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[Ship.wreck_]

Encarmine wrote...

Ship.wreck wrote...

Captain Proton wrote...

Yeah, but STG does not work agains their own people - for example, Cerberus transformed an entire colony into Husks.

I hate Cerberus too.

I bet TIM is giving alot about his position away by allowing that star he's orbiting to be visible! Looks pretty uniquee with the red and blue swirls goin on! Let's analyze all the visible / non visible frequencies it's emiting / find a star that matches up and go Man hunting!

That dick didn't even warn me the collector ship was a trap!

how could he risk warning you when apparently almost anyone can listen into communications.

also we dont know enough about STG history to make a valid judgement even in speculation world.

and read in a previous post, why didnt sheperd just steal the SR2, that would be funny

Sheperd 'im leaving cerberus SCREW YOU'

TIM 'o rly' (presses button)

SR2 either explodes/EDI autopilots the ship back to base/engines turn off

Remember dude, comms between TIM and SR2 involve a quantum entanglement device that no one else in the galaxy has, and that would be literally untapable.

Not to mention even if someone is listening in the important info isn't weather the ship is a trap, but where SR2 is GOING. Once that's out there, the detail doesn't matter. So if you're sending the co-ordinates but not the fact that it's a trap, you're not helping security at all, just subjecting Shepard to a great deal of unnecessary danger.

[Encarmine]

ya,i agree to a point, but they are dealing with a super advanced species that created the citadel and gates as some form of super mouse trap, plus SR2 could have spies onbord, i mean the shadow broker was watching jacob do press ups lol

[Ship.wreck_]

I've been meaning to go into painful unnecessary detail on the whole collector ship trap thing thanks for reminding me!

So TIM says's they're dissabled by a Turrian ship, go investigate. By the way we won't let aid get to the Turrians until after you investigate.

And then doesn't tell me there is no Turian ship and the Collector ship isn't really disabled it's just trap, what a DICK!

Then it turns out to be a trap, I get out barely and I'm like, "Hey TIM! What the ****!???"

And THEN he tells me oh yeah, it was a trap, but I knew you'd make it...

First off, NO YOU DIDN'T YOU ****! And secondly, if you just would've TOLD me it was a trap from the begining I would've still done it, AND I would've been better prepared to do it, AND I would've been more willing to do it! As it stood I was pissed the whole time that I was going on this mission and leaving a ship full of Turians who desperately needed help to their fate! If had known there was no Turian ship, it wouldn't have been a problem!!!! AHHHHHHHRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!

And then I would punch TIMs face if I could have.  

[Ship.wreck_]

"Take that TIMs face!"

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, first, there were Turian vessels. They're hard to see, and are barely a side note on the 'approach' cut scene, but they were there.



Secondly, they were already dead. So, aid to dead Turians is kinda... well, not very effective.



You walking into a trap prepared that it was a trap would have triggered the trap too early making it a pointless exercise. Yes, these things do happen in reality as well (where someone needs to be sent to do something in ignorance).

[Encarmine]

yeah good point, and if you never survived that mission TIM would of been like 'O Shizzle'



but we are dealing with a dude so determined that he sent a very large team to a reaper and 'wasnt suprized' they all got wiped out. But we got that IFF lol so we could save the galaxy

[Ship.wreck_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, first, there were Turian vessels. They're hard to see, and are barely a side note on the 'approach' cut scene, but they were there.

Secondly, they were already dead. So, aid to dead Turians is kinda... well, not very effective.

You walking into a trap prepared that it was a trap would have triggered the trap too early making it a pointless exercise. Yes, these things do happen in reality as well (where someone needs to be sent to do something in ignorance).

Well he SAID the Turians were alive and needed help. So either way his lie averted me to doing the mission when the truth would have made me want to do it.

Secondly, they wouldn't trigger the trap early. When I get there THEY HAVE NO IDEA if I know it's a trap or not, so they're going to spring it exactly according to their ORIGINAL plan. The only difference it makes if I know is that I won't be completely suprised and caught off gaurd when they do spring the trap on me.

In fact the fact that I showed up at all would tell them that I don't know it's a trap even if the truth is that I do.

[Encarmine]

also people while talking about Cerberus, can we talk about the moment where we get told about a derelict reaper, and how Cerberus discovered a ancient mass effect weapon, a very old one, that actully fired the killing shot at this reaper. Surely making this weapon active or replicating it would be a top prioity??? i mean its a proven working weapon, judging by the state of the reaper

[Ship.wreck_]

Encarmine wrote...

yeah good point, and if you never survived that mission TIM would of been like 'O Shizzle'

but we are dealing with a dude so determined that he sent a very large team to a reaper and 'wasnt suprized' they all got wiped out. But we got that IFF lol so we could save the galaxy

O Shizzle to say the least hahaha!

