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[Zulu_DFA]

sinosleep wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I understand what you're saying, but in the case of the Hammerhead, the polls suggest that the masses agree with the "vocal minority".

Color me surprised.

You're now of the same color as me. I honestly expected that the Hammerhead would be more popular with the X-Box players.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

@Zulu That would be the 'Joker' mission that (lol @thought of EDI in R2's place)

[Zulu_DFA]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

@Zulu That would be the 'Joker' mission that (lol @thought of EDI in R2's place)

Or Legion can be R2.

[sirandar]

I loved the Mako in the main ME1 quest and the only problem in the side quests was uninspired level design and having not much to do.

The Hammerhead was horrible  .......... every aspect was not well thought out.   It was as if the devs said "Hovering is cool ... lets make something that hovers" and thats about all the thought that went into it.

What was wrong with the HH?

1) It was controlled too much from the top down and there was no way to get an internal perspective.  It felt like an chaep arcade game.   The Mako felt like you were actually driving a vehicle and the turret view shooting enhanced this.

2) Resource collection was incredibly stupid  ..... do a chicken dance over the item to collect.  The bright  circles around resources didn't help either.

3)  It was so much fun pinning Geth under the Mako and smashing through defensive  lines.   Not with the HH


4) The HH also makes no sense what so ever.   What is the point of hovering when you can have a gunship that can fly.  Onlly makes sense if the HH is so heavily armoured that it needs ground effects just to stay aloft  .... BUT the HH has NO armor ..... so what is the point and why wouldn't any sane Shep just buy a gunship.

5)  Battles and shooting was fun with the Mako.  You felt powerful and in control of a vehicle that could do serous damage.  Popping behind the turret was awesome.  The barrage of rockets from the HH wasn't fun at all.

So that leaves us with the devs saying "hovering is cool" don't think about it just do it.  ........
Also, they probably did hovering because the engine couldn't handle flying properly ..... it was a half measure.

Please give us a gunship and the Mako for ME3.
Also, please improve the Mako so we can actually drive it from the inside with no windows, but a split screen for viewing all 4 directions like it really would be in that type of vehicle,  and give it targetable rockets.

Overall ME1 was a better game, but ME2 far outshined it in a few areas.

Modifié par sirandar, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:54 .

[jonnyblueballs]

Mako was a huge pain in the mountains. Hammerhead's missions were linear.

I want good, open, and even better, randomized levels, with a non ****ty vehicle. So, vastly improved levels from ME1 with Hammerhead. But then, it could be cool to take you into the non Citadel worlds to have space fights for the resources you need.

[The-Person]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I understand what you're saying, but in the case of the Hammerhead, the polls suggest that the masses agree with the "vocal minority".

Color me surprised.

You're now of the same color as me. I honestly expected that the Hammerhead would be more popular with the X-Box players.

Yes, but only  the forum is voting in that poll, they are still the minority.
According to this Poll, social.bioware.com/35168/polls/2829/ more people play with female shepard then male shepard. However, according to the offical statistics collected from people playing ME2, Male Shepard is by far the  one more used. pc.ign.com/articles/111/1118657p1.html

[flem1]

IMO this suggestion bears repeating:

heinoMK2 wrote...

they should make the new vehicle a bit heavier, less jumpy and give it a gun turret which could be controlled by one of your squad mates. garrus would be balanced between precision and damage, grunt would get a heavier gun with more damage but lesser shooting frequency and tali higher precision and longer range but less damage out of it or some sort of anti-shields energy weapon. you could maybe even give some sort of ammunition power to the vehicle gun depending on the squadmate who operates it.

Vehicle ammo power/specials based on squadmate gunner would be excellent.

[KrazyKiko]

Hammerhead: FAIL.

Mako: Loved it. It had its quirks (control), but I loved "exploring" the planets and hope ME3 brings a revival of this.

[Skilled Seeker]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

What do people have against the platforming sections? Platforming is fun!

I, for one, can't do it. Why I don't play platform games and play RPGs instead. The gameplay offered by the HH is completely different to the gameplay in the rest of ME 1/2. I have gone from a story that flows into something that requires me to hit buttons with exact timing in a series. As I am constantly failing at progressing, any story flow I had is now wrecked.

The Mako is a pain, for sure, but at least I can progress in the game.

Thats your own fault for being a poor player. You have to be retarded to struggle with the ****** easy platform segments. Or you're a troll looking for an excuse to hate on the awesome HH. Bioware shouldn't dumb down the game just for you. A good variety of gameplay is needed to keep things fresh and Bioware delivers.
 
You platform haters are a sad sorry bunch of folks.

Yes, I am poor at platformers. And you are much poorer in other departments having to sling insults. Man, you need to seek some help.

I don't believe you. If you can play and finish Mass Effect then you can handle the platforming. The actual TPS gameplay requires much better hand eye coordination than the platforming segments. Tell me where did you struggle and die?

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[sinosleep]

The-Person wrote...

