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[sdc3536]

After seeing the new trailer and the Reapers attack I found myself asking this question. What was the point of the reapers having Sarus opening up the Citadel relay? I mean they were delayed in their plans but they still managed to get themselves into the galaxy just by flying there. Also, wouldnt have just flying to the galaxy without alerting everyone (i.e. the actions of sarus) and taking them by surprise have been the better option?

[Wolfknight581]

You're assuming from just what we saw at the trailer that they just flew directly to Earth and didn't have some other means of travel.



Actually that's a good point, that raises a giant hole in ME1 theory if they needed the Conduit.



Well Bioware has until December to pull themselves out of it.

[TexasToast712]

We still know next to nothing about the Reapers.



I say they have always had a backup plan.



I find it terrifying.

[Ship.wreck_]

We don't know how they got into the galaxy. It would have taken like 5 more 50,000yr cycles if they just flew in. Probably had a backup relay, but just really wanted to drop directly in on the center of galactic civilization at the Citadel.

EDIT
Hell, for all we know they did end up getting in through the Citadel and just fought their way to Earth. If you could call what should be such a one sided conflict a fight. Or maybe they got in through the Citadel and just B-lined it for Earth, which would be stupid.

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 13 décembre 2010 - 04:03 .

[Saren100]

sdc3536 wrote...

After seeing the new trailer and the Reapers attack I found myself asking this question. What was the point of the reapers having Sarus opening up the Citadel relay? I mean they were delayed in their plans but they still managed to get themselves into the galaxy just by flying there. Also, wouldnt have just flying to the galaxy without alerting everyone (i.e. the actions of sarus) and taking them by surprise have been the better option?

Umm its Saren not Sarus

Also flying takes many days longer then using a mass relay which is much more instant.

The reapers couldve used an uncharted relay near deep space and gotten to the arcturas relay within a day.

And the reason for the citadel relay was it was a huge trap the leaders of every empire before had set themselves up in the citadel it had always become the core of those prior civilizations and taking it out made things much more easier.

Also controlling the citadel ment they could lock out the other relays which screwed over any plans to reinforce the citadel or any other planet under attack.

Modifié par Saren100, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:01 .

[Luigitornado]

Surprise attack at the "heart" of the galactic community.



It's like baking a cake.

[Theoristitis]

It made a cycle so much more convenient. You get to obliterate the seat of government as well as most of the major players in the galactic scene, as well as probably some of the strongest galactic fleets. You get control of the relays, all of them. You get access to EVERY record in the galaxy, from the latest eezo shipment to the number of bullets the latest pistol mag can carry to the most recent research on Mnemosyne. It's not only cutting off the head of the galaxy, but it's also severing every connection in the spinal cord too.
Whereas if you just fly in, you'll decimate everybody, but eventually there will be coordinated resistance.
And it's the same place every time. You go in, spread out and kill, come back, retreat. Rinse and repeat (every 50k years).

EDIT: @luigitornado - best way I've ever seen it phrased:lol:

Modifié par Theoristitis, 13 décembre 2010 - 04:13 .

[Ship.wreck_]

They couldn't have made it this fast by flying in, it had to be a backup relay. And like I said we don't know that they didn't come in through the Citadel.

[ArcanistLibram]

Galactic government is immediately obliterated along with their military and the Reapers can use the citadel's census data to determine the most efficient way to destroy the galaxy.

[Northern Sun]

Do you know how tiring it is to fly all the way from dark-space to Earth with no rest-stops and the other Reapers being forced to listen to Harbinger the whole trip? The Citadel relay is much more convenient.

[xares23x]

Theoristitis wrote...

It made a cycle so much more convenient. You get to obliterate the seat of government as well as most of the major players in the galactic scene, as well as probably some of the strongest galactic fleets. You get control of the relays, all of them. You get access to EVERY record in the galaxy, from the latest eezo shipment to the number of bullets the latest pistol mag can carry to the most recent research on Mnemosyne. It's not only cutting off the head of the galaxy, but it's also severing every connection in the spinal cord too.
Whereas if you just fly in, you'll decimate everybody, but eventually there will be coordinated resistance.
And it's the same place every time. You go in, spread out and kill, come back, retreat. Rinse and repeat (every 50k years).

EDIT: @luigitornado - best way I've ever seen it phrased:lol:

this

but for a present example of this tatic just look at some of the attacks that have happened in the past 10  year in our own time .

al kada(i know that isnt right) attacked america world trade center in nyc which is our most populated city in the united states

The Pentagon is the headquarters of United state department of defense

they were going for the white house where the leader of the free world lives but brave passenger fought off that plane


America and allies attacked Baqdad Iraq there capital city


its as simple as if you take out the most important station first your more likly to win the smaller battles cause the enemy morale is down  plus if you take out the main place first you dont have to worry about the losses you may get in the smaller battle as the biggest battle has already been won

[SmokePants]

Without the relay putting the Reaper fleet right on top of it, they would not be able to overtake the Citadel before it has a chance to seal itself.

[AntiChri5]

They couldn't have made it this fast by flying in

And what do you base that on? We know next to nothing about Reaper engines.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Shock and Awe.



Imagine a thousand giant mechanical monstrosities appearing all around your capitol city. Inside your defenses. Pretty terrifying.

[Saren100]

AntiChri5 wrote...

They couldn't have made it this fast by flying in

And what do you base that on? We know next to nothing about Reaper engines.

