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[Nohvarr]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Yes because wanting someone to dress normally for a fight is being a prude.

*grin* And who defines normal? That's normal for her, just because it's not something you'd wear is no reason for her to stop.

I just hope you'd be as supportive as a male wearing nothing but a thong and boots.

God of war comes pretty close. Dante from DMC 3 had no shirt on. Thanes bared his chest all throughout ME 2...The Prince of Persia stripped down to just pants in PoP SOT and Two Thrones...shall I go on?

As for the what Hawke is for: Whose to say every Hawke would even be willing to sleep with her? 

Their loss, and I'm sure Varric could be persuaded to provide a little heat...

Modifié par Nohvarr, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[tishyw]

Nohvarr wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Warmth is always nice.

That's what Hawk is for...

Not drawing attention to youself because you're a sneaky-sneaky rogue pirate, that's nice too.

Who said she's that kind of rogue? Not all rogues try to go unnoticed, some take the opposite route. Sometime stealth is better accomplished by slight of hand. Get the mark to look one way, say at her legs, instead of somewhere else, say her hands holding the blade. 

And...not wearing clothes makes you trampy (replace this with a non-gender-inclined word for "I'm really easy"). I'm just gonna say it. I think the same thing of guys who walk around shirtless because DUDE MY PECS. She's walking around pantless and that says LOOK, HERE'S MY ASS.

So she's aware of her sexuality, there's nothing wrong with that

That may be her personality, but it certainly doesn't endear me to her, nor more than Zevran's sleazyness did. I ended up liking Zevran, but only after getting over his constant "I like sex and bondage and whipping" thing.

That's fine, you don't have to like every character they create, your hatred of her personallity quirks and style is just as valid as another persons adoration. It mearly proves that Bioware's done their Job by creating a character that creates such a visceral reaction in some people.

Also, to those saying we can't change their armor, we've already seen Aveline's armor change and we've been told that you can in fact purchase clothing items as the game progresses. So, perhaps for all you prudes, she can be convinced to put on pants.

*muttering* "Really people, just because she's enjoying what the Maker blessed her with..."

Yes, because name calling is such a good way to convince us that you're argument is valid.

And no, it's been confirmed that we cannot change their appearance in the game, any clothing items we purchase are for the PC only, not the other characters.  We've also been told that getting the armor change is an exception rather than the rule, so it's more likely than not the Isabela will be fighting in her undies for the entire game.

[AbounI]

shepard_lives wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

maybe this could mean there's a resistance against kirkwall's current regime.

I thought the exact same thing.

I expect Varric to sing this in front of the crowd.

If this supposition is right, what do we have to think 'bout Cassandra?
From the Varric's concept where he is sitting in his throne with a glass of wine in his hand, we can suppose he's at home, so it would mean Cassandra must have seen this logo.Right?

Modifié par AbounI, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[nijnij]

The apparent absence of eye pupils disturbs me more than the horns. Sten was stoic as hell but at least, he had a really intense look beneath those severe arcades of his.

[Ryzaki]

Nohvarr wrote...

*grin* And who defines normal? That's normal for her, just because it's not something you'd wear is no reason for her to stop.

What defines normal is usally what helps you in a fight. Exposing your chest and thighs isn't usually overly helpful. Nor what I'd expect someone who fights with "quickness and whit." 

God of war comes pretty close. Dante from DMC 3 had no shirt on. Thanes bared his chest all throughout ME 2...The Prince of Persia stripped down to just pants in PoP SOT and Two Thrones...shall I go on?

Wrong! All those males are full dressed from the bottom and Dante actually wears a badass longcoat! Dante also has a demon father and can do ridculously high jumps as can te other two. Can Isabela do those things? 

None of them wear no damn pants. (particularly the reason I didn't mention Isabela's exposed chest!)

For Pictures Sake

Dante
Thane
PoP SOT
POP TT 

Their loss, and I'm sure Varric could be persuaded to provide a little heat...

Unless of course he's romancing Hawke.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:32 .

[Nohvarr]

All right to be clear, things in italics are meant as a joke, especially since people take some of this stuff too seriously. Second, I'll try and fine the screenshot that shows aveline's other set of gear.

