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[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

What form would that reassurance take if not in the form of information?   Mike Laidlaw comes on these forums all the time and says, "DA2 will play a lot like DA:O" and no-one believes him.  Why would, "We anticipate less bugs" be any more effective at giving people piece of mind? 

A specific person is not people. I've hardly seen the original poster around. I assume people are fair-minded until they lead me to believe otherwise. I mean, sure, if CS Sarah or Brokololy "Where is the PC gameplay?" were asking the question, I'd understand your point. But I don't think it's good to treat everyone as though they're part of a vocal minority.

And honestly, if the developers care so much they can pop in, mock the original poster, and then explain in detail why he's wrong to ask a question, they could probably say, "We're sorry you had trouble with Awakening. We're doing our best to make Dragon Age II as bug free as possible." Something which I assume is 100% true.

[Grybzsko]

Much as I also doubt that anyone "official" will respond by fessing up and admitting that DA2 will not work, I suspect that it will work. DA:O for a lot of people seemed to work fine, it was only when DA:A came out and and the ever so popular patch1.04 came out that the bugs became noticeable. Hope I'm not generalising there but there seems to be support in other threads elsewhere in the forums.



So in answer to the original posting - probably!

[AlexXIV]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Or are we just supposed to be lemmings who expect different results despite absolutley no evidence to the contrary...what I do find funny is that somehow I am in the wrong for objecting to pre-ordering a game and have it broken for half a year while Bioware does nothing about it...its not like I made Awakening a broken game or Witch hunt for that matter...

Well you come across like someone who is disappointed with Awakenings and Witch Hunt. Which is ok, but the correct forum to complain is the DA forum, not the DA2 forum. I guess you know that though, so you ask if DA2 will be bugged to so it is a DA2 related question.

Just that such questions cannot be answered for several reasons. One being that they are still polishing the game. Which includes routing bugs. And how is anyone on earth supposed to know how many bugs will be in the game on the 8th of March? So it is a question that cannot even be answered which kinda puts it in the category 'flamebait'.

what I am disappointed in and concerned with is that there seems to be a direct correlation between development time and quality upon release in the dragon age series...that is a fact based on the releases in the series so far...I simply would like to hear someone from Bioware acknowledge that the last few releases even were seriously flawed...I mean how can quality improve if no one even admits it has been lacking...

If I told you that the team that made DA:O is the same that is making DA2, and that Awakenings and the DLCs are done by other teams, would that help you?

actually yes

Well far as I know that's how it works. Their primary team worked on DA:O, then when they were about wrapping up some started to work on DA2, then when DA:O was released their primary team altogether worked on DA2, and another or other teams worked on the expansion and dlcs. That's how I understand it. Priority seems to be the base game, and Expansion and DLCs had kinda secondary priority. That's what I caught up here in the forum somewhere. I am not one to comfirm that like ... officially though.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:46 .

[bluewolv1970]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

What form would that reassurance take if not in the form of information?   Mike Laidlaw comes on these forums all the time and says, "DA2 will play a lot like DA:O" and no-one believes him.  Why would, "We anticipate less bugs" be any more effective at giving people piece of mind? 

A specific person is not people. I've hardly seen the original poster around. I assume people are fair-minded until they lead me to believe otherwise. I mean, sure, if CS Sarah or Brokololy "Where is the PC gameplay?" were asking the question, I'd understand your point. But I don't think it's good to treat everyone as though they're part of a vocal minority.

And honestly, if the developers care so much they can pop in, mock the original poster, and then explain in detail why he's wrong to ask a question, they could probably say, "We're sorry you had trouble with Awakening. We're doing our best to make Dragon Age II as bug free as possible." Something which I assume is 100% true.

Exactly - I do not post often and I truly am trying to decide whether or not to pre-order DA II - I appreciate your thoughtfulness though  -  I guess getting a sarcastic remark form one developer and a take it or leave it from another is my answer...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 13 décembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[AlexXIV]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The utility of a question goes beyond gathering a specific piece of information. The original question was simply a vehicle to express disappointment in BioWare's previous work, concern about DA 2, and an attempt to elicit reassurance.

What form would that reassurance take if not in the form of information?   Mike Laidlaw comes on these forums all the time and says, "DA2 will play a lot like DA:O" and no-one believes him.  Why would, "We anticipate less bugs" be any more effective at giving people piece of mind? 