Yeah they were the B team though, you get your A team killed and having the IFF won't matter there won't be any one to use the damn thing anyway!

But that being said he should've warned B team too! If they knew the Reapers indoctrination was still active and it could still "Husk" them, yeah it's a verb now, they could've limited their exposure to it. They could just go in a little at a time and pull out before being adversly affected. Then keep going back, doing a little more, a little more, until they find the IFF AND they could learn a ****LOAD more about the Reapers while doing it which would come in handy for ME3.

Plus if they didn't get wiped out I wouldn't have to shoot my way through like, 8 freakin Scions and 1,000 husks to get to the damn thing. In fact, they could just hand it to me personally and I wouldn't have to set foot in that monstrosity in the first place! But, oh no, God forbid, here at Cerberus we have to EVERYTHING the STUPIDEST HARDEST way possible!

For all the help he's given me, everything TIM does makes it that much harder for me to do my job anyway! I don't know how that douche runs Cerberus without running it into the ground, he just barely didn't get ME killed!

[LordHelfort]

In response to the guy who suggests we analyze the star and then bushwhack TIM's base, his mobile space station (yes, space station) jumps to a new system every time he communicates with someone (reference is from ME novel Retribution, or the most recent one involving Grayson).



Id like to reaffirm as a number of people have mentioned that Cerberus is basically a necessity, one of those organizations that has to do the ugly things necessary. On the rogue note, it does seem likely that some of these people did things without TIM's approval. Archer was feeling the heat and then went bananas and *SPOILER ALERT* did those horrible things to that specific person *SPOILER*, TIM did not specifically order him to do that. Same with the Pragus facility.



Personally I sympathized with TIM throughout most of the game, since he was much more of a realist then others (especially over the Collector base issue). Id like to point out that without the horrid TIM or Cerberus there would be no Shepard alive for Round 2 *Ding Ding* and thus the Galaxy would be royally screwed. So yeah, TIM for Galactic Savior.

[Ship.wreck_]

LordHelfort wrote...

In response to the guy who suggests we analyze the star and then bushwhack TIM's base, his mobile space station (yes, space station) jumps to a new system every time he communicates with someone (reference is from ME novel Retribution, or the most recent one involving Grayson).

Id like to reaffirm as a number of people have mentioned that Cerberus is basically a necessity, one of those organizations that has to do the ugly things necessary. On the rogue note, it does seem likely that some of these people did things without TIM's approval. Archer was feeling the heat and then went bananas and *SPOILER ALERT* did those horrible things to that specific person *SPOILER*, TIM did not specifically order him to do that. Same with the Pragus facility.

Personally I sympathized with TIM throughout most of the game, since he was much more of a realist then others (especially over the Collector base issue). Id like to point out that without the horrid TIM or Cerberus there would be no Shepard alive for Round 2 *Ding Ding* and thus the Galaxy would be royally screwed. So yeah, TIM for Galactic Savior.

That may be the case in the Novel, but in the game I see the same star everytime he talks to me, so no dice. Even if it's true just a mater of finding his star and waiting for him to come back.

Cerberus is necessary to protect humans in the same way that Al Qaida is necessary to "protect islam". Which is to say IT'S NOT. Just a bunch of freakin a holes doing stupid **** because they think they need to to protect someone when really they're doing more harm to their supposed benefactors than good, by villanizing them throughout the galaxy as far as everyone else is concerned, and all while doing alot of literal harm to other people directly!

I call bs on the whole his employee's going rogue thing. How come every time we find out about a Cerberus higher up he's a monster, and THEN we hear that he "went rogue" and violated TIMs orders. I'm not buying it, they're doing this horrible stuff because TIM want's them to, then when they get their asses busted, he disavows all knowledge and sails em up the river to save his own ass.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cerberus never went rogue.

Kahoku either made a mistake, or simply used the word "rogue" in the meaning of "bad" ("renegade" in ME sense).

I don't wanna click that link and get sidetraked, I'll never make it back, explain!

Well Kahoku was a representative of the Aliance, and Cerberus murdered him! I'd pretty much call that the definition of rogue dude. Unless you have some proof Udina or the Council or Anderson or some Much higher ranking member of the Alliance ordered the hit... but then I'd pretty much consider them rogue too...

I'm not copypasting the OP from there to here, but the idea is that the entire Systems Alliance is "rogue".

Of course, you, as Commander Shepard, can behave however you like within the limits of the options the game provides you with, but bear in mind that going anti-Cerberus, like Anderson, technically makes you an unofficial traitor to that organization (I mean Systems Alliance).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 décembre 2010 - 02:08 .

