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[BlazingSpeed]

Edited, read halfway through the Abominable Wynne topic dang I had no idea now I don't feel so bad about Morrigan telling Wynne off like she did in that 2nd playthrough I do want to actually bring Wynne along with my party with Oghren which I have never done before that and a CE playthrough.

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 14 décembre 2010 - 12:30 .

[Asepsis]

Even with her occasional holier than thou attitude, I do like Wynne!



So I support her! I like playing her as an arcane warrior.

[errant_knight]

I'm very fond of Wynne. I like the way she stands up for the things and people she believes in, including Alistair. I like the way she acknowledges her past mistakes and tries to learn from them. I like the way she's completely upfront about getting on in years, or being a mage, not equalling sexless. Personally, I thought her advice was good. If I'd taken it more seriously in my first playthrough, I would have had fewer unpleasant surprises. She's a person who maybe old, but clearly is still a younger woman at heart, rather than a stereotypical 'old lady.' She's also good and brave which is awesome in my books.

[Face of Evil]

Reaverwind wrote...

I don't find Wynne's advice sage or sound. It's the equivalent of telling a RL soldier or even someone with terminal illness they need to push everyone away because death is in their future. Utter BS.

Few terminally ill people or soliders are tasked with singlehandedly saving an entire country (and possibly the entire world) from a horde of monsters.

Considering the importance of your task and the good chance that you're going to die, is it really such a bad thing for someone to say "Keep your mind on the task at hand, Warden"?

And it's not like she doesn't apologize for her comment. That's the important thing.
 

Reaverwind wrote...

You're not being selfish caring for someone, and your character certainly isn't forcing his/her love interest to care for him/her in return.

Did she say your character was forcing their love interest into a relationship? No, she didn't.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:23 .

[Face of Evil]

Perhaps you're correct; to use a D&D expression, I played a Chaotic Good character and generally got along pretty well with Wynne.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 04:42 .

[Zjarcal]

Glaucon wrote...

There might be something in the fact that those who appreciate Wynne were generally playing good characters --based on those contributing to the thread.

I'm sorry, but this has NOTHING to do with what one thinks of Wynne.

[Ryzaki]

^Indeed pragmatic characters can hate the "darker" companions just off personality. That's all it takes

[Esbatty]

Alright people question time: Wynne - Sexy mage or Sexiest mage?

[Zjarcal]

You crack me up Esbatty!!!



But no... neither.

[Esbatty]

Zjarcal wrote...

You crack me up Esbatty!!!

But no... neither.

*tears* my mighty heart is broken...

Concept Art Time!

[Sherbet Lemon]

I always wanted to start a thread like this, but I was always afraid. Wynne doesn't seem to be too popular around here, but I actually really like her. Even my disagreeable Dalish elf grew to respect her. Thanks for starting this thread, OP!



My favorite Wynne moment has to be the banter between her and Aistair in Return to Ostagar, followed by her story about the Grey Wardens, the one that is allegory for sacrifice. Probably not a popular for sure, but I respect that notion of selflessness she tries to impart upon the Warden.



Aaand, I would have to vote just sexy mage. The sexiest mage in my book belongs to Petra

[Ryzaki]

She looks bad ass in that concept art. Then again everyone did.

[Ninotchka]

errant_knight wrote...

I'm very fond of Wynne. I like the way she stands up for the things and people she believes in, including Alistair. I like the way she acknowledges her past mistakes and tries to learn from them. I like the way she's completely upfront about getting on in years, or being a mage, not equalling sexless. Personally, I thought her advice was good. If I'd taken it more seriously in my first playthrough, I would have had fewer unpleasant surprises. She's a person who maybe old, but clearly is still a younger woman at heart, rather than a stereotypical 'old lady.' She's also good and brave which is awesome in my books.

this - I love Wynne!

Although today I was playing and got distracted by my cat, inadvertently pressed the wrong dialogue selection with Cullen (just before the fight in the Harrowing Chamber with Uldred) and she turned on me   so quickly!  Ayeee karumbah!

[Face of Evil]

Esbatty wrote...

Alright people question time: Wynne - Sexy mage or Sexiest mage?

Tough call, but I'll just say "sexy mage." Morrigan still has her beat, and I'm quite partial to Velanna's looks.

Make no mistake, though, if Wynne were 20 years younger, she'd blow them away.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:25 .

[IanPolaris]

ejoslin wrote...

well, it's an interesting thing as it's fully in the toolset -- no note as to why it was cut either. My guess as to why it was cut has more to do with decisions made regarding the requirements for the landsmeet than Sheryl Cree deciding that actually was NOT in character.

The problem is, when it's restored, if you fail the persuade checks, you end up killing both the templars and mages. If the decision was made later that all the treaties had to be done before moving on (which I believe it was), you're stuck. It would just make for a bit more coding work to have it work with both the templars and mages not fighting, and they ran out of resources. There are other things left out because of this (especially with Loghain).

