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Mass Effect Video Series #1: Paragon vs. Renegade [Updated with Video #3: The Fate of the Council]


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#126
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I would totally keep the base if it meant only Shep can use it. Alas I have to give it to Cerberus who managed to get themselves killed on a derelict reaper.




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Still waiting for that video Rio ^.^

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^Same here.

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CroGamer002

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So will you do another video or did you given up?

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Its been three months. He probably could not think of any reasons to destroy it after thinking about it.

Edit Brain fail. Need caffine IV stat!

Modifié par Vaenier, 21 mars 2011 - 01:16 .


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Vaenier wrote...

Its been three months. He probably could not think of any reasons to destroy it after thinking about it.

Edit Brain fail. Need caffine IV stat!


Illusive Man indoctrinates Paul Grayson and he becomes Husk Avatar like Saren, if you kept the base.

Which means he is making husks.



So do you want me to shoot you in head with Widow or Phalanx TIM?

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Mesina2 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Its been three months. He probably could not think of any reasons to destroy it after thinking about it.

Edit Brain fail. Need caffine IV stat!

Illusive Man indoctrinates Paul Grayson and he becomes Husk Avatar like Saren, if you kept the base.

Which means he is making husks.

So do you want me to shoot you in head with Widow or Phalanx TIM?

He does that if you blow it up too. Books go out of their way to not establish canon.

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^Yeah, like they said Udina is a Councilor in that book.

And how the hell he get that tech without Collector base?

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Mesina2 wrote...

^Yeah, like they said Udina is a Councilor in that book.

And how the hell he get that tech without Collector base?

Never said it was a good book. And nothing in mass effect makes sense, why do you expect it to start now.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Fair assessment of the Balak. Though really unless you are metagaming the paragons are taking a huge risk in assuming Balak's detonation method is relatively short range. There is no reason to think that he can't do a flyby minutes later and detonate the bombs while you're releasing the hostages and kill you.

The Rachni decision was not a Paragon/Renegade decision, IMO, since either decision could be defended from either side. I chose to let the Rachni queen live as a renegade choice because I deemed it an acceptable risk for future payoff, and didn't care if some people died from the Rachni.

Your morale argument for the Council is not bad. The counter would be that this isn't Braveheart: it's a space battle with high tech weaponry half run by emotionless computers. People aren't going to be out there performing amazing feats of strength. Though from a metagaming perspective, it's a space opera so I guess morale is important and the computer/human control split will favor humans more.

Lastly: about the "Let the council die" option. I see it as more of a pro-human option than a sociopath option. However, from a political standpoint it is pretty dumb because just coming out and saying that would be a terrible idea. My character wanted the council dead, but she chose the middle option because you want it to look legit :D

Modifié par aimlessgun, 21 mars 2011 - 04:27 .


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For the upcoming base decision: the choice is fundamentally flawed and thus is hard to take a discussion of para/ren for it seriously. The absurd assumption that you HAVE to give the base to TIM as opposed to the Council/Alliance skews the argument.

Please at least mention that many people saved the base thinking that you can inform the Alliance/Council.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 23 mars 2011 - 02:26 .


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Hey @RiouHotaru!

We know you're alive on BSN, please respond and answer will you continue this series?

#139
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We are waiting good sir...there are some who STILL WAIT!!!

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Mesina2 wrote...

Hey @RiouHotaru!

We know you're alive on BSN, please respond and answer will you continue this series?


It could be that he's waiting to see how it plays out in ME3. His previous vids had him defending the results of the previous decisions from ME1.

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^ Well if THATS the case...he should say so...

#142
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OP: I'm in China at the moment, so I can't actually watch the videos.
True Renegade supporters aren't really bashing paragons as being hopelessly naive. Usually, it is meant that some paragon decisions come off as hopelessly naive (differing on which ones those are).
The issue is more that, while you get rewarded for being a paragon, you don't get rewarded at nearly the same level for being a renegade, either in terms of validation (characters giving you a thumbs-up) or content (killed Gianna Parasini? no sidequest on Ilium), while being a paragon gives you much better results on either of the two criteria than being a renegade.

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tjzsf wrote...

True Renegade supporters aren't really bashing paragons as being hopelessly naive.


Then you're obviously not a REAL Renegade supporter!

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Then you're obviously not a REAL Renegade supporter!

lol. one must admit that paragons got a bit of teeth in ME2, what with the threatened leg-breaking of quarian-hating elcor merchants and all.
now if only they'd give renegades a bit more huggability in return...

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tjzsf wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Then you're obviously not a REAL Renegade supporter!

lol. one must admit that paragons got a bit of teeth in ME2, what with the threatened leg-breaking of quarian-hating elcor merchants and all.
now if only they'd give renegades a bit more huggability in return...


When it comes to Quarians being mistreated Paragon Shepard goes ape ****. He also pushes a Volus and nearly assaults a C-Sec officer over another Quarian.

Modifié par Seboist, 20 juin 2011 - 01:19 .


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Seboist wrote...

When it comes to Quarians being mistreated Paragon Shepard goes ape ****. He also pushes a Volus and nearly assaults a C-Sec officer over another Quarian.

Indeed. Best way to ****** off both my Para and Ren Sheps is to be mean to Quarians. Paragon Shep will do the above. Renegade...wishes there was an alternate renegade interrupt to where it's "punches" instead of "pushes", and the "nearly" is removed from that sentence.

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tjzsf wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Then you're obviously not a REAL Renegade supporter!

lol. one must admit that paragons got a bit of teeth in ME2, what with the threatened leg-breaking of quarian-hating elcor merchants and all.
now if only they'd give renegades a bit more huggability in return...


Aside from the fact that Renegades do little to earn people's huggability?

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[quote]kylecouch wrote...

[quote]tjzsf wrote...

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lol. one must admit that paragons got a bit of teeth in ME2, what with the threatened leg-breaking of quarian-hating elcor merchants and all.
now if only they'd give renegades a bit more huggability in return...

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Aside from the fact that Renegades do little to earn people's huggability?[/quote]
Tough love is still love. More "encourage the krogan scout to bang some females" options would be nice.

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Except that was an option as paragon too...

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kylecouch wrote...

Aside from the fact that Renegades do little to earn people's huggability?


Renegades don't like hugs.