This is something that's been bugging me since the end of ME2, and now that it's confirmed I've got a little bit of "how the f*@(?!" gnawing on the back of my brain like an angry Lamprey. And no, when I say "here" I don't just mean Earth.
When last seen, the Reapers were shown heading for the Galaxy. They could see the ENTIRE galaxy from where they were. That's a really fracking far distance away, and as such, without the Relay activated it would take them a long time to get here. Logically, they shouldn't even make it to the Galaxy itself until the peoples of the Milky Way had started forgetting about them, let alone arriving when Shepard was still ALIVE (Which is another good question. The Reapers are effectively immortal, couldn't they just wait another 70 years for Shepard to die naturally? Or is something going on that necessitates them arriving NOW?).
So my question is how... HOW did the Reapers get not just to Earth but into the Milky Way ITSELF so bloody fast? Another backup relay? Super-fast Warp Drives? Hyperspace? Teleportation? I am really, REALLY hoping for an explination for this, otherwise it'll be a pretty bad plot hole for such a hard sci-fi game.
How did the Reapers get here so fast?
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Chessrook44
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 12:56
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Chessrook44 wrote...
This is something that's been bugging me since the end of ME2, and now that it's confirmed I've got a little bit of "how the f*@(?!" gnawing on the back of my brain like an angry Lamprey. And no, when I say "here" I don't just mean Earth.
When last seen, the Reapers were shown heading for the Galaxy. They could see the ENTIRE galaxy from where they were. That's a really fracking far distance away, and as such, without the Relay activated it would take them a long time to get here. Logically, they shouldn't even make it to the Galaxy itself until the peoples of the Milky Way had started forgetting about them, let alone arriving when Shepard was still ALIVE (Which is another good question. The Reapers are effectively immortal, couldn't they just wait another 70 years for Shepard to die naturally? Or is something going on that necessitates them arriving NOW?).
So my question is how... HOW did the Reapers get not just to Earth but into the Milky Way ITSELF so bloody fast? Another backup relay? Super-fast Warp Drives? Hyperspace? Teleportation? I am really, REALLY hoping for an explination for this, otherwise it'll be a pretty bad plot hole for such a hard sci-fi game.
I would guess they need organics as a sort of fuel. It is only a plot device really so don't ask me why. Anyway they seem to feed on them then go back to darkspace and return when they need more fuel. So seems they are running out and have no more time to waste. I think the protheans already screwed with the citadel mass relay so they were late already at the point of ME1, so they were desperate enough to send Nazara into a frontal assault on the Citadel. My guess is they are running out of fuel, and time. Also there is no guarantee that people like TIM and organisations like Cerberus who are quite aware of the Reapers don't keep working on better ways to stop them. Another point is that the Reapers don't want to let the civilisations advance too much since it makes it harder for them to wipe them out.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 12:57
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They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 12:59
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We don't know how they got here, but at the moment we don't have enough information to rule out the "they flew" option, since we have absolutely no info on the Reapers capabilities in this field.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:00
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I imagened they hitched a ride with the nearest spacefaring giant whale (what, they don't exist here? Then I guess they took another way.)
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:03
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I would also like to point out that we don't know what part of the game that is at. If Shepard is over the earth already (as insinuated with the last scene), he has had time enough to gather the army. I am going to say that is a scene towards the end of the game.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:04
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They took a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:05
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I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general. From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy. The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.AntiChri5 wrote...
We don't know how they got here, but at the moment we don't have enough information to rule out the "they flew" option, since we have absolutely no info on the Reapers capabilities in this field.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:08
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My guess is that there is another relay connecting to Dark Space.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:09
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Chessrook44 wrote...
I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general. From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy. The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.AntiChri5 wrote...
We don't know how they got here, but at the moment we don't have enough information to rule out the "they flew" option, since we have absolutely no info on the Reapers capabilities in this field.
They may have a relay out of reach of the civilized worlds, which they could also use in case something happened to the citadel relay. Sort of a plan B, executed if plan A fails.
Edit: Ninja'd. Good thinking Batman.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:10
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Or.... they have another means of travel which is pretty fast, but slower than the relays.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:13
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Oh which brings me another idea, what if the relay was hidden close to our solar system. Would kinda explain why they would hit Earth first.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:16
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2 years? I never heard about this.DarthCaine wrote...
They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:16
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I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general. From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy. The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.
But we have absolutely no information on the top speed of a grumpy Reaper. None. At all. Completely ruling out the possibility that the giant cthulu roboships which invented the relays have means of travel we don't understand or can't imagine seems premature.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:18
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What, you mean like, portable relays inside their own bodies that lets them go anywhere they want instantly? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. God-like beings the Reapers may be they still need to obey the laws of physics.AntiChri5 wrote...
But we have absolutely no information on the top speed of a grumpy Reaper. None. At all. Completely ruling out the possibility that the giant cthulu roboships which invented the relays have means of travel we don't understand or can't imagine seems premature.I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general. From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy. The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:18
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I still bet on a hidden Mass Relay on Uranus. Should of probed it harder.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:21
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What if each one could operate as a small relay?
Kind of like the minor relays that could travel anywhere (not just to another relay) but with a limited range?
They seem big enough, and the Codex indicates that they have to have a "massive eezo core" to do what they can do.
Kind of like the minor relays that could travel anywhere (not just to another relay) but with a limited range?
They seem big enough, and the Codex indicates that they have to have a "massive eezo core" to do what they can do.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:24
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Well the Mass Effect drives have adjustable gravity wells correct? They could easily build one or deploy one and then use it to jump, I am sure its not too far beyond thought. Besides, I doubt the reapers just wait in darkspace without anything of theres built around them, the are very self centered.Chessrook44 wrote...
What, you mean like, portable relays inside their own bodies that lets them go anywhere they want instantly? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. God-like beings the Reapers may be they still need to obey the laws of physics.AntiChri5 wrote...
But we have absolutely no information on the top speed of a grumpy Reaper. None. At all. Completely ruling out the possibility that the giant cthulu roboships which invented the relays have means of travel we don't understand or can't imagine seems premature.I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general. From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy. The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:24
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What, you mean like, portable relays inside their own bodies that lets them go anywhere they want instantly? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. God-like beings the Reapers may be they still need to obey the laws of physics.
Is it any more absurd than their indoctrination signal?
We don't know what kind of loop holes the Reapers could exploit, at one point everyone one on the world was insisting that it would not be possible to travel with the speed we do regularly.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:24
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DarthCaine wrote...
They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.
In ME1 they have been waiting in hybernation for the *spoiler* to activate. They would be stuck in the empty space beyond the galaxy if their plan failed, that is what the whole first game was about. Obviously they don't have the resources to travel all the way, or they would have done so from the beginning of the cycle. So they must have found a new way in ME3. But simply "flying" there would be a giant plot hole.
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:24
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Well, I think it's kind of possible for creations (creatures?) like them. They have tremedouse ME-cores and if they gain the light speed fast enough why can't they reach the nearest mass reley?
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:24
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Still don't get why they can't just fly here...You are talking about a universe with FTL remember?
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Posté 13 décembre 2010 - 01:28
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Yes, but then, their main method of getting here via FTL was cut off. We're trying to figure out how they got here when their main route was stopped.Irzhen wrote...
Still don't get why they can't just fly here...You are talking about a universe with FTL remember?
