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[Omega_Spectre]

@ Zulu DFA: Gianna never claimed to detect anything. She simply told Shepard that "everyone's talking about dark energy." That could easily mean the people who work the various labs on Noveria, since that's where she's been operating for the most part.

So no, she didn't do any detecting of her own. Just relayed a little info to Shep about what she's heard people talkin about.

Modifié par Omega_Spectre, 16 décembre 2010 - 02:11 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Perhaps dark energy is easily manipulated by Reapers. The Reapers may be manipulating dark energy everywhere in the galaxy preparing to open many wormholes so the can flood the galaxy at once. Who knows, maybe they are prematurely detonating other stars that the galactic community doesn't even know about on the far side of some off-limits relays in preparation to power these wormholes, and Dholan is simply the only one of the dcaying stars discovered.

If the galaxy was becoming full of dark energy disruptions preparing to become wormholes, then I'm sure the organic races would detect it all over the place and start talking.

Zulu_DFA wrote...
A theory, explaning the Citadel gateway "plot hole", Saren's plan "plot hole", "everybody's interest" in the dark energy, the Protheans' interest in the early Humans, etc.

Interesting, though pretty far fetched in my opinion. I prefer less conspiracy in my theories than "Everyone's lying to me."

Ship.wreck wrote...
So there could be someone out there bringing a backup relay online as we speak in ME2, or someone else BUILDING a backup relay from scratch if they don't have one already. There could even be a second Citadel out there somewhere in the stars that we don't even know about... so endless possibilities.

^ I like this thought. There are so many uncharted relays leading to who knows where, the Reapers may be able to drop in just about anywhere and for all we know they may have access to 75% (guess) of the relay network that the organic races have been afraid to explore.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The Codex says that less than 1% of the stars have been explored, which means there are billions of other star systems with no mass relays and are virtually forgotten about. Who's to say the Reapers don't have something hidden somewhere in the depths of the galaxy? I'm sure ME3 will turn out with an interesting twist of some sort in that regard.

[Homey C-Dawg]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The Codex says that less than 1% of the stars have been explored, which means there are billions of other star systems with no mass relays and are virtually forgotten about. Who's to say the Reapers don't have something hidden somewhere in the depths of the galaxy?

Exactly what I'm thinking. For that matter, how do we know the rest of the galaxy isn't packed full of dormant mass relays waiting to be activated by new spacefaring species. The galactic community may have only mapped 1% of the relays for all we know, yet the Reapers would have access to the entire network.

[Omega_Spectre]

Yeah, the galaxy is pretty freaking huge. I wouldn't expect most of it to be mapped, even by alien races more technologically advanced than us Humans. So who knows what's out there waiting for us in ME3...as well as future installments of the franchise.

[Illuminaut]

Interesting discussion to say the least. I know for one that the situation with Haestrom's sun is a big talking point and could make for an interesting plot device.



Wormhole? Maybe. Its speculated by several astrophysicists that 'black holes' could in fact be wormholes, which instead of simply crushing you into a quantum singularity COULD link one region of space to the other. However having it linking to dark space would involve some pretty hefty tech in order to make it work. Perhaps the overactive nature of the star thanks to the input of dark energy could be the Reapers subtly influencing it to create a wormhole when it collapses in on itself.



However, I don't see the 'weapon' concept as feasible. The purpose of the Reapers is to harvest the required genetic material to increase their numbers, and in turn keep the populous of the Galaxy in a constant cycle of rebirth and annihilation. What point would there be to annihilating perfectly usable genetic material in a supernova when it could be put to use creating new Reapers to extend their numbers?

[Omega_Spectre]

Illuminaut wrote...

Interesting discussion to say the least. I know for one that the situation with Haestrom's sun is a big talking point and could make for an interesting plot device.

Wormhole? Maybe. Its speculated by several astrophysicists that 'black holes' could in fact be wormholes, which instead of simply crushing you into a quantum singularity COULD link one region of space to the other. However having it linking to dark space would involve some pretty hefty tech in order to make it work. Perhaps the overactive nature of the star thanks to the input of dark energy could be the Reapers subtly influencing it to create a wormhole when it collapses in on itself.


However, I don't see the 'weapon' concept as feasible. The purpose of the Reapers is to harvest the required genetic material to increase their numbers, and in turn keep the populous of the Galaxy in a constant cycle of rebirth and annihilation. What point would there be to annihilating perfectly usable genetic material in a supernova when it could be put to use creating new Reapers to extend their numbers?