A specific person is not people. I've hardly seen the original poster around. I assume people are fair-minded until they lead me to believe otherwise. I mean, sure, if CS Sarah or Brokololy "Where is the PC gameplay?" were asking the question, I'd understand your point. But I don't think it's good to treat everyone as though they're part of a vocal minority.

And honestly, if the developers care so much they can pop in, mock the original poster, and then explain in detail why he's wrong to ask a question, they could probably say, "We're sorry you had trouble with Awakening. We're doing our best to make Dragon Age II as bug free as possible." Something which I assume is 100% true.

Well if people ask nice they get a nice answer. If they are snarky they get a snarky answer. We can be happy that the Devs are so active in this forums and I don't see why the fact that they are means that they need to kiss everyone's feet.

[Stanley Woo]

We give sarcastic responses largely because we are in a lose-lose position here. We can't very well personally reassure every single person who's having doubts and starts one of these threads. At some point, people--and that's the general gaming public and not individual gamers--will either have to believe us or don't. our answers are always going to be the same.



And we can't give half-answers or comment on the usefulness of a question because then we're just being jerks. Yes, Maria, we can take the time to say reassuring things, but that just leaves us open to the "why should we believe anything you corporate shills say?" type comments. If we tell the truth and are accused of shilling, if we only sort-of answer a question and are accused of hiding something, if we don't answer and are accused of not caring, and if we provide sarcastic responses or non-responses and are accused of being lazy and uncaring, there's really not a lot we can do, is there?



What can I say as a developer but "we try"? And what can I do as a QA Analyst except "my best"? If some of you videogame wizards out there can magically turn "we try" into "guaranteed success" and "my best" into "everyone's best," then you've got a jillion-dollar process/idea/concept there.



Ultimately, it does come right down to choosing to purchase the game or not. nothing that anyone says or does will matter anymore once you're at the store shelf or on the order page. So please, believe us... or don't. But please don't ask us to predict the future, try anything other than our best, and don't expect our words to somehow make the realities of software development disappear.



We like what we've done with Dragon Age II, and we think you will, too. That's about as good and accurate an answer as you'll get to "Is Dragon Age II going to work when it is released." i'm sorry if it's not enough to address every individual concern out there.

[Kakistos_]

Bugs happen, mistakes happen, beast come people go. The Bioware team may be Gods but they're not omniscient.

[Stanley Woo]

we're not even gods, Kakistos_. We're just talented, professional mortals who happen to have really cool jobs at a really cool company.

[jackkel dragon]

Stanley Woo wrote...

we're not even gods, Kakistos_. We're just talented, professional mortals who happen to have really cool jobs at a really cool company.

Awesome.

[John Epler]

Of course, burnt offerings wouldn't go amiss.



Except less burnt, more 'medium-rare'. And by offerings, I mean steak.

[jackkel dragon]

JohnEpler wrote...

Of course, burnt offerings wouldn't go amiss.

Except less burnt, more 'medium-rare'. And by offerings, I mean steak.

...Sacrificing steak to remove bugs? It sounds so unusual it might actually work...

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Stanley Woo wrote...

We give sarcastic responses largely because we are in a lose-lose position here. We can't very well personally reassure every single person who's having doubts and starts one of these threads. At some point, people--and that's the general gaming public and not individual gamers--will either have to believe us or don't. our answers are always going to be the same.

And we can't give half-answers or comment on the usefulness of a question because then we're just being jerks. Yes, Maria, we can take the time to say reassuring things, but that just leaves us open to the "why should we believe anything you corporate shills say?" type comments. If we tell the truth and are accused of shilling, if we only sort-of answer a question and are accused of hiding something, if we don't answer and are accused of not caring, and if we provide sarcastic responses or non-responses and are accused of being lazy and uncaring, there's really not a lot we can do, is there?

What can I say as a developer but "we try"? And what can I do as a QA Analyst except "my best"? If some of you videogame wizards out there can magically turn "we try" into "guaranteed success" and "my best" into "everyone's best," then you've got a jillion-dollar process/idea/concept there.

Ultimately, it does come right down to choosing to purchase the game or not. nothing that anyone says or does will matter anymore once you're at the store shelf or on the order page. So please, believe us... or don't. But please don't ask us to predict the future, try anything other than our best, and don't expect our words to somehow make the realities of software development disappear.

