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[mousestalker]

The best parts of the Dalish origin are Tamlin and, oddly enough, Witch Hunt. Corker opened my eyes to the latter.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I lost respect for the city elf the moment she walked out of her house and into the alienage. Being somehow related to this multitude of cringing cretins was enough to write off any possibility of taking this character seriously.

The PC is supposed to be unique.  Your mother had kept alive a fighting spirit under almost impossible conditions and passed on her training, possibly losing her life for it.  The Denerim street gangs are some of the toughest fights in the game.  While elves can't bear weapons, the man you see getting threatened at the beginning of Return to the Alienage points to the idea that your PC could have been a street fighter his or her whole life.

[Ryzaki]

Actually the CE origin with the girl going to Ostagar made me facepalm my second time through.

"I'll be surronded by soldiers who haven't seen a woman in months-"

At least a tenth of the army is women!  /facepalms

*takes a deep breath*

Sorry. That just annoyed the hell out of me.

Now I could understand why she didn't want to go and hell it was probably dangerous for her to go. But good grief you'd think she was going to an all male camp. >_> 

Also: The CE is supposed to be BA.

(The PC is a Sue he/she is BA regardless of whether them being trained is improbable or not). 

Anyway my ranking of Origins.

1. Human Noble
2. Magi
3. CIty Elf
4. Dwarven Noble
5. Dwarven Commoner
6. Dalish Elf

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I wouldn't say a tenth, less than that, I think. The noticable majority will be men.

[Ryzaki]

Not really when you look at the Ostagar scene you see roughly one female to every 4 males.(Or something close to that. There was a decent ratio and I actually think it was higher than 10%)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:17 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Not anywhere near that. I saw a couple female faces out of dozens. The only armies/units I've seen with a higher than average number of females was Loghain's.

[Ryzaki]

Weird. I saw quite a few. *goes in search of youtube vid*

*sighs* 

WTF is with these extremely low-res cutscenes BW? I just realized how damned ugly they are.

And yeah it does seem to be mostly male and I do see a few females so I would say it's very few females.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:27 .

[mousestalker]

I like to think the Hero of RIver Dane attracts groupies. He's an aging teen idol at heart (Loghain as a member of the Bay City Rollers, now there's an image...).

[Ryzaki]

mousestalker wrote...

I like to think the Hero of RIver Dane attracts groupies. He's an aging teen idol at heart (Loghain as a member of the Bay City Rollers, now there's an image...).

That just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Though really why don't you see the girl from the CE origin if you go to Ostagar? I mean it's like she just vanishes off the face of the planet if you decide to not help her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
The Dalish being who they are, my Dalish PC felt betrayed by Zathrian too.  The clan is not your primary identity but being Dalish.

Not necessarily. Yes, loose affiliation with the Dalish would be your primary identity in theory, but you still are born and raised within a clan and with specific elders. In practise, I would think that a Dalish would consider his clan to be as important. At least it can be rped that way, but the Origin as it stands doesn't offer this at all.

Sure, you can RP a dalish that felt betrayed by Zathrian, but it would never have had the same impact as a Dalish who was raised to admire and venerate Zathrian and who knew him on a personal level (perhaps even as a father figure). That's just wasted potential.

All Origins have a "personal link" to Quests, except the Dalish.
DN and DC: Orzammar (Bhelen / Rica / Harrowmont)
Mage: Circle (Irving, to a certain extent Gregoir)
Human Noble: Howe (weaker or stronger than the others, depends on how you view it) and the Crown
CE: Alienage (Your family)

The Dalish origin has a superficial link only, with an unknown Dalish clan that we know nothing about. 
Not saying it couldn't be engaging, but it would have been much more engaging and much more interesting if we were from Zathrian's clan. It's weird that it wasn't done really.
 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 décembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Jon Jern_]

I think, ("I think") the dalish elf origin would be cool if it was Zathrian's clan but it would still be a weak origin. I mean, the whole mirror thing is kind of cool I guess, but I think something more involving humans would hit the bullseye. Kind of like the opposite of the city elf, the elves fear the humans while in a Dalish point of view the humans fear the Dalish and their savageness. But, personally that would (still) feel much less engaging than City Elf.

So in the end, I guess the mirror story will have to do. It's a shame a nice concept about Elves and how they "stand up to the man", is given such a poor story. I will always love my Tabris characters, on the other hand.