Yeah, I've always wondered about the nature of black holes ever since I was a kid. I imagined them being these super powerful vortexes pulling stuff from our univrse into another separate universe. The possibility of them being used as wormholes by the Reapers is something that would be cool to see in ME3.

Also, the Reapers seem powerful enough with the weapons they already have at their disposal. I don't think the Reapers would wipe out billions of people using a supernova either. It wouldn't make sense. They need us in some way so they can survive. 

Modifié par Omega_Spectre, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:06 .

[Illuminaut]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Illuminaut wrote...

Interesting discussion to say the least. I know for one that the situation with Haestrom's sun is a big talking point and could make for an interesting plot device.

Wormhole? Maybe. Its speculated by several astrophysicists that 'black holes' could in fact be wormholes, which instead of simply crushing you into a quantum singularity COULD link one region of space to the other. However having it linking to dark space would involve some pretty hefty tech in order to make it work. Perhaps the overactive nature of the star thanks to the input of dark energy could be the Reapers subtly influencing it to create a wormhole when it collapses in on itself.

Yeah, I've always wondered about the nature of black holes since I was a kid. I imagined them being super powerful vortexes pulling stuff from our universe into another separate universe. The possiblity of them being used as wormholes by the Reapers is something that would be cool to see in ME3.

However, I don't see the 'weapon' concept as feasible. The purpose of the Reapers is to harvest the required genetic material to increase their numbers, and in turn keep the populous of the Galaxy in a constant cycle of rebirth and annihilation. What point would there be to annihilating perfectly usable genetic material in a supernova when it could be put to use creating new Reapers to extend their numbers?

I agree with you there. The Reapers seem powerful enough with the weapons they already have at their disposal. I don't think the Reapers would wipe out billions of people using a supernova either. It wouldn't make sense. They need us in some way so they can survive. 

Also consider that there's THOUSANDS of black holes scattered around the galaxy to begin with. If the "black holes as wormholes' theory is true, then the Reapers have themselves their own Mass Relay system with potentially THOUSANDS of networked connections. This inveritably could explain the burning question of how they got to Earth so swiftly from all the way out in dark space.

[earthbornFemShep]

My money is on "wormhole"... but that's probably because that explanation always works out for Star Trek plot convenience.



Yeah, they have been hinting at dark energy throughout ME2... Tali, Parasini, etc. I'd hope that it plays out to actually be something and isn't just left hanging there.

[darth_lopez]

klossen4 wrote...

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Googlesaurus wrote...


If they are destabilizing Dholen using dark energy eventually it will either become a brown dwarf, a supernova, a neutron star, or a black hole. How do these help the Reapers get into the galaxy?

That is possible. It's also possible that Dholen could become some kind of wormhole for the Reapers to come through.

well they did make a collector base center of the galaxy

and we knwo from our current scientific theory that there is a massive black hole there so perhaps they know some way to turn a Black Hole into a worm hole?

[Omega_Spectre]

True. That's why I'm thinking the dark energy talked about in ME2 could possibly be the Reapers' "Plan B". Who knows what they're capable of. We still don't know much about them, even still most in the ME Verse just think the Reapers are nothing more than myth.



Just think of a possible scene in ME3 playing out as reports from around the galaxy start pouring in about more suns going haywire because of dark enegy. And then, you've got stars in uninhabited systems turning into black holes and the Reapers are coming through. That would be something!

[darth_lopez]

Oh ho Omega i didn't even think about it affecting other stars....heastrom is inside heretic geth territory too perfect place for a reaper testing ground.

it could also explain why earths skies looked soo gloomy in the trailer. >> that or that's whole lto fo smoke

Modifié par darth_lopez, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[Omega_Spectre]

darth_lopez wrote...

Oh ho Omega i didn't even think about it affecting other stars....heastrom is inside heretic geth territory too perfect place for a reaper testing ground.

it could also explain why earths skies looked soo gloomy in the trailer. >> that or that's whole lto fo smoke

Hey, when you wanna bring the apocalypse why only come through one point? Come from everywhere at once.

[Omega_Spectre]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

My money is on "wormhole"... but that's probably because that explanation always works out for Star Trek plot convenience.

I know right! It was always either the (Enterprise or Voyager) being endangered by a wormhole, or they'd find a way to use a wormhole to their advantage.

