Zjarcal wrote...
Lenimph wrote...
I have been in love with Wynne ever since RTO... I don't really understand the hate some people have towards her.
Anyway that was my two cents *goes back to lurking*
Just for that, no fun time tonight.
Why did I know that was going to happen...
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maxernst wrote...
But honestly, they don't. You don't see a pile of Alistair-hate in the Alistair gush thread, for example, though there's plenty of Alistair hate elsewhere.
Modifié par IanPolaris, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:12 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Really though the RTO dialogue never bothered me. I find it weird people get upset about it.
Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:20 .
Face of Evil wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Really though the RTO dialogue never bothered me. I find it weird people get upset about it.
I suspect it's because Alistair and Wynne have this grandmother-grandson dynamic and Wynne hitting on Alistair looks creepy in that light, even if it's not really serious. Also, some of his fangirls are very hissy about other women finding him attractive.
Just remember the scandal over Alistair hooking up with Leliana in The Darkspawn Chronicles.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:42 .
Modifié par Zjarcal, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:40 .
Zjarcal wrote...
Ah, NVMD.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHARyzaki wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
Ah, NVMD.
Please tell me this wasn't in defense of the "he's mine!" I beg of you...
Ryzaki wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
Ah, NVMD.
Please tell me this wasn't in defense of the "he's mine!" I beg of you...
Zjarcal wrote...
What?
It wasn't related to any of your posts so no need to beg...
I was bringing up a post from page three an decided it was better to not do it.
Anyway, I do have a question for the Wynne supporters (I'm encouraging discussion, not trolling). If the blood mage scene was included in the game, or if a writer came in and confirmed that the scene is in character, what would your thoughts on it be? Would it change your opinion of Wynne, even if it was only a small change?
Zjarcal wrote...
Anyway, I do have a question for the Wynne supporters (I'm encouraging discussion, not trolling). If the blood mage scene was included in the game, or if a writer came in and confirmed that the scene is in character, what would your thoughts on it be? Would it change your opinion of Wynne, even if it was only a small change?
Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:03 .
See, it's not really about your take on the character. It's whether you're willing to let people who DO like the character have a place to discuss that without trying to spoil that.IanPolaris wrote...
maxernst wrote...
But honestly, they don't. You don't see a pile of Alistair-hate in the Alistair gush thread, for example, though there's plenty of Alistair hate elsewhere.
The difference is that Alister never tries to kill you and never tries to hose over the party. At his very worst (and Alistair gets plenty of criticism for this), he can not seperate what it means to be a Grey Warden from his intense hatred of Logain. The only other time Alister really goes against what you want is if you are a Female Warden in love with him and you make him king.
Compare that with Wynne who (potentially) is ready to kill you not once, not twice, butthreefour times in the circle tower alone let along her reaction to the Urn of Sacred Ashes (including the deactivated but still present bloodmage confrontation scene).
There is no other character as willing to sacrifice Ferelden to the blight to satisfy her petty morality than Wynne. Just a fact and IMHO that's why she gets so much hate-mail.
-Polaris
Face of Evil wrote...
So … I take it you two are into … poetry?
Modifié par Zjarcal, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:07 .
I'll have to look back at the thread and see what you're talking about (can't do it now, have to go out), but hey, if it's something against blood magic, you already know the answer.Face of Evil wrote...
So … I take it you two are into … poetry?
Anyways, what was this thread about? Oh right, Wynne. What's something else to say about Wynne …?Zjarcal wrote...
Anyway, I do have a question for the Wynne supporters (I'm encouraging discussion, not trolling). If the blood mage scene was included in the game, or if a writer came in and confirmed that the scene is in character, what would your thoughts on it be? Would it change your opinion of Wynne, even if it was only a small change?
No, it wouldn't. I'm vehemently against blood magic and I agree with her anti-blood magic stance.
Heh. For others who haven't been party to discussions between Zjarcal and I, I'm not a fan of blood magic.
Zjarcal wrote...
Face of Evil wrote...
So … I take it you two are into … poetry?
Me and Leni... yeah, we like poetry.
@Ryzaki
Fair enough, I was just a bit puzzled by the "he's mine" thing since I really had no idea what it was about.
And thanks for the reply about the blood mage scene.