Yes, but only  the forum is voting in that poll, they are still the minority.
According to this Poll, social.bioware.com/35168/polls/2829/ more people play with female shepard then male shepard. However, according to the offical statistics collected from people playing ME2, Male Shepard is by far the  one more used. pc.ign.com/articles/111/1118657p1.html

You're absolutely right that at the end of day, the entirety of the forums is a fraction of a fraction of a minisucle percentage of the amount of people that actually play the game. I've argued as much for years on basically any subject. It's just that I've noticed that if there's ever even a hint of majority opinions on forums it tends to be in the polls. In polls you'll see hundreds of replies from different users where as most threads that recieve a large number of replies tend to be populated with the same 15 or so "regulars" who visit the forum posting over each other. The lurkers actually make their presense known on polls.

[Skilled Seeker]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

What do people have against the platforming sections? Platforming is fun!

I, for one, can't do it. Why I don't play platform games and play RPGs instead. The gameplay offered by the HH is completely different to the gameplay in the rest of ME 1/2. I have gone from a story that flows into something that requires me to hit buttons with exact timing in a series. As I am constantly failing at progressing, any story flow I had is now wrecked.

The Mako is a pain, for sure, but at least I can progress in the game.

Thats your own fault for being a poor player. You have to be retarded to struggle with the ****** easy platform segments. Or you're a troll looking for an excuse to hate on the awesome HH. Bioware shouldn't dumb down the game just for you. A good variety of gameplay is needed to keep things fresh and Bioware delivers.
 
You platform haters are a sad sorry bunch of folks.

They've already dumbed down the tank simulator that was the Mako into a platform game since you weren't capable of driving the Mako properly, why not make it easier for other types of players too?  You tank simulator haters are a sad sorry bunch of folks.

See how it works?  Keep it civil from now on mate.

I was more than capable of handling the MAKO. The HH is just much more fun to play with and an all round better vehicle.

[Skilled Seeker]

133 people is not the masses. All the critics agree the HH is better than the MAKO. Post that poll on a mainstream gaming site and if the MAKO is more popular I'll eat my shoe.

Zulutroll I'll go about making videos of all the HH segments in February if all goes to plan. I have exams in January that I am studying for at the moment.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 21 décembre 2010 - 07:17 .

[ModerateOsprey]

Skilled Seeker wrote...



I don't believe you. If you can play and finish Mass Effect then you can handle the platforming. The actual TPS gameplay requires much better hand eye coordination than the platforming segments. Tell me where did you struggle and die?

I can assure you, I am not lying <_< However, I will try and answer your question.

I struggled the moment I started using the thing. I have always had trouble with games where I had to carry out that kind of gameplay as exemplified by platform type games and the style required by the HH. I also struggle in some FPS games where I have to jump from one location to another. There was a section in FEAR 1 where I was stopped dead by being unable to jump from a girder to a walkway - very frustrating. That run-jump-ump-dbl jump type task - loathe it. 

For sure, there is an element of impatience involved because I work out what is required and groan inwardly. I feel pretty much the same about puzzles in games. The Gauntlet puzzle in DAO just made me grind my teeth. I admit that I immediately have a problem as I become irritated that I have encounter that type of task.

I can handle FPS games. I have played all the major ones and completed them on higher levels of difficulty. I am also pretty competent with driving games.

That all said, I also felt the HH was 'out of place'. Just didn't fit the ME lore, IMO. My views on the HH outside of it's control, are pretty well neatly summed up in sirandar's post further up.

[Lvl20DM]

A tweaked HH with a HUD, better shields, more weapons, and access to upgrades would be perfect. Add planetary exploration, more interesting environments, and varied enemies and it would actually be an addition to the game.

A thought on enemies: thresher maws, harvesters, and gunships.

[ArcanistLibram]

The Mako was damn near impossible to pilot because of all the steep inclines.



The Hammerhead was just a cardboard box taped to some sort of anti-gravity device.

[adam_grif]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


I understand what you're saying, but in the case of the Hammerhead, the polls suggest that the masses agree with the "vocal minority".

300 people from the Official Mass Effect Forums participating in a voluntary poll about whether they like the Hammerhead or Mako better, overall, suggests that they want the Mako back and the HH scrapped?

Ok, a couple of things:

1. "People who post on the official forums" are not a representitive sample. There are several million ME2 players who did NOT participate in your poll.
2. The level to which the Mako came out on top is small, like a 60 - 40 split.
3. Your poll only asks which they like better, overall, and does not separate the demographics properly, namely "Which handled better, the Mako or Hammerhead?", "Which had better missions, the Mako or the Hammerhead?" and "Which is better for combat, the Mako or the Hammerhead?" You see, this is important, because the people you polled may well share the opinion that, although the Mako is better overall,  the HH has more potential if only they fixed certain things about it. For instance, if it had better integrated missions into the story, if it had better weapons/was more durable, if there were some big open planets to explore in it, and so forth.

[sirandar]

Whenever anyone says "All the critics" I immediately tune out. All the critics never agreee on anything.

Skilled Seeker wrote...

133 people is not the masses. All the critics agree the HH is better than the MAKO. Post that poll on a mainstream gaming site and if the MAKO is more popular I'll eat my shoe.

