may not have recruited all of them to begin with!

Plus you just know that they'll be introducing new characters. Keeping track of all these possible permutations would be an absolute bear. No easy-way-out emails for this stuff. It may in the end simply be simpler to give them NPC status and give SHepard a whole new team.

Note I didn't say a "better" answer. Just a "simpler" answer.

Theoretically speaking, it is plausible for every squad mate to return if the game is structured wherein their relevance both gameplay and storyline wise is marginal. How this could be accomplished would be by including three new characters who take one of each class for balancing purposes. If the missions are designed to accommodate such type of gameplay, it would be simple to replace the Engineer/Infiltrator with Garrus had he survived the suicide mission. It was never as though any of your squad was immensely useful in comparison to Shepard. Therefore, any of them can be interchangeable.

Of course any content for ME2 characters would be exclusive to imported files. I suppose a system could be designed that upon completion of a file the game rewards you with an import character, although it is more a compromise than an ideal. In any event, I significantly doubt Bioware will do the aforementioned and believe the vast majority will receive a cameo. Garrus and Tali alone being ported through would mildly surprise me.

If none return. I wish them well because Wrex had people sending death threats last time. Garrus and Tali fans may well abandon the whole franchise. Regardless, the rage all around would be more destructive than the bloody reapers, xD

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Greatsultan]

as long as Garrus, Miranda, and Zaeed still present, i'll be happy