As for the Prudes...I'll be sure to put it in italics next time.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[Reverie]

Her no pants stance just seems.. odd.



And Varric? No thanks. Reminds me too much of my brother.

[Atakuma]

Isabela already has large breasts, and plenty of cleavage to express her sexuality, so her wearing nothing but a thong is just obnoxious and crude.

[In Exile]

Ryzaki wrote...

Why would we exaggerate about that? 

Because it sounds like a snappy soundbite?

Brockololly wrote...
Oh, come on man! Thats Hot Rod
Samurai! No pants clearly is advantageous in heavy melee combat
situations! And since the lack of clothing makes you such a better
fighter, I bet her second unique look is just being completely naked!
But hey, you can enchant her with runes, so she'll still be able to tank
in the buff, worry not. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

I'm a fan of the new artstyle, look, armours, etc. You're not really striking a chord with the attitude. I just don't see why she shouldn't have pants. I'm going to stand by my initial statement she has so much sex they get in the way.

[tishyw]

Nohvarr wrote...

All right to be clear, things in italics are meant as a joke, especially since people take some of this stuff too seriously. Second, I'll try and fine the screenshot that shows aveline's other set of gear.

As for the Prudes...I'll be sure to put it in italics next time.

We know that Aveline gets a second set of gear, we also know that Mike said it was the exception rather than the rule to get it.

We also know that we cannot change the appears of the companions ourselves, if they don't get a second set of gear, then their look stays to same all through the game.

[Ryzaki]

Nohvarr wrote...

All right to be clear, things in italics are meant as a joke, especially since people take some of this stuff too seriously. Second, I'll try and fine the screenshot that shows aveline's other set of gear.

As for the Prudes...I'll be sure to put it in italics next time.

You shouldn't insult people as a joke. It's not cute in the least.

And we weren't talking about Aveline we were discussing Isabela.

Though yes I have seen Aveline's armor. It was fine (a little ugly look and the textures looked off but hopefully that was just the picture resolution).

Edit: @TheExile: I fail to see why you thought it would be a snappy soundbite and if it was why wouldn't someone have corrected us.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:35 .

[Nohvarr]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

*grin* And who defines normal? That's normal for her, just because it's not something you'd wear is no reason for her to stop.

What defines normal is usally what helps you in a fight. Exposing your chest and thighs isn't usually overly helpful. Nor what I'd expect someone who fights with "quickness and whit." 

Ah but that's *Your* definition of normal and not hers. She's allowed to wear whatever she wants for whatever her reasons are. I mean Batman's been geting away with fighting in a cape and tights against gun toting enemies for years. Kratos, Dante and the Prince face exceptionally powerful foes with little to no armor.  Now you want to complain about a woman in a fantasy setting doing the same thing?

S.God of war comes pretty close. Dante from DMC 3 had no shirt on. Thanes bared his chest all throughout ME 2...The Prince of Persia stripped down to just pants in PoP SOT and Two Thrones...shall I go on?

Wrong! All those males are full dressed from the bottom and Dante actually wears a badass longcoat!

And you'll notice I said pretty close. However the point still stands, they are not wearing armor, and they are not hindered in a fight. 

Their loss, and I'm sure Varric could be persuaded to provide a little heat...

Unless of course he's romancing Hawke.

Unknown. However there's always some one out there willing to give of themselves to keep a lady warm

Modifié par Nohvarr, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:36 .

[In Exile]

Nohvarr wrote...
Ah but that's *Your* definition of normal and not hers. She's allowed to wear whatever she wants for whatever her reasons are. I mean Batman's been geting away with fighting in a cape and tights against gun toting enemies for years. Kratos, Dante and the Prince face exceptionally powerful foes with little to no armor.  Now you want to complain about a woman in a fantasy setting doing the same thing?

There's a difference between individual expression and normal. Isabella obviously thinks the right way to express herself is to go around in a t-shirt and thong. Awesome for her. That doesn't mean it isn't a massive outlier. I mean, even a worker in the sex-trade keeps the pants on until after you pay.

Look, I'm a big fan of the direction of DA2, but the no pants thing is more ridiculous than Jack's overal bra or Miranda's ass cam.

