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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

You run into Wynne, and she teaches it to you, but only if you have a threesome with her and Varrick, or beat her at a game of cards.

[Crimson Invictus]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

You run into Wynne, and she teaches it to you, but only if you have a threesome with her and Varrick,

Truly not worth the cost.

[ErichHartmann]

Not even Wynne's spirit vessel could give her the energy for such activities.

[Crimson Invictus]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Not even Wynne's spirit vessel could give her the energy for such activities.

Clearly you have never heard the phrase, "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak."

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Liana Nighthawk wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

You run into Wynne, and she teaches it to you, but only if you have a threesome with her and Varrick,

Truly not worth the cost.

Tell me about it. Would much rather sell some kid's soul or burn down an orphanage full of puppies instead.

[lv12medic]

Snoteye wrote...

A book you can buy at the local inn.

Beat me to it. 

Hawke:  "Pappy!, What's a Blood Mage?"
Pappy Hawke:  "Go look it up in a book, I'm busy!"

... an hour later...

Pappy Hawke, walks into town to see half the residents of Lothering dancing the Remigold in unison with no music.
"GARRET/MARIAN ALFILTZER GONZALEZ HAWKE, FRONT AND CENTER RIGHT THIS INSTANT!"

[lunarknightmage]

lv12medic wrote...

Snoteye wrote...

A book you can buy at the local inn.

Beat me to it. 

Hawke:  "Pappy!, What's a Blood Mage?"
Pappy Hawke:  "Go look it up in a book, I'm busy!"

... an hour later...

Pappy Hawke, walks into town to see half the residents of Lothering dancing the Remigold in unison with no music.
"GARRET/MARIAN ALFILTZER GONZALEZ HAWKE, FRONT AND CENTER RIGHT THIS INSTANT!"

Hawke points to Bethany:  "It wasn't me Pappy.  It was her!"

Bethany points to Carver:  "Nuh-uh.  It was Carver!"

Carver:  "Derp!"

[DragonOfWhiteThunder]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
as for me, i believe that power isn't inherently good or evil but that it can corrupt should the user not be ready for it.

In the real world, maybe, but I'm not sure that holds true in Thedas, where demons teach mortals Blood Magic. The forge is another example-  It's pretty much powered by evil acts. With Blood Magic and the Forge, the only truly 'good' choice may be not to use it at all.

though a demon might hold the knowledge for blood magic, it think the reason they use it as a bargaining chip with mortals is that they know how much mortals crave for power and being one of the most if not the most powerful magic school in existence rather than the power itself being evil.

blood magic requires a sacrifice for it to work, this often leads to the user sacrificing others for purpose of using it instead of himself/herself.

if a blood mage only uses himself/herself as the source for the blood magic and is generally a good person, to the point that he'd/she'd rather die than sacrificing someone else i woudn't think of the person in question as evil.

I have to agree that such a blood mage wouldn't necessarily be evil.

However, between the practice of using the life force of others as its fuel and the ability to magically control others through blood magic, can we agree that it is prohibited because it is more open to abuse? The power is not necessarily evil in and of itself, but it lends itself to evil acts.


Back on topic, I don't know other than fair certainty that blood magic is going to be available.

[Amagoi]

leonia42 wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

me too, power isn't inherently good or evil, it's how you use it that makes the difference.

I'm not sure that's true in this case. The fade seems to naturally divide emotions into positive and negative, Thedas' magic derives from a place that does have absolutes.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

/thread

I'm more interested repercussions in the using of blood magic myself too. The idea that you can try to do something good with something that's believed to be pure evil is always cool to explore, even if it usually works out badly for the one exploring it.

Pratically, I just want someone to acknowledge the choice, even if it's "Hey Hawke, whatcha using that blood magic for? You so crazy!"

[Herr Uhl]

DragonOfWhiteThunder wrote...

Back on topic, I don't know other than fair certainty that blood magic is going to be available.

They made their trailer-Hawke a blood-mage. It is going to be there.

[Snoteye]

I would like to see a setting with a magic system that does not include mind control.

Modifié par Snoteye, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:17 .

[Herr Uhl]

Snoteye wrote...

