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[InvaderErl]

But Shepard NEVER understands the beacons. Liara does the work of interpreting and understanding your visions. All the Cipher ended up doing was cleaning up the static and allowing Shepard to understand Prothean (which became irrelevant when Vigil ended up figuring out how to speak to all of them shortly after that).

If they had cut out Feros all that would have changed in the scheme of things is that Liara would have been able to decipher the beacon from the get-go. That's literally it. The Thorian/Exo-Geni or anything else introduced on that planet never ended up impacting any part of the plot.

As for the rest of your post its too vague to really comment on in any detail other than broad strokes, but if you're making the point I think you're making that is that all of these areas added texture to the overall universe then I can easily argue that ME2 in fact shows us more of the current state of the universe than its predecessor which aside from the Citadel takes place primarily on human or uninhabitated worlds.

But let's ignore that for the moment, what's more important is your comment about those elements primarily being there to add to the background actually SUPPORTS the initial position you were arguing against

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...
ME1 had many "independent short stories."  Heck, take a look at the core plot worlds.  How much of  Noveria's plot was really relevant to the main plot of the game?  They even left Feros out of the comic and there was surprisingly little impact. 

Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 février 2011 - 03:21 .

[Torhagen]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Considering the PS3 port wasn't even started until ME2 was already published, long after the story was set, I think you are... wrong.

ME1 Spoilers ahead

How do you know you the PS3 wasnt planned at the beginning just because PR told you so ?
Considering that the Gemini Comic has so much information missing like:

• Udina's treachery is not shown hell if it wouldn't be for Anderson
  and Shepard the MEverse would have already fallen to the Reapers.
• Also if i remeber correctly the Conduit is not mentioned once in the comic

or is just plain wrong like the Rachni queen taking the crazy drones with her(when she actually told you to kill them since they have gone nuts) 

it makes sense to me that EA/Bioware planned a ME light all along

Modifié par Torhagen, 05 février 2011 - 03:44 .

[shep82]

Schneidend wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

This not so much.  It doesn't take much critical looking to see ME2 was a departure form the original story laid down by ME1.  It was a reboot, not a sequel.

That's purely subjective. I happen to think ME2 is a perfectly faithful sequel, and hope Mac keeps up the good work in ME3.

Agreed. I have alot of faith that ME3 will have a great story.

[Shotokanguy]

Mass Effect 2 is a reboot. That's a new one. I wonder what color the sky is in his world?



Hey, buddy, if you come back, let me end any drawn out argument right now. It is NOT a reboot. That is factually true. You may say it feels like a reboot, but you are deluding yourself.

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...
ME1 had many "independent short stories."  Heck, take a look at the core plot worlds.  How much of Noveria's plot was really relevant to the main plot of the game?  They even left Feros out of the comic and there was surprisingly little impact. 

Most importantly: In Feros Shepard gets the Cipher...

You can see that there's more than most can handle and it contains

*DRUM ROLL* 

no or very minimal daddy issues.  Just useful information on how mentioned things and the ME universe operate in general, their motivation, goals and history.

First - NO SPOILER FORUM.

Second, the 'thing you get on Feros' is only tangentally related to the entire mission.  It could have been removed and the story would have been a standalone one.  There wasn't a tight integration of it with the Feros storyline IMHO.

Third, all three non-human characters in ME1 have some sort of issue with their dad.  Wrex of course, Garrus mentions his father if you talk to him, and Tali mentions her dad which carries over into ME2. 

[Bolshevik kityy]

InvaderErl wrote...

What ME2 did was it did a lot of building for the 3rd, which is what a second part SHOULD do.

Harbinger, Reaper reproduction, Dark Energy, the Geth-Quarian war and Admiral Xen as a likely antagonist, setting up alliances with possible future factions (the Krogan, Geth and Omega), introducing EDI, the whole Shadowbroker situation (pre and post DLC) and that's off the top of my head.

Some people have issue with moreso the direction the story took, which is ultimately a subjective experience but there's really little doubt ME3 is going to have more to do with ME2 than anything else.

^ This, I agree with this 100%. No doubt the decision of of the CB will have repercussions in the next game. I see ME 2 as (I know this has been stated to death) The Empire Strikes Back of ME. In that story the rebels moved no closer to destroying the empire, but many of the things introduced were prodominate in the next film. Mass Effect 2 did it's job very well. Was it perfect? No. There are some things that didn't pan out but I found Mass Effect 2 to be a very good second chapter worthy of the accolaids it has received. Further more I think Mac is very talented and look foreward to seeing how he and Drew conclude my favorite game franchise :happy:.