Modifié par Jon Jern , 14 décembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The Dalish being who they are, my Dalish PC felt betrayed by Zathrian too.  The clan is not your primary identity but being Dalish.

Not necessarily. Yes, loose affiliation with the Dalish would be your primary identity in theory, but you still are born and raised within a clan and with specific elders. In practise, I would think that a Dalish would consider his clan to be as important. At least it can be rped that way, but the Origin as it stands doesn't offer this at all.
 

As you say, it's in the roleplay.  I assume since Marethari will be in DA2 that they needed the origin clan not to be capable of being wiped out.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
As you say, it's in the roleplay.  I assume since Marethari will be in DA2 that they needed the origin clan not to be capable of being wiped out.

I thought the clan can move south to the new Dalish land given to them if the Warden is Dalish.

They could have always made it look like some Maretharis survived the massacre if the option was chosen (we see some of Zathrian's clan who survived, others could have as well).
It in fact would have made our choices in Origins more relevent. We can have the clan as either very weak and bitter, or normal.  Would have been interesting.

I doubt the Marethari have any crucial role to play that couldn't have been played by another clan anyways and I doubt the clan appearing in DA2 was planned ahead of time. I think it's more for nostalgia effect, like Hawke being from Amell descent from his mother's side. But eh, we'll see. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:16 .

[Dayshadow]

Addai67 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

You don't play that.  No human villager kidnaps your sister or whatever and kills her. You don't steal crops from human farms to earn their anger.  Whatever comes of the two humans is something going on in the background.  You're too busy being pwned by a mirror.

Seeing the Black City and fighting darkspawn... that's not plot central?

It does not capture the life of the dalish which is what the ORIGINS are supposed to be about.  Everyone sees the Black City and fights darkspawn at some point. Are you saying the fade sequence in the tower could be perceived as the dwarf casteless origin? Wait, don't answer that... I still respect you as a person.

[Dayshadow]

Corker wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

Corker wrote...

You, uh, know that the origin starts off with the PC out hunting, where they encounter some humans who are going to cause them problems one way or another?  Kill 'em and their village comes looking; let 'em go and they'll be back.  And their clan is fleeing at the end of the origin.  Pretty much exactly what you outlined.

Uh, you do know that you didn't hunt anything and the clan leaves no matter what, right?  You do know that you, as the player never hunt anything and never experience any direct threat or bigotry from a human?

Sorry, but going into a cave and turning up sick at your camp does not put me in the shoes of the dalish.  The player is told what it means to be a dalish via codex entries, you never experience it.  Why do the dalish hate humans, why do humans hate dalish? How is their methods of survive a threat to humans?  As a player, what makes you identify with that hatred?  City Elf did it well enough. The Dalish origin is akin to having an Orlesian noble origin where you go to a carnavale and a group of darkspwn attack.  Duncans sees you in action and conscripts you. The end.  Oh, but you got to buy 5 pairs of pretty shoes for your self or date at the beginning and that's important to Orlesians. Give me a break.   

Wow.  Your argumentative tone and entirely subjective experience TOTALLY convince me of your point of view.  I was wrong, so VERY WRONG and obviously have been blind but now I SEE.  My own experiences mean NOTHING; I was FOOLING MYSELF.  I'll... I'll have to go lie down for a bit.  The paradigm shift, it's so dizzying.

Glad to see you came around. 

[ArawnNox]

Dayshadow wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

You don't play that.  No human villager kidnaps your sister or whatever and kills her. You don't steal crops from human farms to earn their anger.  Whatever comes of the two humans is something going on in the background.  You're too busy being pwned by a mirror.

Seeing the Black City and fighting darkspawn... that's not plot central?

It does not capture the life of the dalish which is what the ORIGINS are supposed to be about.  Everyone sees the Black City and fights darkspawn at some point. Are you saying the fade sequence in the tower could be perceived as the dwarf casteless origin? Wait, don't answer that... I still respect you as a person.

DId you start this thread just so you could troll other people's opinions? Seriously, man.

[Kabraxal]

Dalish Elf

Dwarven Commoner

City Elf

Human Noble

Mage



Haven't played Dwarven Noble yet despite having 20 playthroughs. I just love playing as an elf, whcih usually means Dalish. It has a solid beginning, but it's strengths are the increased ability to RP due to the Origin being referred to constanty and actually feeling like it is changing the world.