I would like to see a setting with a magic system that did not include mind control.

When you're being controlled with blood magic it isn't as much mind control as body control, as you'd be aware of it if you were ever to regain control. Suggestion has been said to exist though, putting thoughts in people's minds. But that would only be available to the most powerful of blood-mages.

[Snoteye]

Well, I would like to see a magic system without puppeteering, too.

[Chuvvy]

aegiser wrote...

Blood magic can only be obtained by the most evil of acts: intentionally giving everyone in your party AIDS. Muhahahaha!!!!

We cured aids on the 8th. Just sayin'.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Blood magic doesn't exist in DA 2, it has been re-written as Happy-Sunshine-Funtime-Magic. You unlock it by releasing a unicorn trapped in the cotton candy jungle of the Free Marches. All spell effects are rainbows fired from the PC and generate messy kills.

[Crimson Invictus]

Snoteye wrote...

I would like to see a setting with a magic system that does not include mind control.

It is one of only a few types of magic I'm actually interested in yet always fails to live up to potential.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:51 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Blood magic doesn't exist in DA 2, it has been re-written as Happy-Sunshine-Funtime-Magic. You unlock it by releasing a unicorn trapped in the cotton candy jungle of the Free Marches. All spell effects are rainbows fired from the PC and generate messy kills.

That would be so awesome.

[atheelogos]

KDawg0713 wrote...

 I'm really curious about whether or not blood magic will be learned from another demon or maybe a blood mage this time.  I want to know about all specs, but as I'm seriously considering doing a blood mage who is actually a good person, I was wondering if learning it will require me to do something really evil again.

I have a feeling Hawke's father taught him and his sister blood magic in addition to the other schools he taught them before he died.

[Harid]

atheelogos wrote...

KDawg0713 wrote...

 I'm really curious about whether or not blood magic will be learned from another demon or maybe a blood mage this time.  I want to know about all specs, but as I'm seriously considering doing a blood mage who is actually a good person, I was wondering if learning it will require me to do something really evil again.

I have a feeling Hawke's father taught him and his sister blood magic in addition to the other schools he taught them before he died.

I doubt you are starting with any type of specialization.

And the devs aren't going to give away story details pre release.

Modifié par Harid, 15 janvier 2011 - 07:59 .

[AlexXIV]

I hope the way to get bloodmagic is linked to lore. In DA:O it was only the first time. You felt bad for it because of Connor etc. But the next playthroughs it was just like any other skill you chose.

[atheelogos]

AlexXIV wrote...

I hope the way to get bloodmagic is linked to lore. In DA:O it was only the first time. You felt bad for it because of Connor etc. But the next playthroughs it was just like any other skill you chose.

Yeah in my following playthroughs I just pretended Morrigan taught me Blood magic. I always felt there should have been an option for that anyway.

[VitruvianMan1987]

With Blood Magic you don't have to use abilities to manipulate the blood of others. In Origins the Activated ability causes your spells to take health from the Warden, and buffs the power of the spells.

[Marionetten]

By sacrificing an elf or two. Hopefully.

[Harid]

VitruvianMan1987 wrote...

With Blood Magic you don't have to use abilities to manipulate the blood of others. In Origins the Activated ability causes your spells to take health from the Warden, and buffs the power of the spells.

According to the lore, you are supposed to.

I think Avernus alluded to using blood magic to get noble support in Warden's Keep dlc, IIRC.

Also, Blood Control.  The problem is the game never gave you the ability to do it in CS.  But conversely, they would have to add something unique to Warrior and Rogue to make it fair.

And I technically misread you, sorry.

Modifié par Harid, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:23 .

[AlexXIV]

Drawing from the strength or life force of others isn't inherently evil in my book. It depends on the situation. Let's say you think everyone is going to die, your party, the people you want to protect, etc. The only way out you see is using bloodmagic, which weakens some people (maybe kills a small number) but saves the majority, then it is surely not the most heroic course of action, but nessessary. It just happens in games like this that being the goody two shoe type of character leads to happy ending because you can pull off anything even without making questionable decisions. So the evil guy is left with being evil for the sake of evil, and never evil because you didn't have a choice.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:28 .