[darth_lopez]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Oh ho Omega i didn't even think about it affecting other stars....heastrom is inside heretic geth territory too perfect place for a reaper testing ground.

it could also explain why earths skies looked soo gloomy in the trailer. >> that or that's whole lto fo smoke

Hey, when you wanna bring the apocalypse why only come through one point? Come from everywhere at once.

my theory was they were individually activating key relays through means of another hub like the citadel but it had 1 problem...it negates the need of the citadel. and flying in with standard FTL won't work...they need to cut us all off rather simultaneously too at least the humans and the turians...what a better way to do it than by entering through their suns....unforunately that means Earth will die anyway v.v lest they entered through alhpa centari or the star at arcturus..wormholes are the way to go

Modifié par darth_lopez, 16 décembre 2010 - 11:47 .

[Omega_Spectre]

darth_lopez wrote...

Omega_Spectre wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Oh ho Omega i didn't even think about it affecting other stars....heastrom is inside heretic geth territory too perfect place for a reaper testing ground.

it could also explain why earths skies looked soo gloomy in the trailer. >> that or that's whole lto fo smoke

Hey, when you wanna bring the apocalypse why only come through one point? Come from everywhere at once.

my theory was they were individually activating key relays through means of another hub like the citadel but it had 1 problem...it negates the need of the citadel. and flying in with standard FTL won't work...they need to cut us all off rather simultaneously too at least the humans and the turians...what a better way to do it than by entering through their suns....unforunately that means Earth will die anyway v.v lest they entered through alhpa centari or the star at arcturus..wormholes are the way to go

Yeah, that's what Illuminaut and I spoke about. It wouldn't make sense to do that to the parent stars of each species solar system. Otherwise what's the point of "Reaping". The Reapers definitely have a way back, it could be anything. But if it does have anything to do with Haestrom's sun, maybe that's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Jamin101]

Orion55 wrote...

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Gnas wrote...

What if the use of the mass relays is impacting the proliferation of dark energy and the Reapers and the galaxy community are jeopardizing the galaxy as a whole?

That's an interesting theory, it hadn't crossed my mind before. Seems like a side effect from use of the relays that the galactic community is unaware of. 

Talk about over thinking it. "Using mass relays pollutes the universe" What, is Shepherd supposed to ride his bike to work. This might be theoretically possible, but in the context of story, irrelevant.

how is it irrelevant? i posted a theory in a reaper thread a few weeks ago.

What if going light speed, using mass effect fields, starships all that technology is bad for the universe in someway (dont really know what dark matter is).

So every 50,000 years the reapers kill everyone so dark energy pollution goes down and doesnt destroy the universe. Thats why its salvation through destruction because to save the galaxy there cannot be space fareing races for too long.

Since the keeper signal never went polution has gone on way longer then supposed to thats why dark matter is appearing in places.

I randomly thought of this as a way to maybe have the reapers not "evil"

[Jamin101]

Elcirith wrote...

As I posted in the Mass Effect 3 VGA trailer forum,

My thoughts exactly. Also, this post got me thinking: http://social.biowar...470776#5471250. What if the continued use of the mass relays over millions and millions of years has resulted in the release of an exponentially huge amount of dark energy. Dark energy is the name given to the mysterious force that is driving galaxies apart and increasing the rate of expansion of the universe. The Big Rip theory claims that billions or even trillions of years from now, dark energy will be not only pushing galaxies apart, but also causing galaxies to disintegrate by forcing stars away from each other, and then it will start splitting up solar system eventually resulting in the splitting of fundamental particles. What if this excess amount of dark energy produced by mass relays is causing the galaxy to become unstable and Haestrom's sun is just the start. More stars could start becoming unstable due to dark energy in their cores and stars could start drifting apart.

This sounds like a complete longshot though. someone also pointed out that the mass relays in other areas of the galaxy should be used more often than those close to Haestrom which makes it weird that Haestrom is the one developing instability due to dark energy. The dark energy in Haestrom's core starts to sound very deliberate.

Also, could the Reapers have sacrificed one of their own in order to construct a mass relay in dark space in order to shoot themselves to earth?

wish i read this before posting, seems like you and me have a similar idea except you have more science involved

[Vaenier]

If you are trying to stop dark energy, you are 13.7 billion years late. It composes 75% of the universe.

Modifié par Vaenier, 17 décembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[Omega_Spectre]

Jamin101 wrote...

