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[AlexXIV]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Or are we just supposed to be lemmings who expect different results despite absolutley no evidence to the contrary...what I do find funny is that somehow I am in the wrong for objecting to pre-ordering a game and have it broken for half a year while Bioware does nothing about it...its not like I made Awakening a broken game or Witch hunt for that matter...

Well you come across like someone who is disappointed with Awakenings and Witch Hunt. Which is ok, but the correct forum to complain is the DA forum, not the DA2 forum. I guess you know that though, so you ask if DA2 will be bugged to so it is a DA2 related question.

Just that such questions cannot be answered for several reasons. One being that they are still polishing the game. Which includes routing bugs. And how is anyone on earth supposed to know how many bugs will be in the game on the 8th of March? So it is a question that cannot even be answered which kinda puts it in the category 'flamebait'.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 décembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[Atakuma]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

So I should assume that despite every DA product released in 2010 being broken and having terrible support that DA II (despite a short development cycle) will be a okay because hey its DA2

It had some major bugs but saying it was released broken is just wrong.

[Maria Caliban]

AlexXIV wrote...

You apologize for our immaturity and then you tell him lies to face. I am not sure what to make of that.

I see you're in a fine mood today.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, I imagine the question is similar to signing up to the official website of a professional boxer you're a fan of and asking them if they're not going to get their ass kicked in the next fight because that really put you off.

/hasn't preordered yet

Perhaps, but I don't see his concern as having any less merit than the other dozen or so floating around the forum that net 20+ pages of serious replies.

[AlexXIV]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Atakuma wrote...
Once you install the game, your computer will punch you in the face and steal your wallet.

I sent that bug, but got it back marked "Works as Designed".

Nice to see that the bad quality and state of the recent games/dlc  upon release does not get a serious answer...wait that actually does answer my question..thanks...

Well you don't seriously expect a serious answer to a question like 'Is Dragon Age II going to work when it is released?

I mean ... seriously ...

well before Awakening and Witch Hunt, I did not expect to have to ask...seriously

Well this is the DA2 Forum though, not DA:O or DA:A. And do you expect any of the Devs come here and tell you no it will be broken and bugridden? Of course it will work, maybe not without any bugs, but tell me one game without bugs.

g

So I should assume that despite every DA product released in 2010 being broken and having terrible support that DA II (despite a short development cycle) will be a okay because hey its DA2

See? We were right. You are here to rant. /thread

[bluewolv1970]

David Gaider wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...
Nice to see that the bad quality and state of the recent games/dlc  upon release does not get a serious answer...wait that actually does answer my question..thanks...

You expect a serious answer to a rhetorical question?

well with all do respect. it wasn't a rhetorical question if asked about either Awakening or Witch Hunt....so yeah maybe a comment such as yes, because of the problems with Awakening and Witch Hunt we have increased/changed or quality control standards, and while we cannot guarantee no bugs, we can say it will be in a better state than awakening was...you sound as though we should have no such concerns or that the most recent product released came out in tip top shape with no major issues...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 13 décembre 2010 - 08:58 .

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

You apologize for our immaturity and then you tell him lies to face. I am not sure what to make of that.

I see you're in a fine mood today.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, I imagine the question is similar to signing up to the official website of a professional boxer you're a fan of and asking them if they're not going to get their ass kicked in the next fight because that really put you off.

/hasn't preordered yet

Perhaps, but I don't see his concern as having any less merit than the other dozen or so floating around the forum that net 20+ pages of serious replies.

Aww I wasn't serious. I meant it in a nice way. I swear.

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Perhaps, but I don't see his concern as having any less merit than the other dozen or so floating around the forum that net 20+ pages of serious replies.

*shrug*

It's a valid concern but it's not really a useful question.  But like you said, there's a lot of those on the forums. 

[Itkovian]

Dragon Age 2 will work on release, but it will be bugged.

If it's software, it's got bugs. The bad ones will be fixed in subsequent patches. That's how it works, and expecting better is quite unrealistic.

Itkovian

[bluewolv1970]

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Or are we just supposed to be lemmings who expect different results despite absolutley no evidence to the contrary...what I do find funny is that somehow I am in the wrong for objecting to pre-ordering a game and have it broken for half a year while Bioware does nothing about it...its not like I made Awakening a broken game or Witch hunt for that matter...

Well you come across like someone who is disappointed with Awakenings and Witch Hunt. Which is ok, but the correct forum to complain is the DA forum, not the DA2 forum. I guess you know that though, so you ask if DA2 will be bugged to so it is a DA2 related question.

Just that such questions cannot be answered for several reasons. One being that they are still polishing the game. Which includes routing bugs. And how is anyone on earth supposed to know how many bugs will be in the game on the 8th of March? So it is a question that cannot even be answered which kinda puts it in the category 'flamebait'.

what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

[upsettingshorts]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...

Correlation does not equal causation.

bluewolv1970 wrote...

I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

While your concerns are justified, public acknowledgement of flaws is not a prerequisite for fixing them. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:08 .

[Shepard Lives]

My first Awakening playthrough was entirely bug-free.



Has your mind exploded yet?

[David Gaider]

bluewolv1970 wrote...
well with all do respect. it wasn't a rhetorical question if asked about either Awakening or Witch Hunt....so yeah maybe a comment such as yes, because of the problems with Awakening and Witch Hunt we have increased/changed or quality control standards, and while we cannot guarantee no bugs, we can say it will be in a better state than awakening was...you sound as though we should have no such concerns or that the most recent product released came out in tip top shape with no major issues...

You know nobody plans to have bugs, right?

If I told you that the game would have less bugs because we have increased/changed our quality control standards, would you even believe me? Mind you, I don't know what that would even be. I guess we're supposed to look harder for those bugs? Yes, harder. For you. I'll let QA know.