[Ryzaki]

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah but that's *Your* definition of normal and not hers. She's allowed to wear whatever she wants for whatever her reasons are. I mean Batman's been geting away with fighting in a cape and tights against gun toting enemies for years. Kratos, Dante and the Prince face exceptionally powerful foes with little to no armor.  Now you want to complain about a woman in a fantasy setting doing the same thing?

I distinctly remember Batman having futuristic technology. (Not to mention it's a comic and comics ar always rather...out there.)


And of course she's allowed to wear whatever she wants. That doesn't make her look any less ridculous.

I hate GoW and always thought it was silly, Dante has a demon father and isn't completely human and the Prince has insane aerobatic abilities and a magic dagger that reverses time. Does that mean if half demons, and magical daggers appeared in DAO I should just accept it? 

And you'll notice I said pretty close. However the point still stands, they are not wearing armor, and they are not hindered in a fight.

It's not pretty close because all of those characters are either A. From JRPGs or B. Have inhuman capabilities (or C.  A magical dagger hat reverses time for when they're badly hurt and spend most of the damn game running along walls anyways and armor would actually weight them down). And again.It's not close. Her exposed chest is pretty equal to them not wearing a shirt. Running around in boots and a thong? No. I don't know about Kratos because as I said I don't care for GoW but the Prince has a magical dagger that reverses time and the abilitiy to run up walls away from opponents that threaten him with ease and they can't reach him, Dante has a damn demon sword (I think). So yeah not really comparable.

Unknown. However there's always some one out there willing to give of themselves to keep a lady warm

Ah true. But there's more people at the moment flinging arrows at her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:50 .

[Brockololly]

In Exile wrote...
I just don't see why she shouldn't have pants.

Because as Goldman and BioWare has said, they want DA2 to be "grim, bloody and sexy." So apparently the lack of pants falls under the "sexy" moniker.

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[namedforthemoon]

This thread is going to get locked because it keeps veering off to Isabela's lack of pants. There's other threads for that argument. Lots of great stuff to speculate on from the Gamespro article and screenshots, though.

[Nohvarr]

In Exile wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...
Ah but that's *Your* definition of normal and not hers. She's allowed to wear whatever she wants for whatever her reasons are. I mean Batman's been geting away with fighting in a cape and tights against gun toting enemies for years. Kratos, Dante and the Prince face exceptionally powerful foes with little to no armor.  Now you want to complain about a woman in a fantasy setting doing the same thing?

There's a difference between individual expression and normal. Isabella obviously thinks the right way to express herself is to go around in a t-shirt and thong. Awesome for her. That doesn't mean it isn't a massive outlier. I mean, even a worker in the sex-trade keeps the pants on until after you pay.

Look, I'm a big fan of the direction of DA2, but the no pants thing is more ridiculous than Jack's overal bra or Miranda's ass cam.

Normal is defined by the rules of the universe you'e playing in. In DC comics it's fine for a man to dress up in cape, cowel, and tights to fight crime. In God Of War, you can challenge the king of Olympos in Sandals and some shorts. In Baldur's Gate you can take on Dragon with your bare fists and some nice monk robes. So why is it a problem for a mature woman capable of making her own decisions to wear what she wants in Dragon Age 2?

It's not pretty close because all of those characters are either A. From JRPGs or B.

I'm going to have to stop you there, of the many thing DMC series may be, a JRPG isn't one of them. That said, in the interest of keeping this particualr thread from being crushed under 'LOCKDOWN' for veering off topic, I will restric my comments upon this debate to another thread.

You may expect my further comments there either later this evening or late tomorrow night. Until then have a pleasant evening, and enjoy your current discussion.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:45 .

[Saibh]

Nohvarr wrote...

That's fine, you don't have to like every character they create, your hatred of her personallity quirks and style is just as valid as another persons adoration. It mearly proves that Bioware's done their Job by creating a character that creates such a visceral reaction in some people.

Also, to those saying we can't change their armor, we've already seen Aveline's armor change and we've been told that you can in fact purchase clothing items as the game progresses. So, perhaps for all you prudes, she can be convinced to put on pants.

*muttering* "Really people, just because she's enjoying what the Maker blessed her with..."