[Xilizhra]

Since "traitor" is a legal term, how can you be an "unofficial" one?

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Since "traitor" is a legal term, how can you be an "unofficial" one?

All legal terms are derivative of the moral terms.

We also know very little of the Alliance's legal system, except that in certain fields it is politically restricted by the Citadel Council. Which, as we know for certain, relies on "above-the-law" kind of enforcement. So much for all things legal there.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 décembre 2010 - 02:23 .

[Xilizhra]

I'm not sure I can even be considered a moral traitor, as I'm no longer affiliated with the Alliance at all...

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not sure I can even be considered a moral traitor, as I'm no longer affiliated with the Alliance at all...

To consider you a traitor, the Alliance doesn't need to ask whether you still consider yourself affiliated with it or no. All it needs to know is that you are an Alliance Marines officer, tasked by your superiors with becoming a first Human spectre. Thinking that gaining the spectre status equates a discharge from the Alliance is an element of your treason. Even if you are interested only in the formal side of things, you were never discharged from the Alliance service. Fact.

[Xilizhra]

There's definitely a line where Shepard says something about no longer being part of the Alliance military. But I suppose that overall, it doesn't matter. As Cerberus isn't officially part of the Alliance either, I can't be charged with treason for opposing it. They could, of course, try to assassinate me, but I believe that I'll be able to fight them off.

[Barquiel]

Spectres answer only to the Council. For example, Shep can use her spectre status to refuse Admiral Mikhailovich access to the Normandy.

And I am quite sure that my Shep won't be court-martialed for opposing Cerberus (maybe for other things)...since Cerberus is an enemy of the council.

Modifié par Barquiel, 15 décembre 2010 - 03:01 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's definitely a line where Shepard says something about no longer being part of the Alliance military. But I suppose that overall, it doesn't matter. As Cerberus isn't officially part of the Alliance either, I can't be charged with treason for opposing it. They could, of course, try to assassinate me, but I believe that I'll be able to fight them off.

That's why I said "unofficilly". Of course, you won't be charged with doing anti-Cerberus things. You'll be charged with simple desertion and going rogue and working for terrorists. Irony.

[Jagri]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's definitely a line where Shepard says something about no longer being part of the Alliance military. But I suppose that overall, it doesn't matter. As Cerberus isn't officially part of the Alliance either, I can't be charged with treason for opposing it. They could, of course, try to assassinate me, but I believe that I'll be able to fight them off.

That's why I said "unofficilly". Of course, you won't be charged with doing anti-Cerberus things. You'll be charged with simple desertion and going rogue and working for terrorists. Irony.

Can't arrest a Spectre unless the Council declares them rogue. So even if the Alliance is working with Cerberus and crys themselves a river unless the entire Council agrees to revoke Shepards status he/she is untouchable.

Modifié par Jagri, 15 décembre 2010 - 03:23 .

[Xilizhra]

Jagri wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

There's definitely a line where Shepard says something about no longer being part of the Alliance military. But I suppose that overall, it doesn't matter. As Cerberus isn't officially part of the Alliance either, I can't be charged with treason for opposing it. They could, of course, try to assassinate me, but I believe that I'll be able to fight them off.

That's why I said "unofficilly". Of course, you won't be charged with doing anti-Cerberus things. You'll be charged with simple desertion and going rogue and working for terrorists. Irony.

Can't arrest a Spectre unless the Council declares them rogue. So even if the Alliance is working with Cerberus and crys themselves a river unless the entire Council agrees to revoke Shepards status he/she is untouchable.

Indeed. I intend to go back to the Council as soon as possible, if I can.

[Sidac]

your all council lap dogs!

[Vaenier]

I wonder how many of their experiments are successes and have closed down successfully. All you ever hear about are the failures to clean up. The successes are successfully closed down with no record, the advances slipped into society with nobody the wiser. They are still getting funding so they must be doing something right.

[lovgreno]

Cerberus being competent, responsible, efficent and still a part of the Alliance are all just speculations. However we do have plenty of examples of the opposite of these things. Sure, Failberus was a part of the story in ME2 but please let us have something new and different than space Cobra in ME3. TIMmys oh so mysterious and unthrustworthy style got boring rather fast.

[TexasToast712]

Encarmine wrote...

well in terms of cerberus and its relationship with the alliance. its all speculation, but i think cerberus still work for the alliance and earth based goverments. Hell TIM and Admiral Hackett probly meet up for lunch in my mind lol

I think you may be right as a LotSB dossier on Hackett shows a letter from some random Lieutenant requesting permission to bring Shepard in on charges of terrorism for working with Cerberus and Admiral Hackett's  reply is 2 words, "Request Denied"

I think Hackett knows whats going on.