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[BiancoAngelo7]

Tchones13 wrote...

Seriously, I swear I'll never understand nerds and fatties.
This, after reading the thread asking for a "FemShep with lots of muscles". I just don't get it.

You people must be really insecure about your own bodies and sexuality, that's the only explanation. Loosen up, let it go. That's Miranda (not you), her clothes fit her personality and profile perfectly. One's fashion choices are often how they express who they are, they're introducing us to a fictional character, her personality, her pathos, and the way she dresses is a big part of it.Put her in Robocop gear the entire game and you lose a big chunk of the character. Because of what, prude uptight hypocrite and insecure fans?

I get that it'd be cool to have the -option- to put squadmates in armor when out in the battlefield. But it seems to me that the armor is not the real issue here. Some are clearly more concerned that she's in heels, more worried about her femininity and the fact that she's a strong female who owns her sexuality. How dare she?
 
Yes, let's just put a burka on her and burn the witch at stake....

LOL I dont think ANYONE wants Miranda or any of the female characters to wear more conservative or tame clothes.

Wearing armor in combat situations has NOTHING to do with wearing a burka or supressing female rights or personalities lolol.

You said it yourself "One's FASHION choices..." fashion belongs for casual wear, if in any combat situation you think "fashion" is going to protect you, then you are sadly mistaken. And if you think that its just fine because since she has shields it must be armor, then no, you are again wrong because she is given shields because it would break the gameplay otherwise, but in the ME universe you don't get shields just because you wear snazzy clothes. Otherwise all those mercs (especially women mercs) would be wearing their own snazzy magically shielded clothes.

[SojournerN7]

Combat: I would like to see full armor come back along with actual helmets for enviromentally hazardous enviroments. A toggle button for the helmets in safe atmospheric areas much like what ME1 had.



Non-Combat: Casual clothing. Pretty much reserved for anyone on-board the normandy. Or the options for full uniforms, if you like to run your ship Military.



Basically, Liara in Lair of the Shadowbroker: Casual clothing on Illium; Combat Hardsuit in actual combat. Just need a helmet option.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

YES! having to watch my supposedly highly skill operators wearing spandex in the vacuum of space kept me from using them on space missions. btw, slapping armored plates on reegar's suit would look awesome and make a lot of sense for a quarian marine

[PROKNIFER69]

I like revealing clothes just as much as any other guy does but its stupid to wear some skin tight condom suit in a firefight when you have the best armor in the galaxy at your disposal.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Also, not to mention that I felt really betrayed by how they essentially ambushed us with this whole "no armor for your team" issue at the last possible moment (figuratively speaking) for ME2. I remember waiting for ME2 to come out, THIS and no planet exploration like we had with the Mako were my biggest shocks (and utter dissapointments) for ME2.

[Praetor Knight]

Tchones13 wrote...

Seriously, I swear I'll never understand nerds and fatties.
This, after reading the thread asking for a "FemShep with lots of muscles". I just don't get it.

You people must be really insecure about your own bodies and sexuality, that's the only explanation. Loosen up, let it go. That's Miranda (not you), her clothes fit her personality and profile perfectly. One's fashion choices are often how they express who they are, they're introducing us to a fictional character, her personality, her pathos, and the way she dresses is a big part of it.Put her in Robocop gear the entire game and you lose a big chunk of the character. Because of what, prude uptight hypocrite and insecure fans?

I get that it'd be cool to have the -option- to put squadmates in armor when out in the battlefield. But it seems to me that the armor is not the real issue here. Some are clearly more concerned that she's in heels, more worried about her femininity and the fact that she's a strong female who owns her sexuality. How dare she?
 
Yes, let's just put a burka on her and burn the witch at stake....

k... nerds and fatties... by the way burqas are what's used...

Nonetheless, I think I can understand what you were saying (I didn't bother reading that thread you mentioned though), but it also seems that you simply wanted to vent some frustration, so that's all I'll say about that.

