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[Omega_Spectre]

Good ideas people! Keep 'em coming.

Modifié par Omega_Spectre, 15 décembre 2010 - 08:35 .

[Omega_Spectre]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I have a question do anyone have the definition of Dark Energy or what it really is, before saying anything. I did forget some detail, but Tali and couple Quarians did mention it.

Dark energy is supposedly the force that is responsible for the constant and accelerated expansion of the known universe.

[Merchant2006]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

I haven't seen this topic brought up anywhere, so I thought I'd start this thread about the subject. If it has been previously talked about here on the forums, forgive my oversight.

Ok, so I've played ME2 a LOT. Love the game, story, characters, and combat. But early on when I first beat ME2, I started wondering, in ME1 the Reapers can't get into the galaxy en masse because the Protheans altered the signal that the Keepers would normally respond to and activate the Citadel. And Shepard stopped Saren from giving Sovereign control of the station to activate it as well.

In ME2, if you spoke to Gianna Parasini on Illium, she mentions that people are suddenly interested in dark energy. And when you rescue Tali on Haestrom she tells you that Dholen is destabilizing because of dark energy, but that it shouldn't be.

After you spank the Collectors on their home turf and start to haul gluteus maximus out of there, Harbinger tells you that basically you still haven't stopped them and they will find another way. What if the Reapers are manipulating dark energy themselves to destabilize Dholen and use it as their "Plan B" to re-enter the galaxy?

It seems to me that the Reapers, having cleansed the galaxy countless times without breaking a sweat, became way overconfident of themselves and never imagined that one lowly organic being would step up to stop them. With their main route of entry blocked, the Reapers would now have to use a sun as some kind of portal instead of the Citadel.

Just my thoughts on the subject. If anyone else has any other plausible theories, feel free to contribute. And please, let's keep it civil.

Oh. My. Damn. I swear by god, I am so glad I'm not the only person in the world who actually thought about this. I mean... I also had a theory that Reapers could travel through black holes (?!?!?!?) but... yeah. Destabilising a sun and making it into a black hole and using that as a 'warp' into the galaxy.

I mean hey it's just a theory and quite frankly the Reapers can do a lot of stuff so hey, why not ^^.

[Ship.wreck_]

I don't see how destroying the star will bring them into the Galaxy. I think IF this is directly connected to the Reapers maybe they're just using it as an experiment to develop their ability to destroy stars as a WMD.



Take out whole star systems in one strike, even if planets aren't destroyed by the destruction of the star, they will eventuall die without the energy source.

[Omega_Spectre]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Oh. My. Damn. I swear by god, I am so glad I'm not the only person in the world who actually thought about this. I mean... I also had a theory that Reapers could travel through black holes (?!?!?!?) but... yeah. Destabilising a sun and making it into a black hole and using that as a 'warp' into the galaxy.

I mean hey it's just a theory and quite frankly the Reapers can do a lot of stuff so hey, why not ^^.

Yeah, I was wondering why I never saw a thread anywhere talking about this. I usually see threads nit-picking on tiny issues that really just amounts to the devs goofed a little. Something I'm willing to forgive when focusing on the bigger picture of the ME Verse. But hey, it's good to see others like you picked up on that!

[Praetor Knight]

Googlesaurus wrote...

If they are destabilizing Dholen using dark energy eventually it will either become a brown dwarf, a supernova, a neutron star, or a black hole. How do these help the Reapers get into the galaxy?

Well, to stay within the game's lore and with how stars work, Dholen may be destabilized to provide the Reapers a source of eezo on the edge of the galaxy.

I thought that Dholen was massive enough as a red giant to create a supernova.

Edit: here are four links.

Eezo wiki thread
Dholen
Red Giant
Supernova

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 15 décembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[Omega_Spectre]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Googlesaurus wrote...

If they are destabilizing Dholen using dark energy eventually it will either become a brown dwarf, a supernova, a neutron star, or a black hole. How do these help the Reapers get into the galaxy?

Well, to stay within the game's lore and with how stars work, Dholen may be destabilized to provide the Reapers a source of eezo on the edge of the galaxy.

I thought that Dholen was massive enough as a red giant to create a supernova.

I can post links if anyone wants.

Go ahead and post some links on anything helpful Praetor!

