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[Irzhen]

Vena_86 wrote...

In ME1 they have been waiting for the *spoiler* to activate. Otherwise they would be stuck in the empty space beyond the galaxy. Obviously they don't have the resources to travel all the way, or they would have done so from the beginning of the cycle.

They been waiting doesn't mean they don't have the resources. They can have the resources and being waiting because they won't have to spend it on travel if they can just use *spoiler*. It would make sense, if there is a faster and cheaper way of doing something, you wouldn't make the hard and expensive way while the first is possible.

[Irzhen]

Chessrook44 wrote...

Yes, but then, their main method of getting here via FTL was cut off.  We're trying to figure out how they got here when their main route was stopped.

FTL does not require a relay.
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

Modifié par Irzhen, 13 décembre 2010 - 01:32 .

[Chessrook44]

Actually, the mentioning of using another Reaper as a sort of relay is kinda interesting (and spawns amusing ideas of one lone reaper left in dark space twiddling its tentacles while the others go have fun) or even deconstructing one and building a new Relay could work... were it not for the fact that there's no other end. It's like sending something out without something to slow it down at the other end, or rolling a golf ball down a fairway of a par-five hole at the hole with a cannon. And no way to stop it.

[Nightodie]

Chessrook44 wrote...

Actually, the mentioning of using another Reaper as a sort of relay is kinda interesting (and spawns amusing ideas of one lone reaper left in dark space twiddling its tentacles while the others go have fun) or even deconstructing one and building a new Relay could work... were it not for the fact that there's no other end. It's like sending something out without something to slow it down at the other end, or rolling a golf ball down a fairway of a par-five hole at the hole with a cannon. And no way to stop it.

This is an interesting concept, the Reapers using themselves as relays.  What if they had a relay near the collector's base, we don't know that they don't.  One that could connect to the Omega four relay?

[AntiChri5]

Actually, the mentioning of using another Reaper as a sort of relay is kinda interesting (and spawns amusing ideas of one lone reaper left in dark space twiddling its tentacles while the others go have fun) or even deconstructing one and building a new Relay could work... were it not for the fact that there's no other end. It's like sending something out without something to slow it down at the other end, or rolling a golf ball down a fairway of a par-five hole at the hole with a cannon. And no way to stop it.

They could already have a "just in case we need to resort to this...." mega cushion constructed in a secluded corner of the galaxy. Then they just bounce off that.

[NICKjnp]

Element Zero...the excuse for everything in the ME universe.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 13 décembre 2010 - 01:48 .

[Dionkey]

NICKjnp wrote...

Element Zero...the excuse for everything in the ME universe.

This guy

[Weskerr]

Spooky "dark energy." ooooooooooOOOOOOOOooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarthCaine]

Vena_86 wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.

In ME1 they have been waiting in hybernation for the *spoiler* to activate. They would be stuck in the empty space beyond the galaxy if their plan failed, that is what the whole first game was about. Obviously they don't have the resources to travel all the way, or they would have done so from the beginning of the cycle. So they must have found a new way in ME3. But simply "flying" there would be a giant plot hole.  

No, it wouldn't. The point of the Citadel Relay is to wipe out the whole fleet in one single surprise attack. By just flying to our galaxy they'd have a much bigger fight on their hands

[Saren100]

Im not seeing any relays in their path

[Fallout_IX]

They built the mass relays and the citadel is it that hard to believe they could have found a short cut into the galaxy?

[Weskerr]

All we know for certain is that the Reapers have been trying to find the next best option to get to the galaxy next to activating the Citadel Mass Relay. As the Collector Base is being destroyed, Harbinger says "We will find another way." Going by the recent trailer, they did find another way.

[Kidd]

Humans can travel FTL, obviously Reapers can too. And they're probably a damn load faster than we are at it, too.



But wasting resources kinda sucks, hence they prefer using shortcuts. But when no shortcut is to be found and a galaxy needs to be reaped before it's too late... fire up your engines

[Alithinos]

Dionkey wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.

2 years? I never heard about this.