My only real problem with ME2 squadmates is that if the squad goes in space, with not atmo and in vacuum, or a toxic planet they should at least need something for at least their whole face and bare skin, (chlorine in your eyes is really painful, and even Grunt mentioned it stung a little on that assignment).

A helmet maybe like this below at least (with a form-fitting sealed suit maybe?).
Like that you can still see their face and they are not exposed to vacuum or to toxic materials.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:12 .

[mjboldy]

 I agree and bring back some sort of inventory too.

[darkdeath19]

Agree. Thats one of the biggest thing i have with ME2. No armor for squad mates. Who go's in an abandon spaceship with a lab coat and motocylce clothes. Come on bioware. Think. Should not have the armor option out.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Armor for other characters should mirror their style. For example, Miranda's armor would have a different style than Female Shepard's or Jack's, but it'd obviously be combat armor. I think they should have customizable parts just like Shepard, but if that's too much of a hassle, then it could be ME1 style for them, where they get stat upgrades, but the armor looks exactly the same regardless of the name.

And the added option of changing the color of the armor, just like with Shepard.

edit: And helmets, too.  Those oxygen masks aren't badass enough, and it was kind of silly for Samara to wear one when she had a suit of armor.

Modifié par ItsFreakinJesus, 16 décembre 2010 - 01:33 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

Yeah, I don't think anyone wants everyone to be wearing the exact same thing, but i really don't think thats an issue, because if you look at pretty much any character in the game (except for mercs) they are all wearing armor with their own particular style.



Just look at Zaeed or Liara in LoTSB, although Zaeed has a half helmet and no sealed arm parts, they both get what pretty much amounts to personality matching armors.



Plus, it won't come to this, but even if it did, I think a lot of people would rather sacrifice a little personality to have actual armor on their squad in combat. I mean, look at shepard, he has personality on his armor because he customizes "standard" pieces of armor to make the armor suit he wants. THe only real complete armor suits that may reflect his personality would be the dlc armors that you can only change through texture modding.



So its not so unrealistic to want Bioware to give us AT LEAST armor suits for squad mates if not the same armor customization scheme for them as we have for own shepard, this would provide three things:



a) We get to spend hours (if you're anything like me) customizing and recustomizing our many options for our squad



The satisfaction of having a certain "team look" that was sadly lacking from ME2 because everyone put together essentially looked like a rainbow



c) Saves me (and others) loads of time so we don't have to go and create texture mods for every squad mate lol

[Phaedon]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Yeah, I don't think anyone wants everyone to be wearing the exact same thing, but i really don't think thats an issue, because if you look at pretty much any character in the game (except for mercs) they are all wearing armor with their own particular style.

Just look at Zaeed or Liara in LoTSB, although Zaeed has a half helmet and no sealed arm parts, they both get what pretty much amounts to personality matching armors.

Plus, it won't come to this, but even if it did, I think a lot of people would rather sacrifice a little personality to have actual armor on their squad in combat. I mean, look at shepard, he has personality on his armor because he customizes "standard" pieces of armor to make the armor suit he wants. THe only real complete armor suits that may reflect his personality would be the dlc armors that you can only change through texture modding.

So its not so unrealistic to want Bioware to give us AT LEAST armor suits for squad mates if not the same armor customization scheme for them as we have for own shepard, this would provide three things:

a) We get to spend hours (if you're anything like me) customizing and recustomizing our many options for our squad

The satisfaction of having a certain "team look" that was sadly lacking from ME2 because everyone put together essentially looked like a rainbow

c) Saves me (and others) loads of time so we don't have to go and create texture mods for every squad mate lol

Squadmate armour customization should have it's limits. Every squaddie's armour in ME2 represented the squaddie's personality, so total freedom would be a bad thing.

I wouldn't want to see Kaiden and Thane wearing the same armour. It could work that way;
Let's imagine that you buy a piece of chest armour, when you go to add it to any squadmate, it will look different, in order to fit their style.

