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[SithLordExarKun]

Havokk7 wrote...

Because it will.

According to who?

Havokk7 wrote...
First, Bioware have a fixed amount of resources (money and programmer time). Spending some of that on multiplayer means it is not spent on singleplayer.

Right right and "Spending some of that on multiplayer the old republic, dragon age 2 means it is not spent on singleplayer mass effect".

Do you see the flaw in that logic? If its the singleplayer team thats working on the multiplayer as well, then yes, theres a chance it will affect the single player, but if its done by an entirely different team which bioware was employing this year for, then its a different story, regardless of how good or crappy the multiplayer is, it will not affect the single player experience.

Havokk7 wrote...
If a game engine was not designed for multiplayer then adding it is definately nontrivial.

Which in this case the ME games are run on the unreal engine which sadly is designed for multiplayer.

Havokk7 wrote...
On the other hand, the publisher may think that multiplayer will lead to more sales so they may budget more resources.

And this is a bad thing how? COD4, Biochock 2, Uncharted 2, COD:BO, Killzone 2 had excellent singleplayer and multiplayer.

Havokk7 wrote...
Second, if a class-based game is to support PvP then the classes need to be balanced wrt each other, which affects the singleplayer experience.

Again according to who if a different team is working on it?

[Matchy Pointy]

This topic again? Well, I say Nay.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Pwner1323 wrote...

Great statement there Endeavor.... real productive.

Like I said, I have discussed this topic numerous times to absolute death. I had presumed my vocal disdain had been voiced enough. Evidently, I was mistaken. So ready yourself for post reiteration!

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Why not guys, if the SP portion of the games stays the same, I dont mind to play a few fast MP games with friends

Because it will not remain the same. This is the qualm the majority of us have. No matter what Bioware claims, the single player will suffer unless EA is willing to commit millions of additional funds and another year or two of development time, neither of which they will ever consider. It is an inevitability due to numerous mechanical overhauls required to accommodate a multiplayer. Every class, enemy, weapon, armor, the entire game itself will have to be redesigned to content with multiple people playing the game. As it is presently, things like Active Cloak, Adrenaline Rush and esspecially Charge are immensely overpowered in a multiplayer setting. Even if this was merely co-op, the game has to be capable of rendering at least double the gameplay processing power of Mass Effect 2. Two Vanguards charging means a larger loading sequence.

This does not even scratch the surface. Mass Effect 3 cannot adhere to choice dialogue when two or more players are involved. One person cannot influence a story where there are many. Therefore, if there even exists choice in dialogue it will require content where multiple people can influence the story. If this undertaking were the direction ME3 sped toward such would mean a magnitude of dialogue for a second player. In any event I doubt EA would allow the funds to manage such an endeavor. In the end, single player would receive less and less attention to handle MP features. Consider if you will, Halo Reach. It spent approximately two years in development with an already designed mechanic for multiplayer; with a team that specializes in that field. Bioware would be experimenting for the first time and would have to begin with an entirely new system.

Suffice it to say, Mass Effect 3 does not have the necessary time to even sniff what Call of Duty and Halo have accomplished. If Bioware/EA desires an online multiplayer of some variety. Give it the proper dedication at a later juncture. If it is included now... ME3 is trending along thin ice wherein it will attempt to please everyone and instead please no one. These features would nearly kill the RPG fanbase interest and devoid of proper mechanics, not deter the FPS fanbase to leave a superior shooter like Call of Duty to play Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 décembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[BlackwindTheCommander]

I wouldn't mind an interesting co-op experience. Would be fun to team up with my friends online.

[JRCHOharry]

Nay

[Lumikki]

No thanks for multiplayer option, waste of developers time for single player story based games.

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 décembre 2010 - 08:40 .

[brokit808]

yay

[Alithinos]

 To be honest I'd prefer not.
As others have said,ME games are single player series.
If they got more funds to invest at ME3,then I think it would be better to use them to make the game as it is (single player) better than add multiplayer.
Those money could be invested for more popular actors,for localization to more languages,more promotion etc..
And they could use the time they would use to create the multiplayer for more debugging of the single player.
So we don't get stuck between walls and have to load a save we made 40 minutes back at occasions..

[mordaza]

Nay, thanks.

[FDrage]

No, at least not for ME3. Let them spend all their resources on the single player story mode instead of having to divert resources from there to multiplayer. Let the ME-trilogy finish in style and set the focus on that.

On the other side, for a completely new game set in the ME universe. Why not have a good mix of multiplayer and single player. Can't see a problem with it in principle.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Do you see the flaw in that logic? If its the singleplayer team thats working on the multiplayer as well, then yes, theres a chance it will affect the single player, but if its done by an entirely different team which bioware was employing this year for, then its a different story, regardless of how  good or crappy the multiplayer is, it will not affect the single player experience.

And that isn't more flaw in logic then the other way around? 

They only have a limited amount of resources regardless and where itr comes from. So yes spending resources on deveolping a multiplayer component means they can't use these reousrces somewhere else. People need to get paid etc. ... regardsless of when the employed these people. Resources spend on this "entirely different" team will still be lacking somewhere else .. except if they can create resources out of thin air it will allways be "missing" somewhere else.  Because if that "entirly different" team that had to be paid for 1 year wouldn't excist then these resources could be redistributed to Dragon Age II or SW:TOR or even ... ME3 Single Player campaign.

Modifié par FDrage, 14 décembre 2010 - 10:02 .

[Sparda16]

Nay.



Mass Effect doesn't need it, the SP story speaks for itself.

[Mecher3k]

Die in a fire for even asking.

Take that as a big NO!

[Xaijin]

Yay,

[ZegaFregaOmega]

Co-op i an tolerate, but death-matches and capture the flag can get run over by the mako for all I care.

Nay.

[Ulathar]

Chessrook44 wrote...

NAY.

That is all.

[WidowMaker9394]

Yay.

[Rogue-Element]

Nay, focus on a great single player, save any MP stuff for a spin-off.

[Shadesofsiknas]

Nay.

[spottyblanket]

If you can only play it online than nay. Pointless.

[Mecher3k]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

Yay.

CoD: Black ****s is that way >

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

A thousand times nay.

[SithLordExarKun]

FDrage wrote...


And that isn't more flaw in logic then the other way around? 

Not at all. Because the sole argument most people think that multiplayer won't work is due to them thinking that the same SP team will be working on the MP aspect and that an "additional team" is simply more "resources" for the enhancement of the SP experience.

Am i arguing that ME3 should have multiplayer? No of course not. Im just looking at it from both sides. If the MP team is lacking the said resources you mentioned, then the multiplayer aspect wouldn't work and would be rather crappy. But like i said, if its done by a different team entirely, whether or not the MP is good will not affect the SP campaign.

But at the end of the day i still think they should keep a Mass Effect game with multiplayer, away from Shepards story and in a spin off because thats where EA and Bioware can do anything they want with it.

[lurking fear]

Beaten to death. Nay.

[Kollanekala]

Nay!