[Googlesaurus]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Googlesaurus wrote...

If they are destabilizing Dholen using dark energy eventually it will either become a brown dwarf, a supernova, a neutron star, or a black hole. How do these help the Reapers get into the galaxy?

Well, to stay within the game's lore and with how stars work, Dholen may be destabilized to provide the Reapers a source of eezo on the edge of the galaxy.

I thought that Dholen was massive enough as a red giant to create a supernova.

Edit: here are four links.

Eezo wiki thread
Dholen
Red Giant
Supernova

And the Reapers might need that eezo for the proto-Reaper's element zero core. 

But how did the Reapers affect Dholen from so far away? Sovereign? Collectors? Harby pulling a fast one on us? So many questions...

[Praetor Knight]

Googlesaurus wrote...

And the Reapers might need that eezo for the proto-Reaper's element zero core.

And for their own use once they get inside the Milky Way.

But how did the Reapers affect Dholen from so far away? Sovereign? Collectors? Harby pulling a fast one on us? So many questions...

It was speculated in another thread that Sovereign was the one who introduced something to Dholen when contacting the Geth, running into Saren and making some Geth into Heretics.

What I'm not clear on is how far is the Far Rim, where Dholen is at, from the Perseus Veil and which Geth are actually present in Dholen's system. I assumed Heretics though.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 15 décembre 2010 - 10:33 .

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

My question: if it is relatively easy for the Reapers to come back without using the Citadel (and the ME3 trailer seems to show this) - why not just use that instead of using the Collectors to build a new Reaper?

[hooahguy]

Because then they lose the element of surprise.

[Chuvvy]

Dark Energy only expands the universe. Just making the reapers further away from us. Also they're not even sure it's real not like dark matter. We have evidence for that stuff.

[In Exile]

Googlesaurus wrote...

If they are destabilizing Dholen using dark energy eventually it will either become a brown dwarf, a supernova, a neutron star, or a black hole. How do these help the Reapers get into the galaxy?

Dark energy is applied BS phlembotium. For all we know it makes a wormhole, which is actually what I'd bet them using.

[Homey C-Dawg]

 I'm glad someone made a thread about this. I've been thinking about this Dholan theory ever since I noticed that all the dark energy talk in ME2 didn't actually lead to anything in the game, making me think it was setting something up for ME3.

According to Michio Kaku, who is a major contributer to the theoretical sciences in Mass Effect, the energy requirements to artificially create a wormhole is probably close to that of supernova. Dholan is aging faster than it should, possibly in preparation by the Reapers to go supernova early, thereby creating a power source vast enough to power their wormhole.

How did they start it happening? Who knows? Though it can be assumed that Sovereign spent some time in geth space at some point to recruit his heretic army. He may have coordinated with Harbinger and the rest of the Reapers to start Dholan's decay just in case his daring Saren/Geth/Citadel plan failed, which it did.

How will they make a wormhole within the galaxy when they're way outside the galaxy? Again who knows. Some kind of advanced Reaper tech that we don't know about.

This has been one of the prevailing theories in my mind about Dholan's purpose. I am very curious to see how it actually impacts the story.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:07 .

[Ship.wreck_]

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

My question: if it is relatively easy for the Reapers to come back without using the Citadel (and the ME3 trailer seems to show this) - why not just use that instead of using the Collectors to build a new Reaper?

The trailer didn't tell us ANYTHING about how the Reapers got in, for all we know they did end up using the Citadel some other way. Or had a backup Relay or any of a number of other possibilities besides... they just flew in. In another thread someone even advanced the theory that each Reaper could have it's own built in relay! Which was pretty cool!

I don't believe it because then the would never have needed the Citadel Relay in the first place but still... just saying we have NO idea at all. There's nothing in the Trailer that could help us draw conclusions about how they got in...

[Homey C-Dawg]

Well, we certainly can't tell everything thats going on in ME3 from a one minute trailer, but it's also no fun at all to just say "We don't know for sure so don't even talk about it."



Booooring. I'd rather speculate and theorize, which is why I prefer speculation threads like this over debating facts.

[Vaenier]

If they used the citadel, then the relays would be shut down and they would have won already, so that is not it. Conventional FTL is unlikely given the distance outside the galaxy they are. A backup relay is unlikely given the fact ME2 even existed. A wormhole is the most likely event to occur.