But if you think about it since all modern Mass Effect tech is based off the reaper tech there engines are just a somewhat better version of the ones that the ME age ships have.

[Ship.wreck_]

AntiChri5 wrote...

They couldn't have made it this fast by flying in

And what do you base that on? We know next to nothing about Reaper engines.

If they could just fly in all willy nilly like that Sovereign wouldn't have died trying to activate a relay for them. They must be limited to the same physics restraints as us more or less or they wouldn't use relays at all.

[AntiChri5]

But if you think about it since all modern Mass Effect tech is based off the reaper tech there engines are just a somewhat better version of the ones that the ME age ships have.

Correction: Most modern ME tech is based off the reaper tech they wanted us to have

If they could just fly in all willy nilly like that Sovereign wouldn't have died trying to activate a relay for them. They must be limited to the same physics restraints as us more or less or they wouldn't use relays at all.

You seem to assume it is only a decision between what they can do and what they can't do.

Ignoring the other reasons raised for why the Reapers target the Citadel first, it is always simply going to be more efficient to use a relay to get there.

[Ship.wreck_]

AntiChri5 wrote...

But if you think about it since all modern Mass Effect tech is based off the reaper tech there engines are just a somewhat better version of the ones that the ME age ships have.

Correction: Most modern ME tech is based off the reaper tech they wanted us to have

If they could just fly in all willy nilly like that Sovereign wouldn't have died trying to activate a relay for them. They must be limited to the same physics restraints as us more or less or they wouldn't use relays at all.

You seem to assume it is only a decision between what they can do and what they can't do.
Ignoring the other reasons raised for why the Reapers target the Citadel first, it is always simply going to be more efficient to use a relay to get there.

You don't sacrifice yourself so your buddies can have a more CONVENIENT or efficient trip. Especially if you're a Reaper... in case you haven't noticed they're ARROGANT.

[Ship.wreck_]

AntiChri5 wrote...

But if you think about it since all modern Mass Effect tech is based off the reaper tech there engines are just a somewhat better version of the ones that the ME age ships have.

Correction: Most modern ME tech is based off the reaper tech they wanted us to have

If they could just fly in all willy nilly like that Sovereign wouldn't have died trying to activate a relay for them. They must be limited to the same physics restraints as us more or less or they wouldn't use relays at all.

You seem to assume it is only a decision between what they can do and what they can't do.
Ignoring the other reasons raised for why the Reapers target the Citadel first, it is always simply going to be more efficient to use a relay to get there.

You don't sacrifice yourself so your buddies can have a more convenient or efficient trip. Especially if you're a Reaper... in case you haven't noticed they're arrogant.

[AntiChri5]

You don't sacrifice yourself so your buddies can have a more CONVENIENT or efficient trip. Especially if you're a Reaper... in case you haven't noticed they're ARROGANT.

Point out where i mentioned them sacrificing themselves?

And when you go to war, you most certainly make plans which maximise effect while minimising investment. You plan efficiently.

[Psearo]

Like Blackwind said, Shock and Awe.

The Citadel was the direct route into the "heart" of an empire's ruling body. Cutting off the head, along with all communications and access to Mass Relays.
Remember, the Citadel was also the Reapers way of hamstringing travel by limiting Relay use to themselves.
It had to be done from the Citadel, to create a simultaneous "black out".

Protheans from Ilos put the first "wrench in the gears" with the Conduit and their alterations to the Keepers.

Reapers are machines. Efficient and meticulous machines.
For them not to have a series of back up plans to put into effect when needed, would possibly be one of the stupidest things ever.
That's what the Collectors were for. While they were safely tucked away from the rest of the Relay network, they could largely operate with impunity by only sending out one ship at a time. Until they killed Shepard, of course.

When their tried and tested (who knows how many times) first plan of invasion fails, they use a back up.
When the first back up fails, they go to another one.
They've had experience with prior civilisations that have caused them harm, aside from humans and other current races.
Protheans, and whomever it was that used an enormous mass driver to incapacitate a Reaper for however long it was until Cerberus found it.

They adapted accordingly to previous changes to their plans.
ME3 is either another adaption to plans, or a last resort option after waking up in Dark Space.

[008Zulu]

AntiChri5 wrote...

They couldn't have made it this fast by flying in

And what do you base that on? We know next to nothing about Reaper engines.

If they could cover such distances, they wouldnt have built the Mass Relays in the first place.

[Ship.wreck_]

AntiChri5 wrote...

You don't sacrifice yourself so your buddies can have a more CONVENIENT or efficient trip. Especially if you're a Reaper... in case you haven't noticed they're ARROGANT.

Point out where i mentioned them sacrificing themselves?
And when you go to war, you most certainly make plans which maximise effect while minimising investment. You plan efficiently.

You don't need to have mentioned it, it HAPPENED.

Sovereign died in an attempt to activate the Citadel relay, and spent months or more likely years possibly decades building forces to do that. you don't go through all that so your buddies can have a more convenient or efficient trip.

[rma2110]

I think being unable to use the citadel relay means that reapers have lost a great advantage. Sure, they can cover such distances but it cost them greatly. Maybe a smaller or weakened fleet? It may be the diffrence between a large coordinated full scale invasion and being forced to rely on smaller groups.

Modifié par rma2110, 13 décembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[EffectedByTheMasses]

maybe the Reapers may have used the citadel relay mainly to have the advantage of surprise.