We like what we've done with Dragon Age II, and we think you will, too. That's about as good and accurate an answer as you'll get to "Is Dragon Age II going to work when it is released." i'm sorry if it's not enough to address every individual concern out there.

In my opinion you're worrying too much what the drama queens think. Honestly I think PR would be so much better if we all just stopped caring what the Glenn Becks of the industry are going to say. You're exactly right, you're going to be taken out of context by someone with a tinfoil hat, but when somethings inevitable, why worry about it? It's like living a sheltered life because you don't want to die, it doesn't change anything, all it does is give you a few extra years and make you miserable.


In summary: Political answers and Tinfoil Hats bad, Truth and simplicity good



And chocolate.

[Risax]

Is everyone at BioWare a mix of evil and insane (in the fun good way) from the start? Or does it comes with time? (not trying to offend).

[nightcobra]

JohnEpler wrote...

Of course, burnt offerings wouldn't go amiss.

Except less burnt, more 'medium-rare'. And by offerings, I mean steak.

like this? hmmm that medium rare steak does sure look tasty:devil:

[jackkel dragon]

Wow, derailed by a mod. I thought I was bad.

[Risax]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Gaider already looks half-insane and EVIL! He scares me...
What does 'Evil' Chris Priestly looks like? I bet he has horns...

Modifié par Risax, 13 décembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[AlexXIV]

Risax wrote...

Is everyone at BioWare a mix of evil and insane (in the fun good way) from the start? Or does it comes with time? (not trying to offend).

Well for a start they only employ people with funny names.

[Stanley Woo]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...
In my opinion you're worrying too much what the drama queens think. Honestly I think PR would be so much better if we all just stopped caring what the Glenn Becks of the industry are going to say. You're exactly right, you're going to be taken out of context by someone with a tinfoil hat, but when somethings inevitable, why worry about it? It's like living a sheltered life because you don't want to die, it doesn't change anything, all it does is give you a few extra years and make you miserable.


In summary: Political answers and Tinfoil Hats bad, Truth and simplicity good



And chocolate.

Feh, you won't make me hat the forums that easily. I'm an optimist. And a jerkface.

[Blacklash93]

I'm still waiting for Sigrun's and Velanna's quests to be fixed...

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 décembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[jackkel dragon]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm still waiting for Sigrun's and Velanna's quests to be patched...

...They were...

At least for me...

(p1.04)

Modifié par jackkel dragon, 13 décembre 2010 - 10:23 .

[AlexXIV]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I'm still waiting for Sigrun's and Velanna's quests to be fixed...

I'm getting right on it. You get the patch with an email tomorrow.

[nightcobra]

the only persistent problem i have with awakening is the peasants revolt, even though i complete all the requirements for persuading them, the persuade option always fails.
the only solution i have to stop the revolt without resorting to bloodshed is to intimidate them by threatening to kill their families:unsure:.

aside from that, i'm not having problems with it.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 13 décembre 2010 - 10:25 .

[TonyTheBossDanza123]

Stanley Woo wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...
In my opinion you're worrying too much what the drama queens think. Honestly I think PR would be so much better if we all just stopped caring what the Glenn Becks of the industry are going to say. You're exactly right, you're going to be taken out of context by someone with a tinfoil hat, but when somethings inevitable, why worry about it? It's like living a sheltered life because you don't want to die, it doesn't change anything, all it does is give you a few extra years and make you miserable.


In summary: Political answers and Tinfoil Hats bad, Truth and simplicity good



And chocolate.

Feh, you won't make me hat the forums that easily. I'm an optimist. And a jerkface.

Huh? What does "hat" mean in this context?

[AlexXIV]

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

TonyTheBossDanza123 wrote...
In my opinion you're worrying too much what the drama queens think. Honestly I think PR would be so much better if we all just stopped caring what the Glenn Becks of the industry are going to say. You're exactly right, you're going to be taken out of context by someone with a tinfoil hat, but when somethings inevitable, why worry about it? It's like living a sheltered life because you don't want to die, it doesn't change anything, all it does is give you a few extra years and make you miserable.


In summary: Political answers and Tinfoil Hats bad, Truth and simplicity good



And chocolate.

Feh, you won't make me hat the forums that easily. I'm an optimist. And a jerkface.

Huh? What does "hat" mean in this context?

hat as a verb, he says he doesn't give us tinfoil hats.