[Dayshadow]

ArawnNox wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Dayshadow wrote...

You don't play that.  No human villager kidnaps your sister or whatever and kills her. You don't steal crops from human farms to earn their anger.  Whatever comes of the two humans is something going on in the background.  You're too busy being pwned by a mirror.

Seeing the Black City and fighting darkspawn... that's not plot central?

It does not capture the life of the dalish which is what the ORIGINS are supposed to be about.  Everyone sees the Black City and fights darkspawn at some point. Are you saying the fade sequence in the tower could be perceived as the dwarf casteless origin? Wait, don't answer that... I still respect you as a person.

DId you start this thread just so you could troll other people's opinions? Seriously, man.

If by "troll" you mean pointing out obvious truths, then yes. It was inevitable that I would eventually "troll" people.

[Addai]

Dayshadow wrote...

It does not capture the life of the dalish which is what the ORIGINS are supposed to be about.  Everyone sees the Black City and fights darkspawn at some point. Are you saying the fade sequence in the tower could be perceived as the dwarf casteless origin? Wait, don't answer that... I still respect you as a person.

Don't do me any favors.

The purpose of the origin is to tie your background in with the larger story of Thedas.  I get that you didn't feel Dalish enough.  Not sure what would have sufficed to immerse you.  Somehow hearing the legends of the history and mythology, camping in a forest, confrontation with humans, and the clan having to flee didn't do it.  I'll have to take your word for it, since I'm definitely moving on from this exchange.

[Giggles_Manically]

 @Dayshadow.
Scrubs says it best.

[Erika T]

Having played through all origins, here's what I think:

1.  Human noble - I play this the most, partly because I like being a noble and called my lady a lot   also, I am really new to RPGs (DAO being my first, really addicted though), and I feel most comfortable being a human like I am in this earthly life.  Also, I like that the origin story is not too long.  In my opinion human nobles have the most motivation to proceed with the mission of gathering an army.

2.  Magi - really interesting starting story and you can be a human

3.  City elf - I quite like the oppressed little hero emerging.  Never played it through so not sure what happens in the alienage ...

4.  Dwarven Noble - interesting, especially in Orzammar later.    not too keen on dwarves though.

5.  Dalish elf - boring ut at least you can look pretty (I know I am superficial)

6.  Dwarven commoner - somehow this didnt grab me.

[bleetman]

Speaking of the Dalish origin, the main thing I would've liked to have seen expended was your involvement with Tamlen. He's painted as a friend-from-childhood and possible romantic interest, but unless you make a point of repeatedly starting short conversations with him once inside the cave, there's precious little interaction going on. I didn't feel at all connected with him as a character. Being told 'He's your friend, oh no he's missing, you're supposed to be worried' rather than having that relationship introduced via conversation and interaction, as with other origins, rang a little hollow.



By contrast, the other origins did a better job at pulling off the 'bestest friend for everest' type characters, I felt. Gorim or Leske, for example. I would've prefered to stumble across the human treasure hunters part way through rather than as the introduction, after having spent some time running around doing whatever-it-is-Dalish-do with Tamlen.

[mousestalker]

bleetman wrote...

Speaking of the Dalish origin, the main thing I would've liked to have seen expended was your involvement with Tamlen. He's painted as a friend-from-childhood and possible romantic interest, but unless you make a point of repeatedly starting short conversations with him once inside the cave, there's precious little interaction going on. I didn't feel at all connected with him as a character. Being told 'He's your friend, oh no he's missing, you're supposed to be worried' rather than having that relationship introduced via conversation and interaction, as with other origins, rang a little hollow.

By contrast, the other origins did a better job at pulling off the 'bestest friend for everest' type characters, I felt. Gorim or Leske, for example. I would've prefered to stumble across the human treasure hunters part way through rather than as the introduction, after having spent some time running around doing whatever-it-is-Dalish-do with Tamlen.

I agree and endorse this heartily. I think part of the reason the Dalish origin feels so rushed is that the time spent interacting with folks, and especially Tamlen, is so abbreviated. A mini adventure before running into the treasure hunters could have made all the difference.

[DWSmiley]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though really why don't you see the girl from the CE origin if you go to Ostagar? I mean it's like she just vanishes off the face of the planet if you decide to not help her.

FWIW - The quartermaster is looking for an elf girl who matches her description and you are only at Ostagar for part of a day and a night - easy enough to not bump into her.