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[Walina]

Oh, so king Marric liked to have many women... >_>

But thanks for the information ^^

[Eshaye]

Maria Caliban wrote...

No. The books talk about another royal bastard Maric got on a Grey Warden elf mage after Rowan dies. Alistiar was born to a maid when Rowan was alive.

Maric has licked many lamposts in winter.

So.... David Gaider ended with the second book leaving ANOTHER potential heir to the throne and there's no mention of it at all in the game? I find that hard to believe. I think everyone lied to Alistair about his mother and Goldanna is definetely not his sister. Leaking that he was the king's son is one thing and probably political, but letting him know that his mother is an Orlesian mage elf... I could see why they'd keep that quiet if anyone ever thought of putting him on the throne instead of Cailan, the mention of his mother would upset a lot of Fereldens.

And she's probably still kicking in a tower somewhere... Expansion!

[The Angry One]

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?

Nah.

[Forsakerr]

Walina wrote...

I am sorry to ask but we don't have those novels in France.
Can you tell me if the boks talk about Alistair mother please ?

I am also curious also about Duncan since we don't spend a lot of time with him. He seemed close to the Couseland family in the game and also close to Irving, the great enchanter.

you could do a search for those books in french for the stolen throne it s Le Trône volé about The Calling  i dont know if it s out yet in french , maybe you could look at amazon.fr ? i do know that it s Bragelonne/Milady that got it and since Bragelonne is from France you could probably get it at their site ,or if you dont mind reading them in english order it from somewhere

[Eshaye]

The Angry One wrote...

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?
Nah.

No, elven and human children are born human, Maric observes his and Fiona's son has round ears and looks a lot like Cailan.

[Walina]

Physically, Alistair look like a human so I don't know if he is their son but like Eshaye said, that will be strange that we didn't heard about another potential heir through the game beside Alistair.



Unless it was Cailan ? I don't know, I don't have the books but I would like to know if the female grey warden had the baby before she became one ?

[Oronduil]

The Angry One wrote...

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?
Nah.

Half-elven children are totally human in Thedas. The elven genes get totally overwritten with the human ones. That's why elves are so reluctant to breed with humans (apart from the whole oppression and slavery thing). If they start taking human mates, they breed themselves out of existance.

[The Angry One]

Eshaye wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?
Nah.

No, elven and human children are born human, Maric observes his and Fiona's son has round ears and looks a lot like Cailan.

That's.... 10 different degrees of stupid.
My brain hurts now.

[Oronduil]

Unless it was Cailan ? I don't know, I don't have the books but I would like to know if the female grey warden had the baby before she became one ?

it's not Cailan. Cailan is like 5 or 6 years old when the illegitimate kid is born. The baby is specifically kept anonymous so that he doesn't become a threat to Cailan's rule. And yes the warden was already a warden when she gave birth. Which begs the question of whether the taint can be passed along through the mother to the child? Or whether Fiona was indeed completely free of the taint after the events of the book?

The Angry One wrote...
That's.... 10 different degrees of stupid.
My brain hurts now.

Actually I find it quite smart on the part of the writers. It's yet another way that humans oppress elves, even if it is not under their control.

Modifié par Oronduil, 17 novembre 2009 - 02:14 .

[Walina]

I don't see how a grey warden can be freed from that taint since a lot of them go die at Ozamar though I am not against the idea because i do pity them, they do so much to win agaianst the Blight...

[Forsakerr]

Oronduil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?
Nah.

Half-elven children are totally human in Thedas. The elven genes get totally overwritten with the human ones. That's why elves are so reluctant to breed with humans (apart from the whole oppression and slavery thing). If they start taking human mates, they breed themselves out of existance.

in the game lore the elves lost their immortality/longevity because they crossed with humans if we follow your logic there would nt be any elves around , if you play a dalish you ll hear about it somewhere ,i dont remember when it was though

[Eshaye]

The Angry One wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

If that's Alistair's mother, then he's a half-elf... yet has no elven features whatsoever?
Nah.

No, elven and human children are born human, Maric observes his and Fiona's son has round ears and looks a lot like Cailan.

That's.... 10 different degrees of stupid.
My brain hurts now.

lol!! 

Yeah no half elves for us, it gives a lot of reason for the current anti elven sentiment though. Elves were once quite happy to live with humans, but as they lost their immortality and their children with humans were never elven they had to retreat away from them. Humans got butt hurt and centuries of woe ensues. That and Tevinter Mages went all psycho power mad.

[The Angry One]

Actually I find it quite smart on the part of the writers. It's yet another way that humans oppress elves, even if it is not under their control.

Or it's a ham-fisted excuse to shoe-horn this Fiona character as Alistair's mother while ignoring the contradictions in the game.
Also genetics don't work that way!

