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Will the Reapers use Haestrom's sun to re-enter the galaxy?


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most likely the reapers will attak earth in middle of the game but shepard was already getting ready before that and the reason earth is the first attaked planet cause the reapers are pissed off at shepard ****in with them

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Well the idea is that they don't have a way into the galaxy... currently (apart from just slowly flying in).  Hence the Haestrom theory.... I suggested further up (others probably have too) that destablizing Haestrom's sun could be the Reapers' crude and desperate action to get into the galaxy (probably through some agents within the galaxy), because the citadel is no longer an option.  One of the nice things about this idea is that it neatly explains why the citadel was such an important device for the Reapers - that it provides them with safe passage unlike the dangerous and violent alternative of a raw wormhole (let's assume that making a raw wormhole is extremely costly to the Reapers).  It also reinforces the idea that without some kind of portal it would take the Reapers a horrendous amount of time to reach the galaxy (time the reapers don't want galactic civilisation to have in order to advance and become too much of a threat).


Yes, but also Sovereign had enough time to subtly place his forces and gather allies to take back the Citadel. Why go through a complex and totally overly-complicated plan when they could just explode a star and turn it into a wormhole(which given the fact ME universe doesn't touch hyperspace or slipspace like other Sci-fi universes, using instead the relatively low-tech FTL travel, I seriously doubt they would go and put a wormhole into the game) It just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't just try this first. Unless, you know, they really do care about the galaxy and have a big problem blowing up stars.

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FoxShadowblade wrote...

AwesomeName wrote...

Well the idea is that they don't have a way into the galaxy... currently (apart from just slowly flying in).  Hence the Haestrom theory.... I suggested further up (others probably have too) that destablizing Haestrom's sun could be the Reapers' crude and desperate action to get into the galaxy (probably through some agents within the galaxy), because the citadel is no longer an option.  One of the nice things about this idea is that it neatly explains why the citadel was such an important device for the Reapers - that it provides them with safe passage unlike the dangerous and violent alternative of a raw wormhole (let's assume that making a raw wormhole is extremely costly to the Reapers).  It also reinforces the idea that without some kind of portal it would take the Reapers a horrendous amount of time to reach the galaxy (time the reapers don't want galactic civilisation to have in order to advance and become too much of a threat).


Yes, but also Sovereign had enough time to subtly place his forces and gather allies to take back the Citadel. Why go through a complex and totally overly-complicated plan when they could just explode a star and turn it into a wormhole(which given the fact ME universe doesn't touch hyperspace or slipspace like other Sci-fi universes, using instead the relatively low-tech FTL travel, I seriously doubt they would go and put a wormhole into the game) It just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't just try this first. Unless, you know, they really do care about the galaxy and have a big problem blowing up stars.


Nonono, dude, read my post - the whole point is that it's extremely dangerous for the Reapers - hence it would be an act of desperation for them, and why the citadel was so important.  Furthermore, using the citadel was never meant to be complex - it was meant to be as simple as sending a signal... with all the Reapers thus flooding in - except the protheans broke that system, and when Sovereign saw that its signal didn't work, it had to make allies and physically dock with the citadel to manually retake control.

If they don't write something like this, and the Reapers simply fly in, then their need for the citadel as a giant relay will feel utterly pointless.  Hopefully they'll explain that the Reapers would otherwise spend, let's say, thousands of years to get to the galaxy.

Btw, ME does have something akin to hyperspace - the mass relay network - they don't just use FTL.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there more than one star that is aging prematurely in ME2? If so, I think it would suggest that something larger is at work here. Given the timing, it's probably something to do with the Reapers, but I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that they're using Haestrom as a backdoor. If that was the case, it seems to me that they would use a system closer to Earth and/or the Citadel.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there more than one star that is aging prematurely in ME2? If so, I think it would suggest that something larger is at work here. Given the timing, it's probably something to do with the Reapers, but I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that they're using Haestrom as a backdoor. If that was the case, it seems to me that they would use a system closer to Earth and/or the Citadel.


Don't see why they would have to use a system closer to Earth - once they're in the galaxy, they've got easy access to their own relay network.

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AwesomeName wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there more than one star that is aging prematurely in ME2? If so, I think it would suggest that something larger is at work here. Given the timing, it's probably something to do with the Reapers, but I wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that they're using Haestrom as a backdoor. If that was the case, it seems to me that they would use a system closer to Earth and/or the Citadel.


Don't see why they would have to use a system closer to Earth - once they're in the galaxy, they've got easy access to their own relay network.


It just seems like an odd choice of venue... I don't think the Reapers are too worried about making a stealthy arrival at this stage.

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Also if the Reaper are causing the instability in Dholan (and maybe other stars), we don't know when they would have started the process. It takes a while obviously since Haestrom's codex says the Quarians colonized it to study the prematurely dying sun (which would have been well over 300 years ago).

The Reapers may have started the decay of the star(s) as a "in case the worst should happen" backup plan once they realized the Citadel signal didn't work. We don't know when they wopuld have first noticed this. It could be as far back as before the Rachni wars.

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Haestrom's sun is smack dab in the middle of Geth territory, if the Heretics ere "poisoning" the sun at the Reapers behest then we can assume the Reapers told the Geth of their entrance plans and after you rewrite them (if you chose to), the Geth would station sizable fleets within the systems to counter the Reaper invasion.



Also, is Dholan in Geth space? If so they may station fleets there too.

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008Zulu wrote...

Haestrom's sun is smack dab in the middle of Geth territory, if the Heretics ere "poisoning" the sun at the Reapers behest then we can assume the Reapers told the Geth of their entrance plans and after you rewrite them (if you chose to), the Geth would station sizable fleets within the systems to counter the Reaper invasion.

Also, is Dholan in Geth space? If so they may station fleets there too.


Dholen is the name of Haestrom's sun. And your right, if the star's decay has something to do with the Reapers, this would be a good place to have the "re-write/destroy heretics" decision make a difference.

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Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Dholen is the name of Haestrom's sun. And your right, if the star's decay has something to do with the Reapers, this would be a good place to have the "re-write/destroy heretics" decision make a difference.


They way I read it above, it made it seem as if Dholan was a different sytem.

Wouldn't it be a laugh if, by rewriting the Geth, the invasion of Earth never happens because the Reapers are bogged down fighting the Geth?