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It doesn't really work like that, as they'd have to give some kind of credit to the sole person whose idea they used. Bioware already has a good idea of what they already want to do, so most of it is usually decided. After the first game was released, they perused the forums for common complaints and worked to find workable solutions for the second game. Nothing major that would be a major game/character/plot changer.patocerda wrote...
@Skilled Seeker: Do not get me wrong. I'm not asking if they do or do not listen their fans, I'm certain they do. What I'm asking, though, is to what degree they apply the community suggestions, more like if you could tell me for example which fan ideas, suggestions, critics, etc. made it into ME2..
Modifié par Terror_K, 15 décembre 2010 - 03:15 .
Stanley Woo wrote...
we do listen. A lot. We just don't always agree with you.
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
Stanley Woo wrote...
we do listen. A lot. We just don't always agree with you.
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
. That would make ME3 a real bad game.
Just make sure there is a priizzeStanley Woo wrote...
we do listen. A lot. We just don't always agree with you.
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
Dionkey wrote...
Just make sure there is a priizzeStanley Woo wrote...
we do listen. A lot. We just don't always agree with you.
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
The volus is good, the volus is wise.Stanley Woo wrote...
we do listen. A lot. We just don't always agree with you.
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Hey, hey, Stanley! Garrus? Plz? *nudge nudge wink wink*
Stanley Woo wrote...
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
No, most people before ME2 said they did not want Elevators, I remember reading it up after ME1 came out. Same with the Mako it self, people complained about the planet and the mako it self and how bad it was to drive it. Anyways, I don't think that Bioware should listen to the fans on forums, because they are just listening to a small number of people/ If the forums were the voice of the majority, you would think most people played fem shep, but the statitics show otherwise.Terror_K wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
Yes, but in both these cases it just seems like you missed the point regarding the good aspects of them and replaced them with things that completely defeat the purpose and ignore these factors (namely, the loading screens and Hammerhead).
Only you guys know for absolute sure of course, but the message sent to me with the choices you made with ME2 just says to me that you missed the point. The elevators were actually good at keeping one immersed in the game by purposefully ignoring loading screens in favour of a more natural transition. They merely needed to be sped up and not removed. Regarding The Mako, it wasn't the vehicle that was the main issue but the worlds we had to drive it on. The Hammerhead is an awful, gamey vehicle that completely misses what was actually fun and practical about The Mako in the first place.
It just seems that in both cases (and in other ones) you noted that these things were a problem, but you didn't (seem to) look into why they were a problem.
It just seems to me you guys in most cases where there were complaints about ME1 cut off your noses to spite your face and threw the baby out with the bathwater. Simply put, you overcompensated for ME1's failings and took away what was good about them in the process for the sake of simplicity and a more user-friendly approach. You guys didn't just cut the fat on these things, you cut off a whole bunch of good meat too, leaving a tiny, simple portion that just isn't satisfying enough.
Modifié par The-Person, 15 décembre 2010 - 05:04 .
Are you telling bioware how to do their jobs?Terror_K wrote...
Stanley Woo wrote...
@Terror_K: Perhaps while discussing and developing the "we don't like Mako and elevators because..." arguments, the development team had some other ideas that they wanted to add. i mean, we are allowed to fit our own ideas into our own game as well as fan ideas, are we not?
Yes, but in both these cases it just seems like you missed the point regarding the good aspects of them and replaced them with things that completely defeat the purpose and ignore these factors (namely, the loading screens and Hammerhead).
Only you guys know for absolute sure of course, but the message sent to me with the choices you made with ME2 just says to me that you missed the point. The elevators were actually good at keeping one immersed in the game by purposefully ignoring loading screens in favour of a more natural transition. They merely needed to be sped up and not removed. Regarding The Mako, it wasn't the vehicle that was the main issue but the worlds we had to drive it on. The Hammerhead is an awful, gamey vehicle that completely misses what was actually fun and practical about The Mako in the first place.
It just seems that in both cases (and in other ones) you noted that these things were a problem, but you didn't (seem to) look into why they were a problem.
It just seems to me you guys in most cases where there were complaints about ME1 cut off your noses to spite your face and threw the baby out with the bathwater. Simply put, you overcompensated for ME1's failings and took away what was good about them in the process for the sake of simplicity and a more user-friendly approach. You guys didn't just cut the fat on these things, you cut off a whole bunch of good meat too, leaving a tiny, simple portion that just isn't satisfying enough.
Terror_K wrote...
I feel they also listen to the wrong fans quite often, and also listen more to reviews in magazines and on websites than their core fanbase.
The-Person wrote...
No, most people before ME2 said they did not want Elevators, I remember reading it up after ME1 came out. Same with the Mako it self, people complained about the planet and the mako it self and how bad it was to drive it. Anyways, I don't think that Bioware should listen to the fans on forums, because they are just listening to a small number of people/ If the forums were the voice of the majority, you would think most people played fem shep, but the statitics show otherwise.
sinosleep wrote...
The core fanbase doesn't post on internet forums.
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Are you telling bioware how to do their jobs?
Modifié par Terror_K, 15 décembre 2010 - 05:14 .
False. In fact, it's exactly the opposite.sinosleep wrote...
Terror_K wrote...
I feel they also listen to the wrong fans quite often, and also listen more to reviews in magazines and on websites than their core fanbase.
The core fanbase doesn't post on internet forums.
Huh guess you're right.Terror_K wrote...
I'm just saying that they aren't perfect, can make bad decisions and that the results in ME2 seem to suggest that they didn't fully explore the issues as well as they could have.
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