Zulutroll I'll go about making videos of all the HH segments in February if all goes to plan. I have exams in January that I am studying for at the moment.

[Bamboozalist]

The HH needs more firepower. I like that it's made of tissue paper since it makes you actually kite and maneuver, but its main gun is pathetically weak.



Also you can kill Geth by ramming them with it just fine, I killed a Colossus with the HH by repeatedly running it over.

[mopotter]

Veex wrote...


Overall I think no matter the iteration of combat vehicle, or any other game mechanic for that matter, whatever they change in ME3 someone will complain about it.

 

Of course.  It's what we do.  

[mopotter]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

MyryaSzataria wrote...

Mako=Win
Hammerhead=Win...As a target for the Mako

The HH would destroy the MAKO in a fight. It would outrun the MAKO's turret by simply staying at the back of the MAKO while pounding it with missles and ramming into its behind. The MAKO would be too slow to respond.

Not if I were driving the HH.  I'd be toast within seconds.  
I'm glad you enjoy it.  I really wanted to enjoy it.  I love the idea of a hover vehicle.  But for me it just didn't work.  I liked driving around Overlord, until I had to jump and attack.  I didn't do anything in this mission except the minimum required to get through it. 
Everyone has different skills.  Mine is not the HH.  I'd really like them to give us both and go over the mountain in the Mako or jump across the lava in the HH.

[earthbornFemShep]

I like the well-armed mako better. The hammerhead is more agile, but it is like taking a geo metro to a demolition derby--it may be fun for a while, but it's going to end in a fiery pile of crushed metal. I like the idea of using either in different circumstances. Also, beef that thing up.

[mopotter]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I hate both the Mako and the Hammerhead, and the Taxi too. BW just can't do decent vehicles. That said, if I had to pick one I'd definitely pick the Mako.

^^This^^

I simply couldn't make the hammerhead work. At least I could complete sections with the Mako. I now have wasted purchases on DLC simply because of the hammerhead. Bioware - forget vehicles. Just don't bother. Put the effort into the all the other stuff you are so brilliant at. If you must have vehicles, please don't make me play a platform game in it.

Me too.  It takes me far too long to get it and then I do the overlord and that's it.  I've started a couple of the others and just got so frustrated it wasn't worth the anger so I don't do them.  

Part of the problem was having to start over when I failed because I couldn't save as often as I wanted to.  Part of it was apparently I'm just  not the HH type player whatever that is and I reached the point of I just don't care.

 I do hope they don't make us use it in ME3,  please BiWare Please give us both options.

[Skilled Seeker]

Bamboozalist wrote...

The HH needs more firepower. I like that it's made of tissue paper since it makes you actually kite and maneuver, but its main gun is pathetically weak.

Also you can kill Geth by ramming them with it just fine, I killed a Colossus with the HH by repeatedly running it over.

Finally someone that understands how to use the HH! 

[mopotter]

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

What do people have against the platforming sections? Platforming is fun!

I, for one, can't do it. Why I don't play platform games and play RPGs instead. The gameplay offered by the HH is completely different to the gameplay in the rest of ME 1/2. I have gone from a story that flows into something that requires me to hit buttons with exact timing in a series. As I am constantly failing at progressing, any story flow I had is now wrecked.

The Mako is a pain, for sure, but at least I can progress in the game.

Thats your own fault for being a poor player. You have to be retarded to struggle with the ****** easy platform segments. Or you're a troll looking for an excuse to hate on the awesome HH. Bioware shouldn't dumb down the game just for you. A good variety of gameplay is needed to keep things fresh and Bioware delivers.
 
You platform haters are a sad sorry bunch of folks.

Yes, I am poor at platformers. And you are much poorer in other departments having to sling insults. Man, you need to seek some help.

Yes.  This is when I really wish boards did not have the anonymity they have.  Someone who is rude should have to be rude to ones face, and then their grandparent should smack them in the back of the head and send them to their room being told don't come out until you learn some manners.  or if you can't say something nice don't say anything.  I miss the good ol days even if I was the one being sent to my room.     

[mopotter]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ModerateOsprey wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

What do people have against the platforming sections? Platforming is fun!

I, for one, can't do it. Why I don't play platform games and play RPGs instead. The gameplay offered by the HH is completely different to the gameplay in the rest of ME 1/2. I have gone from a story that flows into something that requires me to hit buttons with exact timing in a series. As I am constantly failing at progressing, any story flow I had is now wrecked.

The Mako is a pain, for sure, but at least I can progress in the game.

Thats your own fault for being a poor player. You have to be retarded to struggle with the ****** easy platform segments. Or you're a troll looking for an excuse to hate on the awesome HH. Bioware shouldn't dumb down the game just for you. A good variety of gameplay is needed to keep things fresh and Bioware delivers.
 
You platform haters are a sad sorry bunch of folks.

Yes, I am poor at platformers. And you are much poorer in other departments having to sling insults. Man, you need to seek some help.

I don't believe you. If you can play and finish Mass Effect then you can handle the platforming. The actual TPS gameplay requires much better hand eye coordination than the platforming segments. Tell me where did you struggle and die?

Now this, much better.  Keep it up.