[DocDVD]

Armor outside the Normandy, nothing inside the Normandy... aehm, I meant casual inside... casual...

[adam_grif]

sapientia24 wrote...

some realism in the game is fine but I don't want every single thing in the game to be real, also Thane, Miranda, Jack, Samara probably have been fighting and doing things the way they have been doing for years. If they have been fighting in there cloths for what is probably years and they don't have any problems then don't change anything.

That's one of the silliest retorts I've seen in my days.

"Why don't they wear armor?"

"Well, they've been fighting without armor for years so they just don't need it."

Good job.

[biomag]

I would like to see 2-3 of outfits:



1. battle -> actual armor with helmet.



2.-3. ship and city -> it may be the same, but I thought as odd as Miranda looked on the battlefields and in space as odd looked Shep in his armor in most cities... also stepping up in front of the council wearing a nuke-gun on your back is somewhat strange...

[Xette]

They could do it both ways. Have the lockers (or whatever) which you can manually go through but with a button next to each that just replaces the equipment in the locker with the highest rated in your inventory. RPGers can have their fun shifting through all the loot, people who want to get on with the game can just hit a button and it's done.

One of the mods I'm running for a different game works it similar to that and it makes things a lot easier and smoother when you've got a whole parade of team mates running around after you.

Of course, this is assuming that they put loot back in. Personally, I don't care. I liked the way ME2 handled it by letting us concentrate more on the story and gameplay, but that's just personal preference. I can go back to the other way quite happily.

[BiancoAngelo7]

adam_grif wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...

some realism in the game is fine but I don't want every single thing in the game to be real, also Thane, Miranda, Jack, Samara probably have been fighting and doing things the way they have been doing for years. If they have been fighting in there cloths for what is probably years and they don't have any problems then don't change anything.

That's one of the silliest retorts I've seen in my days.

"Why don't they wear armor?"

"Well, they've been fighting without armor for years so they just don't need it."

Good job.

I lold hard at this response haha.

Yeah sapientia its pretty ridiculous as far as an argument to not give them actual armor that since the story / ME universe says they've been fighting that way for years it should stay that way.

lol would you want the normandy to have an open roof even though it would make no sense for any starship anywhere, just because in the ME universe that's the way the story says its been in the past?

[CannotCompute]

Spandex on board.



Armor on away missions.

[Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams]

biomag wrote...

also stepping up in front of the council wearing a nuke-gun on your back is somewhat strange...

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

[imaDEVIENT]

Ship.wreck wrote...

It was even worse when I got loyalty and got the new outfit reward for a character. BECAUSE IT WASN'T A NEW OUTFIT! It was the exact same outfit in different colors, sometimes just an extremely slightly different collor scheme!

Not true!!

Ms Lawson had that delicious belly button divot.


mmmmm, black catsuit, mmmmmm

[BiancoAngelo7]

Cerberus Operative Ashley Williams wrote...

biomag wrote...

also stepping up in front of the council wearing a nuke-gun on your back is somewhat strange...

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Are you kidding me? I aint stepping up in front of the council UNLESS Im wearing a nuke gun!...at least then theres the chance that I may get a renegade interrupt for the next time that dumb turian air quotes what I say about the reapers!

[HyenaLobo]

I've always looked at it this way. In terms of stats, Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus, and Shepard all have higher health and shields/armor than the rest, so I just saw it as those w/ less have less energy. Regardless, they all have shield generators anyway, so its not like they were truly unprotected.



You are the power behind your squad, so does it really matter either way?

[Nerevar-as]

What was really jarring is that our squad had the only characters that went into trouble wearing civvies. Most enemy mooks had armor. Then there´s the breath masks, can´t remember if we are actually in vacuum anytime, but wearing just a mask in high chlorine atmosphere or sandstorms doesn´t work.

Character writing was pretty good, but this took away from the writing for me.