I can confirm this.  Furthermore with by just reactivating a couple of flags at the end of the bloodmage confrontation, you can get the game to correctly run, correctly handle the entire rest of the game including the Landsmeet, and not have either the Mages or Templars for the final battle.  This in addition to the fact that the bloodmage confrontation is listed in no less than the official PRIMA guide tells me that until very late, this scene was meant to go forward and as such it's very fair to use it to judge Wynne's character.  [Hint: Flage "All Mages Dead" and "Quest Complete" after the bloodmage confrontation via console and the game will finish correctly.]

Quite honestly the entire bloodmage confrontation scene fits perfectly into Wynne's character since she reveals herself to be a self-rightous hypocrit not just there but several other points in the game.  These include:

1.  When you first meet her in the tower, if you start listening to Morrigan's advice, Wynne ignores the welfare of the children, calls Morrigan a "dangerous apostate' and tries to kill you right then and there.

Hypocrit.  What was this about "protecting the children" eh?

2.  Wynne makes a big deal about how the Grey Wardens are great and good and how the Darkspawn are an elemental threat to all of Thedas, yet when you dare pour a little blood into a vase of the ashes of a dead woman (to paraphrase Sten) she goes balistic on you and tries to kill you then and there saying "let the darkspawn take you".  Leaving in a huff I could understand.  Killing the last hope of Fereldan....not so much.

3.  Wynne clearly has no desire to stay in the circle but if you are a mage, she INSISTS that you should return to the circle and that is your rightful place.

4. She goes balistic at any mentions of blood magic or abominations, but is an abomination herself.

Inus (in Awakenings) has Wynne pegged perfectly and in conjunction with above, I think it's very fair to judge Wynne by the Bloodmage scene.

Frankly I despise her and even my good characters either knife her in the tower or don't take her (Morrigan makes a perfectly good spirit healer).  Since I do despise her and this is a fan thread, I'll bow out of future discussions here unless directly responded to.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Ninotchka wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I'm very fond of Wynne. I like the way she stands up for the things and people she believes in, including Alistair. I like the way she acknowledges her past mistakes and tries to learn from them. I like the way she's completely upfront about getting on in years, or being a mage, not equalling sexless. Personally, I thought her advice was good. If I'd taken it more seriously in my first playthrough, I would have had fewer unpleasant surprises. She's a person who maybe old, but clearly is still a younger woman at heart, rather than a stereotypical 'old lady.' She's also good and brave which is awesome in my books.

this - I love Wynne!

Although today I was playing and got distracted by my cat, inadvertently pressed the wrong dialogue selection with Cullen (just before the fight in the Harrowing Chamber with Uldred) and she turned on me   so quickly!  Ayeee karumbah!

Indeed.  She is a hypocrit with poor impulse control.  Notice that once you get up there and you DON'T use the Litany of Adralla (condeming the circle to death), Wynne doesn't go hostile and doesn't say a peep....and even sticks around afterwards EVEN if you are a bloodmage (and unlike when you save Irving, she won't even try to rat you out to Gregoire if you KILL the circle but will if you SAVE it).

-Polaris

P.S.  Sorry, and this is my final word.  Just saw it after my prior post.

[Face of Evil]

Village Idiot wrote...

I always wanted to start a thread like this, but I was always afraid. Wynne doesn't seem to be too popular around here, but I actually really like her. Even my disagreeable Dalish elf grew to respect her. Thanks for starting this thread, OP!

She doesn't rank high on a lot of people's "favourite party member" lists, but that's because those surveys are biased towards the four love interests. I think if you were to ask people to rank their favourite party members from least favourite to most, Wynne would score pretty highly.

[Ryzaki]

Any good character wouldn't knife an old woman. So much for nobility and justice.

[IanPolaris]

Ryzaki wrote...

Any good character wouldn't knife an old woman. So much for nobility and justice.

(delurk...sorry)  They would if the old woman tries to knife them first.  In the cases I mention, Wynne attacks YOU and does so unprovoked at that even in the presence of children.  (IE if Wynne figures out that Morrigan is an apostate, she will attack you even though it puts the children in mortal peril).

-Polaris

[nos_astra]

Unprovoked? I thought she attacked if you tell her you will support the templars (something that will lead to the death of the children).

[Face of Evil]

Wynne attacks you for agreeing with Morrigan that the mages should not be saved. That's hardly unprovoked.



But I really don't want to debate this with you, Polaris. So please do not reply to my post.

klarabella wrote...

Unprovoked? I thought she attacked if you tell her you will support the templars (something that will lead to the death of the children).

You are correct. However, Polaris has an axe to grind against all the mean people — Wynne included — who oppress those poor ol' blood mages. Don't get into it with him.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[IanPolaris]

klarabella wrote...

Unprovoked? I thought she attacked if you tell her you will support the templars (something that will lead to the death of the children).

She will if you say that to be sure, but if you agree to help Wynne, Morri will speak up and talk about how the Mages cage themselves.  If you show even the slightest agreement for this statement, Wynne calls Morrigan an apostate and declares you will get past her past her dead body.  She most definately does an unprovoked attack.

-Polaris