(I am clearly not the person to ask, just being a writer. Sorry!)

Modifié par David Gaider, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[AlexXIV]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Or are we just supposed to be lemmings who expect different results despite absolutley no evidence to the contrary...what I do find funny is that somehow I am in the wrong for objecting to pre-ordering a game and have it broken for half a year while Bioware does nothing about it...its not like I made Awakening a broken game or Witch hunt for that matter...

Well you come across like someone who is disappointed with Awakenings and Witch Hunt. Which is ok, but the correct forum to complain is the DA forum, not the DA2 forum. I guess you know that though, so you ask if DA2 will be bugged to so it is a DA2 related question.

Just that such questions cannot be answered for several reasons. One being that they are still polishing the game. Which includes routing bugs. And how is anyone on earth supposed to know how many bugs will be in the game on the 8th of March? So it is a question that cannot even be answered which kinda puts it in the category 'flamebait'.

what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

If I told you that the team that made DA:O is the same that is making DA2, and that Awakenings and the DLCs are done by other teams, would that help you?

[Xewaka]

shepard_lives wrote...

My first Awakening playthrough was entirely bug-free.

Has your mind exploded yet?

LIES! LIES AND PROPAGANDA!

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Perhaps, but I don't see his concern as having any less merit than the other dozen or so floating around the forum that net 20+ pages of serious replies.

*shrug*

It's a valid concern but it's not really a useful question.  But like you said, there's a lot of those on the forums.

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Perhaps, but I don't see his concern as having any less merit than the other dozen or so floating around the forum that net 20+ pages of serious replies.

*shrug*

It's a valid concern but it's not really a useful question.  But like you said, there's a lot of those on the forums.

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

It is still not possible to say how many bugs will be in the game. As David already said they are not putting bugs in the game on purpose, and of course they try to keep it as bug free as possible. I think that goes without saying. So what's the point really? As you said the initial question was a vehicle to express disappointment and what came afterward was not much different.

[Stanley Woo]

bluewolv1970 wrote...
what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

Do we have to admit it to you specifically, or acknowledge it in public, in order for quality to improve on a subsequent product? Because that seems like a very inefficient way of improving. i mean, you're not on the development team, not an employee of the company, heck, you may not even be working in the same industry and likely not a shareholder! And ultimately, what can you do about it? You can choose to buy the next product or not, the same way you can even if we never tell you anything about it. What changes?

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

What form would that reassurance take if not in the form of information?   Mike Laidlaw comes on these forums all the time and says, "DA2 will play a lot like DA:O" and no-one believes him.  Why would, "We anticipate less bugs" be any more effective at giving people piece of mind? 

DA:A, Witch Hunt - etc - placed doubts in people's minds.  I don't expect they'll be hand-waved away.  DA:2 will either have an unacceptable amount of bugs or it won't.  The position that Bioware simply doesn't care is hard for me to empathize with, hence the boxer analogy.

Stanley Woo wrote...

What changes?

Oooh, a rhetorical question I can answer seriously:  Your pre-order numbers. 

Whether or not that change is significant enough, I can't possibly say.  But based on this thread I imagine it could potentially be one less.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:20 .

[Maria Caliban]

Alex, in this very thread you accused me of being a liar. Why would I read anything you address to me after that?

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Alex, in this very thread you accused me of being a liar. Why would I read anything you address to me after that?

Well it wasn't meant serious. Maybe I should use more smilies or something, but it was if anything meant as a joke. I mean I don't take this whole thread very serious, sorry. I can't stay serious in threads that start like this. Hate me for that, I can't change it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Ryzaki]

I just hope there's no bugs like Alistair thinking he's king when he's not. That was rather...odd to say the least that it wasn't caught in QA.

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

I just hope there's no bugs like Alistair thinking he's king when he's not. That was rather...odd to say the least that it wasn't caught in QA.

It was not a bug, it was just Alistair being awkward again.

[bluewolv1970]

Stanley Woo wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...
what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

Do we have to admit it to you specifically, or acknowledge it in public, in order for quality to improve on a subsequent product? Because that seems like a very inefficient way of improving. i mean, you're not on the development team, not an employee of the company, heck, you may not even be working in the same industry and likely not a shareholder! And ultimately, what can you do about it? You can choose to buy the next product or not, the same way you can even if we never tell you anything about it. What changes?

MY perception of Bioware changes regarding how concerned they are about quality and their consumers...I mean there is a reason Domino's for example, is running those "we are going to do better" commercials...So I guess what you are saying is that my opinion as a paying and up tot this point loyal Bioware customer does not matter and by extension anyone who has concerns about quality does not matter either - either we will take it or leave it? Wow...

[bluewolv1970]

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Or are we just supposed to be lemmings who expect different results despite absolutley no evidence to the contrary...what I do find funny is that somehow I am in the wrong for objecting to pre-ordering a game and have it broken for half a year while Bioware does nothing about it...its not like I made Awakening a broken game or Witch hunt for that matter...

Well you come across like someone who is disappointed with Awakenings and Witch Hunt. Which is ok, but the correct forum to complain is the DA forum, not the DA2 forum. I guess you know that though, so you ask if DA2 will be bugged to so it is a DA2 related question.

Just that such questions cannot be answered for several reasons. One being that they are still polishing the game. Which includes routing bugs. And how is anyone on earth supposed to know how many bugs will be in the game on the 8th of March? So it is a question that cannot even be answered which kinda puts it in the category 'flamebait'.

what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

If I told you that the team that made DA:O is the same that is making DA2, and that Awakenings and the DLCs are done by other teams, would that help you?

actually yes