[Torhagen]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

First - NO SPOILER FORUM.

Second, the 'thing you get on Feros' is only tangentally related to the entire mission.  It could have been removed and the story would have been a standalone one.  There wasn't a tight integration of it with the Feros storyline IMHO.

Third, all three non-human characters in ME1 have some sort of issue with their dad.  Wrex of course, Garrus mentions his father if you talk to him, and Tali mentions her dad which carries over into ME2. 

Without Feros the protagonist would have no way of understanding the Message and therefore no chance to find the conduit and with that saving the whole MEverse from the reapers first attempt to obliterate the council races

I have already written about how the genesis comic has more holes than swisscheese

[AdmiralCheez]

Bolshevik kityy wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

What ME2 did was it did a lot of building for the 3rd, which is what a second part SHOULD do.

Harbinger, Reaper reproduction, Dark Energy, the Geth-Quarian war and Admiral Xen as a likely antagonist, setting up alliances with possible future factions (the Krogan, Geth and Omega), introducing EDI, the whole Shadowbroker situation (pre and post DLC) and that's off the top of my head.

Some people have issue with moreso the direction the story took, which is ultimately a subjective experience but there's really little doubt ME3 is going to have more to do with ME2 than anything else.

^ This, I agree with this 100%. No doubt the decision of of the CB will have repercussions in the next game. I see ME 2 as (I know this has been stated to death) The Empire Strikes Back of ME. In that story the rebels moved no closer to destroying the empire, but many of the things introduced were prodominate in the next film. Mass Effect 2 did it's job very well. Was it perfect? No. There are some things that didn't pan out but I found Mass Effect 2 to be a very good second chapter worthy of the accolaids it has received. Further more I think Mac is very talented and look foreward to seeing how he and Drew conclude my favorite game franchise :happy:.

Yeah, baby, yeah!

[InvaderErl]

Torhagen wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

First - NO SPOILER FORUM.

Second, the 'thing you get on Feros' is only tangentally related to the entire mission.  It could have been removed and the story would have been a standalone one.  There wasn't a tight integration of it with the Feros storyline IMHO.

Third, all three non-human characters in ME1 have some sort of issue with their dad.  Wrex of course, Garrus mentions his father if you talk to him, and Tali mentions her dad which carries over into ME2. 

Without Feros the protagonist would have no way of understanding the Message and therefore no chance to find the conduit and with that saving the whole MEverse from the reapers first attempt to obliterate the council races

I have already written about how the genesis comic has more holes than swisscheese

We just covered all of this on the page prior and the top of this one. Feros and the whole Cipher plot was unnecessary and was an artificial way to add an extra planet. Remove it and the story doesn't miss a beat.

And Mac Walters is not really at fault for Genesis. The concept for the story was by him but the actual script was put together by Jackson Miller who's had no work experience with Mass Effect prior, same for Evolution. No video game comic has been good; not the Halo, Silent Hill, Gears of War or Dead Space comics, Genesis was not unique in this manner.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 07 février 2011 - 02:06 .

[Torhagen]

InvaderErl wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

First - NO SPOILER FORUM.

Second, the 'thing you get on Feros' is only tangentally related to the entire mission.  It could have been removed and the story would have been a standalone one.  There wasn't a tight integration of it with the Feros storyline IMHO.

Third, all three non-human characters in ME1 have some sort of issue with their dad.  Wrex of course, Garrus mentions his father if you talk to him, and Tali mentions her dad which carries over into ME2. 

Without Feros the protagonist would have no way of understanding the Message and therefore no chance to find the conduit and with that saving the whole MEverse from the reapers first attempt to obliterate the council races

I have already written about how the genesis comic has more holes than swisscheese

We just covered all of this on the page prior and the top of this one. Feros and the whole Cipher plot was unnecessary and was an artificial way to add an extra planet. Remove it and the story doesn't miss a beat.

And Mac Walters is not really at fault for Genesis. The concept for the story was by him but the actual script was put together by Jackson Miller who's had no work experience with Mass Effect prior, same for Evolution. No video game comic has been good; not the Halo, Silent Hill, Gears of War or Dead Space comics, Genesis was not unique in this manner.

That's a personal opinion

[InvaderErl]

I'm talking from a purely technical standpoint. If I had said that part SUCKED then that would be a personal opinion but the reality is with a minute change (specifically, Liara being able to interpret the visions from the start) I can render Feros and the Cipher irrelevant. That's not subjective, this isn't an issue of quality but of its actual mechanics within the plot, especially seeing as how the Thorian/Exo-Geni and Shiala make no impact outside of Feros.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 07 février 2011 - 03:06 .