BioWare placed the events of ME2 two years later than the events of ME1,because ME2 took 2 years to come out after ME1.
They did that to make the world of the game seem more alive and believable.
So I assume that the other poster assumed that BioWare will do the same with ME3.

[Vena_86]

Fallout_IX wrote...

They built the mass relays and the citadel is it that hard to believe they could have found a short cut into the galaxy?

Uhm...they have a short cut into the galaxy. You even mentioned it your self. Mass Effect 1 was about that short cut and how you prevent them from using it.

If they have super drives, powered by dark energie they would not have needed the short cut in the first place. Waiting 6 or 60 more years does not matter to them. And when they have this kind of technology they could still take out the largest part of the fleet and government in a single surprise attack, they wouldn't need the *spoiler* for that.

Once I realized what was at stake and how the protheans where eliminated but with their last breath found a way to stop the cycle to happen again it gave me massive goose bumps. The final hours of Mass Effect where incredible epic because of the presentation and specially because of the story and it's implications.

If all you did in Mass Effect was making the Reapers say "aww ok, now we need to fly 4 more years to get there, dang" it would make the first game appear so much less epic and somewhat pointless.

[AlexXIV]

Basically using the citadel relay is like cutting the head off with minimal effort. Nobody would expect them to come and whoops, out of nowhere a fleet of Reapers. They kill the council and with that break the alliance so every race it on itself, they cut off the mass relays, so they fight their enemy taking down one after the other as in opposite to giving the enemy the chance to band together. Basically it was their cheat program, which is now gone. Now they have to fight on more fair terms, even though I suspect they are still far more powerful than the whole collection of civilisations of the galaxy. So it will still be on Shepard to find out how to stop the Reapers for good.

I hope that also answers the questing why they got there 'so fast'. It was still alot slower than intended, but obviously in their means to be faster than any known technology would allow.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 décembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[Acturas]

Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

There is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Bioware;)

[Netzach]

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Charon_Relay



That.

[DarthCaine]

Dionkey wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

They have super advanced technology. And besides, ME3 takes place at least 2 years after ME2. And it's safe to say that the Reapers have been traveling since ME1.

2 years? I never heard about this.

Retribution and Inqusition take place 1 year after ME2 and there's no Reapers, so it's safe to assume that ME3 is set at least 2 years after ME2

[JRCHOharry]

Fallout_IX wrote...

They built the mass relays and the citadel is it that hard to believe they could have found a short cut into the galaxy?

The Citadel was their shortcut into the galaxy.

[L1ghtning-Donuts]

NICKjnp wrote...

Element Zero...the excuse for everything in the ME universe.

Exactly! Eezo equals element zero drive core and as stated before the super crustaceans have massive cores, so massive it allowed sovereign to land on a planets surface whilst dreadnoughts a fraction the size do not have the capability to land; consequently codex mentions a relationship between size eezO core and ftl speeds. Chances are if the reapers surpass galactic drive tech to land on a planet while hauling a giant load they can probably reach phenomenal ftl speeds that plus and estimated 5 years of travel could be the solution

ME1-ME2 2 years
Time frame of ME2 6mnths?
If I'm not mistaken retribution takes placE a year post omega Four mission and no reaper invssion has commenced

Total 4-5 years

[rwilli80]

Anyone consider that each Reaper has a gateway built into it? Now I am not saying they should be jumping right into the middle of Citadel space, but what if they have small jump gates or something like that? I know its just speculation but its possible, if they built the gates why not incorporate that tech into their own bodies?

[Welsh Inferno]

Haestrom's sun anyone?

[Legbiter]

Chtulu dreadnoughts laugh at your physics.

[Googlesaurus]

Chessrook44 wrote...

I'd have to rule out the "They Flew" option on the basis of physics in general.  From the view shown, the reapers were dozens, if not hundereds of light years away from the galaxy.  The Relays would be able to get them here pretty quickly, but without the Relays there's NO way that they can get here without breaking the laws of physics, unless the whole "We see the whole galaxy" thing was artistic license and they're really much closer.

Uh, FTL flight and mass effect fields break the laws of physics on a daily basis.