Zjarcal wrote...
Even if a blood mage saves your life?
errant_knight wrote...
For others who haven't been party to discussions between Zjarcal and I, I'm not a fan of blood magic.
Modifié par Face of Evil, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:16 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Anyways to other Wynne lovers: I heardabout the Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer what's your favorite armor/weapons for her? I might give it a whirl in my next playthrough (my current one is already a SP/BM)
Zjarcal wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Anyways to other Wynne lovers: I heardabout the Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer what's your favorite armor/weapons for her? I might give it a whirl in my next playthrough (my current one is already a SH/BM)
You made Wynne a Blood Mage?
Modifié par errant_knight, 14 décembre 2010 - 11:25 .
IanPolaris wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
well, it's an interesting thing as it's fully in the toolset -- no note as to why it was cut either. My guess as to why it was cut has more to do with decisions made regarding the requirements for the landsmeet than Sheryl Cree deciding that actually was NOT in character.
The problem is, when it's restored, if you fail the persuade checks, you end up killing both the templars and mages. If the decision was made later that all the treaties had to be done before moving on (which I believe it was), you're stuck. It would just make for a bit more coding work to have it work with both the templars and mages not fighting, and they ran out of resources. There are other things left out because of this (especially with Loghain).
I can confirm this. Furthermore with by just reactivating a couple of flags at the end of the bloodmage confrontation, you can get the game to correctly run, correctly handle the entire rest of the game including the Landsmeet, and not have either the Mages or Templars for the final battle. This in addition to the fact that the bloodmage confrontation is listed in no less than the official PRIMA guide tells me that until very late, this scene was meant to go forward and as such it's very fair to use it to judge Wynne's character. [Hint: Flage "All Mages Dead" and "Quest Complete" after the bloodmage confrontation via console and the game will finish correctly.]
Quite honestly the entire bloodmage confrontation scene fits perfectly into Wynne's character since she reveals herself to be a self-rightous hypocrit not just there but several other points in the game. These include:
1. When you first meet her in the tower, if you start listening to Morrigan's advice, Wynne ignores the welfare of the children, calls Morrigan a "dangerous apostate' and tries to kill you right then and there.
Hypocrit. What was this about "protecting the children" eh?
2. Wynne makes a big deal about how the Grey Wardens are great and good and how the Darkspawn are an elemental threat to all of Thedas, yet when you dare pour a little blood into a vase of the ashes of a dead woman (to paraphrase Sten) she goes balistic on you and tries to kill you then and there saying "let the darkspawn take you". Leaving in a huff I could understand. Killing the last hope of Fereldan....not so much.
3. Wynne clearly has no desire to stay in the circle but if you are a mage, she INSISTS that you should return to the circle and that is your rightful place.
4. She goes balistic at any mentions of blood magic or abominations, but is an abomination herself.
Inus (in Awakenings) has Wynne pegged perfectly and in conjunction with above, I think it's very fair to judge Wynne by the Bloodmage scene.
Frankly I despise her and even my good characters either knife her in the tower or don't take her (Morrigan makes a perfectly good spirit healer). Since I do despise her and this is a fan thread, I'll bow out of future discussions here unless directly responded to.
-Polaris
BlazingSpeed wrote...
Does Wynne have any other dialog taken out besides the BM encounter?
sleepingbelow wrote...
Sabariel wrote...
An abomination is what happens when a demon possesses a human or an
elf (or a mage). What evidence is there exactly that Wynne was possessed
by a demon? She shows no signs of demonic possession.
Well, there was the time she went all super saiyan during that darkspawn ambush. But that was sort of cool.
Anyway, I think the logic goes: if a spirit attempts to enter the mortal world through a mortal, it is a demon.
So, blah blah blah, if a demon occupies a mortal's body, they are possessed. There is a spirit in Wynne. Blah blah.
The practical definition of a demon in DA really seems to be any spirit that is interested in getting up in your fleshy grill.
However, the spirits that are not demons are, in fact, benevolent. There are spirits of Compassion, Justice, Valor
and Fortitude, among others. Unlike demons, these benevolent spirits
do not wish to cross the veil, and their benevolence does not mean that
they will go out of their way to help the mortal world. However, if
someone such as a Spirit Healer does summon them, they will try to help.
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