The more I hear of these books, the less I like. Supplimental material never works for games in my opinion, didn't for KOTOR, didn't for Mass Effect and doesn't for Dragon Age.
And yes I am aware the latter two are written by BioWare staff, that only diminishes the pain, doesn't erase it.

[Eshaye]

Oronduil wrote...

 And yes the warden was already a warden when she gave birth. Which begs the question of whether the taint can be passed along through the mother to the child? Or whether Fiona was indeed completely free of the taint after the events of the book?

Yes she was, she was badly tainted when she conceived but somehow the taint disappeared... No one knows why, which is why I totally thought there might be a cure for the taint and why I think Fiona is still in Orlais. I also wonder if a female warden can pass on the taint to the baby, considering it's in the blood it's highly likely.

[HavardTheAegis]

Well Gaider wrote the book and the script so i dont think its an accidental contradiction

[Oronduil]

Walina wrote...

I don't see how a grey warden can be freed from that taint since a lot of them go die at Ozamar though I am not against the idea because i do pity them, they do so much to win agaianst the Blight...

It's because of what happens in the book. Fiona has already gone through what most warden's do when the calling takes them. But the corruption she experienced disappeared. In the book she says that the warden's dont know if she will go through the calling or not. It's up in the air.

Forsakerr wrote...
in the game lore the elves lost their immortality/longevity because they crossed with humans if we follow your logic there would nt be any elves around , if you play a dalish you ll hear about it somewhere ,i dont remember when it was though

They lost their immortality yes but they didn't just magically turn into humans. They were still elves but with short lifespans like humans. There are still elves around because they have been isolated from humans (both voluntarily in the Dales and now the Dalish and involuntarily in the Alienages). They haven't been bred out because they are careful about it because they know what happens when they do have a half-elf child. Also the humans look down on elves so much that they dont really like to have elven kids...unless your Maric

[The Angry One]

HavardTheAegis wrote...

Well Gaider wrote the book and the script so i dont think its an accidental contradiction

Wouldn't be the first author to contradict himself now, would he.

[Walina]

I can understand, I would be also dispointed if writers of the books failed to follow the game or is it the opposite ?



Still, I don't remember so far, someone mentioning in game how Maric died, we just know he is dead. and his son Cailan became king marrying Anora, doughter of Loghain.

[The Angry One]

Explain Zevran then. His mother was a prostitute who's elven husband died almost immediately after they got together.

Do many elves, dalish or city, have the money to go around ***** houses? Heh!

[HavardTheAegis]

I think he hints at Dalish heritage. Dalish have money, there are a few Dalish clans who do trade wtih Humans

[Oronduil]

HavardTheAegis wrote...

Well Gaider wrote the book and the script so i dont think its an accidental contradiction

Yeah but the game has been in production for 5 or 6 years whereas the book only recently came out. Gaider only thought up Fiona and her kid with Maric in the book but they then forgot to correct the codex. I just find it hard to believe that they'd end the book with the surpise of Maric having an illegitimate child (of a grey warden no less!) and yet not have that child even in the game, let alone as one of the main characters. I'm not saying that it's not possible, just seems a bit lame if it's not him.

[Eshaye]

The Angry One wrote...

Explain Zevran then. His mother was a prostitute who's elven husband died almost immediately after they got together.
Do many elves, dalish or city, have the money to go around ***** houses? Heh!

Well since he is an elf his father either was the man his mother was married to briefly, or another elf. Not ALL elves are the lowest of servants, most of them are but I can think of at least one example of an elf who would be in a position to frequent a brothel and pay for a prostitute whithout a human batting an eye lash. (from the game)

Zevran himself as an assasin probably grew up to have some prestige for an elf.

[The Angry One]

HavardTheAegis wrote...

I think he hints at Dalish heritage. Dalish have money, there are a few Dalish clans who do trade wtih Humans

While Dalish trade with humans, I rather doubt they frequent Antivan brothels on a regular basis.
Just a hunch mind you..

[The Angry One]

Eshaye wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Explain Zevran then. His mother was a prostitute who's elven husband died almost immediately after they got together.
Do many elves, dalish or city, have the money to go around ***** houses? Heh!

Well since he is an elf his father either was the man his mother was married to briefly, or another elf. Not ALL elves are the lowest of servants, most of them are but I can think of at least one example of an elf who would be in a position to frequent a brothel and pay for a prostitute whithout a human batting an eye lash. (from the game)

Zevran himself as an assasin probably grew up to have some prestige for an elf.

Well true enough.

[David Gaider]

Is there not a codex entry for Maric? I see that there isn't -- I thought there was.



If you're truly curious, Maric was lost at sea. Nothing more glamorous than that. Sometimes people simply die.