Only other option is just making something up on the spot that has nothing to do with the story so far.

[lovgreno]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Isn't Heastrom a bit too far from Earth?

Yeah, Haestrom is pretty dang far from Earth. But the Reapers have spread through the galaxy countless times before. I don't think that matters to them. We know they can move pretty freakin' fast when they want.

Well as long as there is a mass relay near it's easy to reach all parts of the galaxy where there are major civilisation to reap.

But to the OP; yes it is a interesting theory. Perhaps they were making a wormhole out of a black hole or something like that.

[Zulu_DFA]

If it were the Reapers manipulating the dark energy inside Dholen, Gianna Parasini would never detect "everybody's interest" in it.



A theory, explaning the Citadel gateway "plot hole", Saren's plan "plot hole", "everybody's interest" in the dark energy, the Protheans' interest in the early Humans, etc.

[Ship.wreck_]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Well, we certainly can't tell everything thats going on in ME3 from a one minute trailer, but it's also no fun at all to just say "We don't know for sure so don't even talk about it."

Booooring. I'd rather speculate and theorize, which is why I prefer speculation threads like this over debating facts.

Good call, I'm not saying we shouldn't speculate, I'm just saying we can't use the the trailer as a means to rule out any possibility. That info's just not there, so speculate what you think, but don't try to use the trailer to support or debunk any speculation. It only tells us that the Reapers are here, but doesn't help or hurt anyones idea's of HOW they're here...

Modifié par Ship.wreck , 16 décembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Ship.wreck_]

Vaenier wrote...

If they used the citadel, then the relays would be shut down and they would have won already, so that is not it. Conventional FTL is unlikely given the distance outside the galaxy they are. A backup relay is unlikely given the fact ME2 even existed. A wormhole is the most likely event to occur.
Only other option is just making something up on the spot that has nothing to do with the story so far.

I think that a backup relay is the most likely, just because they didn't use it immediately in ME2 doesn't mean they didn't have some other minions seting it up to be used in ME3 while we were dealing with the Collectors. In fact the collectors might make a perfect distraction for something like that.

And let's not forget that we've explored like... less than half the galaxy by now. Which means there could be other collector like, or even identical collector stations through out the galaxy working on all kinds of different side projects to help bring us down, in places where no known species has ever even been... let alone checked thoroughly for collectors / other minions we haven't seen yet.

So there could be someone out there bringing a backup relay online as we speak in ME2, or someone else BUILDING a backup relay from scratch if they don't have one already. There could even be a second Citadel out there somewhere in the stars that we don't even know about... so endless possibilities.

[Ship.wreck_]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If it were the Reapers manipulating the dark energy inside Dholen, Gianna Parasini would never detect "everybody's interest" in it.

A theory, explaning the Citadel gateway "plot hole", Saren's plan "plot hole", "everybody's interest" in the dark energy, the Protheans' interest in the early Humans, etc.

I think everybody's interested BECAUSE everybody can see that some dark energy juju's going down and nobody knows why. I mean weather the Reapers are causing it somehow or not, has no effect on if we can see it happeneing. So the Reapers can be doing it, and everybody can be watching it happen, and be interested. Reaper activity doesn't rule out the possibility of anyone's interest.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ship.wreck wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If it were the Reapers manipulating the dark energy inside Dholen, Gianna Parasini would never detect "everybody's interest" in it.

A theory, explaning the Citadel gateway "plot hole", Saren's plan "plot hole", "everybody's interest" in the dark energy, the Protheans' interest in the early Humans, etc.

I think everybody's interested BECAUSE everybody can see that some dark energy juju's going down and nobody knows why. I mean weather the Reapers are causing it somehow or not, has no effect on if we can see it happeneing. So the Reapers can be doing it, and everybody can be watching it happen, and be interested. Reaper activity doesn't rule out the possibility of anyone's interest.

Technically you're right, but since there is no dark energy build-up observations mentioned apart from Dholen (which is in the Geth quarantine zone), so it's not like "everyone can see it". So I doubt that this interest originates with ordinary parties. But if the Reapers are the source of this interest, then it means they aren't controlling the phenomenon, or there would have been nothing for Gianna to detect, as I've said.