Orion55 wrote...

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Gnas wrote...

What if the use of the mass relays is impacting the proliferation of dark energy and the Reapers and the galaxy community are jeopardizing the galaxy as a whole?

That's an interesting theory, it hadn't crossed my mind before. Seems like a side effect from use of the relays that the galactic community is unaware of. 

Talk about over thinking it. "Using mass relays pollutes the universe" What, is Shepherd supposed to ride his bike to work. This might be theoretically possible, but in the context of story, irrelevant.

how is it irrelevant? i posted a theory in a reaper thread a few weeks ago.

What if going light speed, using mass effect fields, starships all that technology is bad for the universe in someway (dont really know what dark matter is).

So every 50,000 years the reapers kill everyone so dark energy pollution goes down and doesnt destroy the universe. Thats why its salvation through destruction because to save the galaxy there cannot be space fareing races for too long.

Since the keeper signal never went polution has gone on way longer then supposed to thats why dark matter is appearing in places.

I randomly thought of this as a way to maybe have the reapers not "evil"

^ Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way! That's an interesting concept. Keeping everything in balance by cleaning house every 50,000 years.

[Googlesaurus]

Jamin101 wrote...

how is it irrelevant? i posted a theory in a reaper thread a few weeks ago.

What if going light speed, using mass effect fields, starships all that technology is bad for the universe in someway (dont really know what dark matter is).

So every 50,000 years the reapers kill everyone so dark energy pollution goes down and doesnt destroy the universe. Thats why its salvation through destruction because to save the galaxy there cannot be space fareing races for too long.

Since the keeper signal never went polution has gone on way longer then supposed to thats why dark matter is appearing in places.

I randomly thought of this as a way to maybe have the reapers not "evil"

Then the entire thing is the Reapers' fault anyway since they created the Citadel and the mass relays, knowing that future races would develop their technology in a similar manner. 

[DadeLeviathan]

It takes billions of years for a star to turn into a red giant, let alone go nova (if it does go nova). Even with "dark energy" speeding up the process, you're stilling talking about a few million years AT LEAST. Not to mention that even the reapers would be vaporized instantly if they entered through a red giant. Those things are massive and dense enough to fuse iron.

Modifié par DadeLeviathan, 17 décembre 2010 - 02:38 .

[Omega_Spectre]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

It takes billions of years for a star to turn into a red giant, let alone go nova (if it does go nova). Even with "dark energy" speeding up the process, you're stilling talking about a few million years AT LEAST. Not to mention that even the reapers would be vaporized instantly if they entered through a red giant. Those things are massive and dense enough to fuse iron.

Yeah, but as far as the story of ME2 goes, we know that Dholen is aging way faster than it should. That can only mean that it will eventually go supernova, leaving a black hole in the aftermath. No one's suggesting that the Reaper fleet is going to fly through a star while it's still alive. If one Reaper has no chance against a fleet of starships, what sense would it make to fly into or through a star?

No, the idea is that the Reapers could somehow be manipulating dark energy inside Dholen, causing it to prematurely go nova and giving them access to a black hole/wormhole to re-enter the galaxy to begin their onslaught anew. 

When in the realm of science-fiction, almost anythig is possible. 

[Praetor Knight]

Omega_Spectre wrote...

Yeah, but as far as the story of ME2 goes, we know that Dholen is aging way faster than it should. That can only mean that it will eventually go supernova, leaving a black hole in the aftermath. No one's suggesting that the Reaper fleet is going to fly through a star while it's still alive. If one Reaper has no chance against a fleet of starships, what sense would it make to fly into or through a star?

No, the idea is that the Reapers could somehow be manipulating dark energy inside Dholen, causing it to prematurely go nova and giving them access to a black hole/wormhole to re-enter the galaxy to begin their onslaught anew. 

When in the realm of science-fiction, almost anythig is possible. 

At least giving the reapers an excellent source of eezo.

Also Dholen can collapse into a neutron star instead of a black hole.

[Homey C-Dawg]

The "universe polluted by organics and Reapers are keeping it clean" is a neat theory I hadn't seen before. It would certainly help to characterize the Reaper more.

I'm sure the Reapers are not detonating stars to use as a weapon (detonating homeworld stars) since, as mentioned, the want to reap us, not destroy us.

www.youtube.com/watch for those who haven't seen it yet.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 17 décembre 2010 - 08:57 .