Well, first of all:

Disliking a character because she inexplicably refuses to wear pants is not the same as hating a character with a passion.

Second of all, it says nothing about the writers' skill if someone ends up disliking a character based on the lower article of clothing. 

Last, I don't hate Isabela. I'm "meh" on her, but she's not endearing herself to me any.

[Xewaka]

Nohvarr wrote...

Normal is defined by the rules of the universe you'e playing in. In DC comics it's fine for a man to dress up in cape, cowel, and tights to fight crime. In God Of War, you can challenge the king of Olympos in Sandals and some shorts. In Baldur's Gate you can take on Dragon with your bare fists and some nice monk robes. So why is it a problem for a mature woman capable of making her own decisions to wear what she wants in Dragon Age 2?

Because, as you said, the rules of the universe determine that what she's doing is stupid.
I don't mind the pantlessness off-combat (how she earns her life now that she's without a ship is none of my concern); but in combat, no matter how flashy her combat style is, she's just asking to get nailed by a stray thrust.

[Liablecocksman]

In Exile wrote...
There's a difference between individual expression and normal. Isabella obviously thinks the right way to express herself is to go around in a t-shirt and thong. Awesome for her. That doesn't mean it isn't a massive outlier. I mean, even a worker in the sex-trade keeps the pants on until after you pay.

Look, I'm a big fan of the direction of DA2, but the no pants thing is more ridiculous than Jack's overal bra or Miranda's ass cam.

You said it, man.
I completely agree with everything stated.

[crimzontearz]

I will re-state my opinion



I like Isabela, her Love interest subplot has potential as I'd love to see just how Hawke can reel her in and turn her into a one-partner-woman (yes I am a possessive person and so are almost all my characters)...amd the whole shift between being ****-buddies to an actual item



yet



her outfit is somewhat ridiculous for a heavy melee fighter, the whole "she is so awesome she does not need body armor" holds no water whatsoever when she is going up against fully armored opponents and several of them.



but that's just how I feel about it

[Ryzaki]

I'm going to have to stop you there, of the many thing DMC series may be, a JRPG isn't one of them. That said, in the interest of keeping this particualr thread from being crushed under 'LOCKDOWN' for veering off topic, I will restric my comments upon this debate to another thread.

It's a action game but has a very typical japanese style. Super powers, power ups, fancy moves. Very over the top and dramatic. Allies and enemies wear clothing and has over the top abilties and what not. But frankly I just was sick of the "prude" arguement. It's the same as saying if you don't mind Isabela's outfit you're a teenaged drooling fanboy who does nothing but ****** at the shot of her ass.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 décembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[Chaia]

Herr Uhl wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...
Like it's symbolizing something... This particular group shall overcome or overpower that particular group, possibly. I don't know what groups, but considering the first trailer where all the mages seem to be fighting all the templars (or grey wardens, as mentioned in the director's cut) it could have something to do with that. 


Right click on image and left click on View image to see it full size.

*cough*

*In a small attempt to bring the conversation off people's trousers, or lack there of, before the thread gets locked*

When I first saw that image I thought of the second, but I don't remember seeing the symbol in DAO, and the only thing that I can think of the top of my head would be the Old Gods, but I'm guessing this symbol means something different, don't suppose the preview stated where Varric was at the time?? (I would check but my German doesn't really go that far)

[In Exile]

Nohvarr wrote...

Normal is defined by the rules of the universe you'e playing in.

Your tune was that it was normal for her. If you want to talk about DA social norms, I'm pretty sure those norms involve wearing pants.

So why is it a problem for a mature woman capable of making her own decisions to wear what she wants in Dragon Age 2?

...

Isabella looks ridiculous with no pans =! mature woman should not make her own decisions.

[In Exile]

Chaia wrote...
*In a small attempt to bring the conversation off people's trousers, or lack there of, before the thread gets locked*

When I first saw that image I thought of the second, but I don't remember seeing the symbol in DAO, and the only thing that I can think of the top of my head would be the Old Gods, but I'm guessing this symbol means something different, don't suppose the preview stated where Varric was at the time?? (I would check but my German doesn't really go that far)

I thought that was the Kirkwall symbol?